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Let's not get to far ahead of ourselves with the speculation. We only have tidbits to go on and part of that interview was misinterpreted, as clarified by Rob at Prodos and quoted a few pages back.

I will be very surprised if we do not see the Kickstarter by the end of this week.

 BDJV wrote:
Let's not get to far ahead of ourselves with the speculation. We only have tidbits to go on and part of that interview was misinterpreted, as clarified by Rob at Prodos and quoted a few pages back.

I will be very surprised if we do not see the Kickstarter by the end of this week.

Of course. I was just saying that there is a valid reason to KS the special edition while there's a general release as well.

Let it be clear, again, that as far as we know the KS is for a special edition while there will be a regular edition release.

 Forar wrote:
At 28mm scale, both would be... pretty big.

My Aliens Technical Manual seems to be MIA (moving twice in the last 9 months will do that), but a little google and some quick napkin math indicate the Dropship would be around 16 inches long.

I'm not terribly familiar with Warhammer, but a cursory googling indicates that this would be comparable to some pretty hefty models. It's only an assumption, but based on the novels, movies and comics I've read, it feels more like a skirmish level game rather than one of larger warfare, which generally means a smaller combat area.

Basically, I could see some form of outline 'terrain' piece for the APC, but the dropship would... a hell of a thing.

Put it in the centre of the table, throw down some barricades and fuel cans, boom, marines have to guard the ramps until lift off

Releasing a crappy version for retail and a cheaper cooler version with more exclusives at the same time for kickstarter doesn't sound good either. Both retail and kickstarter will lose that way. And both costomers will end disappointed.

It is damn time that Prodos gives some explicit info that he promised us for yesterday.

I'm not sure why they haven't, they've given us sweet FA to go on when it takes all of two minutes to post. It's good that they are demonstrating an inability to communicate at this early stage. How is the Warzone KS progressing for backers? Smoothly? Not so much?

i'm sure theres good reason on intermittent press releases - it builds anticipation and suspense when it goes on KS - only 48 hours to go

Is there any official word on this launching this week? I'm out of Mars Attacks if it does (well I'll keep $20 in for the Dreadball team.

badgermeister wrote:
i'm sure theres good reason on intermittent press releases - it builds anticipation and suspense when it goes on KS - only 48 hours to go

I dunno, it's debatable. Personally I was having fun at first, and then the info dried up and my fun went soft. Intermittent press releases are OK but there should be some meat to them and they shouldn't be ambiguous/open to interpretation/clearly wrong (delete to taste)

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Oh by the way, I noticed something about the Predator picture - there's Predator symbols running below it. Now at first I thought this was just decorative (like the Xenomorph blood on the Alien pictures), but then I remembered the "Hunt the Predator" promotion that was being run at Comic-Con this year. I tracked down that decoder but found that there were different symbols. However, there is another Predator font which the Prodos guys are definitely using, which translates the message to "COMING SOON ON KICKSTARTER". Of course, this isn't new info, but this little revelation could give us new insight in the future...

Nicely done, Andilus!!

Sorry if it has already been mentioned here but Produs have said that significant changes are going to happen to the pred-alien figure as the licence holders do not like it (I have only seen good feedback regarding the model on forums).

As in Fox?

Perhaps they want to move away from the train wrecks that were the AVP films, specifically Requiem. I don't mind the Predalien look, but there were some amazing concept sketches done for that film that were missed out on.

Wasn't the Predalien in AVP:R some kind of Queen hybrid? As it could lay eggs directly into a host? (really stupid idea)

This is probably my favourite concept that sadly went unused. I think it blends the Alien and Predator subtly, giving dominance to the Alien aesthetic like the previous films.

 Manchu wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Nothing wrong if they run late with it. As the rest of Kalamadeas post says, it makes the game better.

I have to disagree there. Being late does not make a project better as far as I can tell.

Being late makes it... late. It also indicates that the project creators don't know what they're doing.

Kickstarter creators and backers alike have been embracing this whole "better late than bad" which seems like a false dichotomy. Ideally, creators would pick a reasonable delivery target date and then, like, double it. Account for delays in advance and become heroes for delivering 'early'.

Instead, the active meme seems to all but reward unrealistic delivery dates. Why bother picking something sensible with contingency time in place when you can just tell backers "oh, totes 6 months" and if it goes to 9+, 'ooops', you've already got their money and nobody really reads comment walls past the project's completion.

Don't get me wrong, the KS community's understanding is admirable, to a degree, but the touting of delays as signs of excellence seems rather backwards to me.

There's a difference between 'one particular sculpt came back badly, had to redo it, retool, sorry it took a couple of extra weeks' and 'whelp, did we say 7 months? We meant 9. Maybe 10-11+. We'll see.

Warboss knows who I'm talking about.

 Forar wrote:
Kickstarter creators and backers alike have been embracing this whole "better late than bad" which seems like a false dichotomy. Ideally, creators would pick a reasonable delivery target date and then, like, double it. Account for delays in advance and become heroes for delivering 'early'.

Instead, the active meme seems to all but reward unrealistic delivery dates. Why bother picking something sensible with contingency time in place when you can just tell backers "oh, totes 6 months" and if it goes to 9+, 'ooops', you've already got their money and nobody really reads comment walls past the project's completion.

Don't get me wrong, the KS community's understanding is admirable, to a degree, but the touting of delays as signs of excellence seems rather backwards to me.

There's a difference between 'one particular sculpt came back badly, had to redo it, retool, sorry it took a couple of extra weeks' and 'whelp, did we say 7 months? We meant 9. Maybe 10-11+. We'll see.

Warboss knows who I'm talking about.

You're absolutely right that this is the way things should go. I think why it doesn't speaks volumes about the fact that many KS creators, especially first time out, are a little wet behind the ears, business wise, either conducting business for themselves at all, or on the scale that KS can generate.

It is human nature to be enthusiastic, optimistic (perhaps overly) and honest about something you're passionate about. The creators try and give their backers the best possible scenario, when a more pragmatic approach would be to be a little more cynical and manage your backers' expectations a little more.

I wonder if one were to look into the history of the creators of high profile KSs if there would be any correlation between those started by people with experience running their own company, and those that don't, and the success/failure of those to deliver comms and product in an effective manner.

Of course, this theory doesn't allow for shenanigans or flat out incompetence, but you can't really legislate for that!

For true start up companies who don't have experience in contracting out casting and printing of big projects, I can see underestimating production times.

For bigger companies who have been through more than one rodeo, failure to properly manage the project and deliver the promised product close to the promised date is not a good thing.

Something minor I noticed. Prodos Games has changed it's profile picture on Kickstarter to AvP, looks like they are gearing up for KS.

Aeneades wrote:
Sorry if it has already been mentioned here but Produs have said that significant changes are going to happen to the pred-alien figure as the licence holders do not like it (I have only seen good feedback regarding the model on forums).

Anybody got anything on this?

 Medium of Death wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
Sorry if it has already been mentioned here but Produs have said that significant changes are going to happen to the pred-alien figure as the licence holders do not like it (I have only seen good feedback regarding the model on forums).

Anybody got anything on this?

Can't link to it at the moment but a developer posted about it on the lead adventures forum
(AvP thread).

 Duce wrote:

 Forar wrote:
At 28mm scale, both would be... pretty big.

My Aliens Technical Manual seems to be MIA (moving twice in the last 9 months will do that), but a little google and some quick napkin math indicate the Dropship would be around 16 inches long.

I'm not terribly familiar with Warhammer, but a cursory googling indicates that this would be comparable to some pretty hefty models. It's only an assumption, but based on the novels, movies and comics I've read, it feels more like a skirmish level game rather than one of larger warfare, which generally means a smaller combat area.

Basically, I could see some form of outline 'terrain' piece for the APC, but the dropship would... a hell of a thing.

Put it in the centre of the table, throw down some barricades and fuel cans, boom, marines have to guard the ramps until lift off

Oh God.... I'll give them $500 right now to make that above image/scenario happen!

Another comment on the alien-predator :

this model should NOT have been on display at the con and was a mistake.

All companies have to balance an apparently long delivery window

......Oh no, I have to wait how long ?, and KS projects often have delays...... I'm out, I'll wait for retail)

and shorter delivery windows

......Almost certain to be missed with the potential for pledger rage and the game dropping dead as backers have passed through enthusiasm to indifference

Prodos gave themselves far to short a window last time (2 months) and are now up to 7 months with a lot still to deliver so to be realistic and safe they'd probably need to say 9-12 months for this

Is it not a possibility that the boxed game will be releasing in December and some of the additional models will be the Kickstarter?

Reading the thread is always a great idea:

 Manchu wrote:
From what we have surmised more recently, it looks like that was half-right: a "standard" version of the game will come through traditional channels while another will available through KS. At least, that's where things apparently stand today; we'll have to see.

As for whether the "standard" edition will be released in December ... who knows. I would guess not.

Following on from the earlier discussion this is the first real preorder kickstarter I have seen -

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tedalspach/1-night-onlyone-night-ultimate-werewolf-in-time-fo

Only lasts 3 days. Buy now and you can collect from the 20th. Games are ready and just waiting do be shipped.

 Kroothawk wrote:


It is damn time that Prodos gives some explicit info that he promised us for yesterday.

Who knows why there's been a delay?

Sometimes things come up. More often with big, licensed properties too, I'd bet!

I mean, just look at how bad RH is at communicating on their completed Kickstarter - multiple times their promised update 'deadlines' have come and gone...

I'll be more concerned once this thing actually starts and then finishes if the 'no communication' thing is happening.

In my eyes they can't do any worse than Raging Heroes, not unless they're really trying.

So, I haven't heard much about Prodos- the minis look promising, but how have their rules been so far?

17 hours to extraction...

ETA 8.11.2013?

3 days away but CMON.... ouch, i think im out tbh.