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 RiTides wrote:
This part is really interesting:

If successful this KS project will allows Prodos Games Ltd to produce the AvP The Hunt Begins Board Game (which will be produced in standard plastic 1 piece format for late 2014 release) in a bespoked and limited (to KS) fashion specifically for the model connoisseur and collector alike. We will utilize our Procast model making technique to make the high quality and detail multipose and official 28mm polyurethane miniatures of these seminal icons of screen and prose. As well as the cutting edge miniatures, the KS Exclusive AvP The Hunt Begins Gamers Collection Edition will be packaged in a deluxe KS-only box and include exclusive tokens and cards. If we unlock the stretched goals, the KS project will also allow us to make faction specific themed objective markers as well as a Hardback version of the AvP Wargame Rulebook and speed up our production plans (by over 18 months) meaning we can produce miniatures of, for example, the Predalien, Alien Warriors and even potentially, cyborgs and colonial civilians, well ahead of schedule. In North and South America the KS Pledges will be distributed by CMON.

Colored the really interesting part.

So, retail release might be one piece plastic models, but Kickstarter release is for multi-part, higher quality models? Seems a little odd that those multi-part models wouldn't be made available again later after all the work put into making them, but this is a little vague so they've got room to offer them again. But, the retail release of the game would seem to have simpler models.

I bet they will be available as box sets, just won't be included in the base game itself for retail.

 Azazelx wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Ugh, why the 10 pound shipping outside the UK if they're using CMON for North American distribution?

That's what? $12? $15? To send a package inside the US. It would be a hell of a lot more if they had to send it from the UK...

I just spent a little over $12 for a medium flat rate box to go from my local post office to an APO address (Postal service gets box to New York, DoD gets it to the recipient in the war zone).

Box was smaller than this one will be.

Just because no-one has posted these yet, and they look great! Certainly in the context of how detailed they look, the price doesn't seem unreasonable.

 CptJake wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Ugh, why the 10 pound shipping outside the UK if they're using CMON for North American distribution?

Maybe shipping a big box in USA is not for free?

Still have to get everything to the US, and pay CMON for their part. In a way it makes sense. Why should everyone else subsidize CMON'c cut? This way, only folks CMON sends to really pay for that service.
It does suck, but I get it.

Exactly! And, well, it's not just CMON's cut - it's covering shipping to and within the US. And from the perspective of someone who pays shipping on KS as a matter of course, it's fething dirt cheap.


No EBs, so I went in on a "Game Over, Man" level, which I may or may nor keep until the campaign concludes, as it seems more than a little light on models at this point for the price.

Can anyone explain what polyurethane miniatures will be like? are there examples of figures made from this material on the market?

RiTides, thanks for pointing that out. If they do any sort of gorgeous plastic board for anything resembling a reasonable price, they'll have all my monies.

 Forlorn wrote:
Can anyone explain what polyurethane miniatures will be like? are there examples of figures made from this material on the market?

'Resin'

So interesting price point, more expensive than GW but less than Kingdom Death at least, not even my inner fan boy is getting me to buy at these prices.

maybe there will be enough additional stuff added to give some value but to much of an unknown quantity at the moment.

..In for the £75 for the time being..

I'm guessing this will work in a similar way to many other KS's, where the 'free' reward you get can be spent on the additional miniatures that are available?

Does anyone know what prodos D20 wargaming system is like? Is it decent or is it crap? I have never played a wargame based on a d20 system. Im not interested for the board game, i want this on the tabletop

 Azazelx wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Ugh, why the 10 pound shipping outside the UK if they're using CMON for North American distribution?

That's what? $12? $15? To send a package inside the US. It would be a hell of a lot more if they had to send it from the UK...

It would indeed, but that's why they're using CMON.

It's also $16 at the moment, and I'm not sure why there's like 10 of you who jumped on this comment- so let me spell it out for you.

On Warzone, they charged 12 pounds for shipping directly from the UK. On this campaign, they are charging 10 pounds for shipping within the US. That is a clear discrepancy- backers are saving less than 17% on the shipping cost from the last campaign (i.e. international shipping) despite the domestic shipping that CMON provides.

I have backed several UK campaigns, and just paid 13 pounds on one to ship a Very large box (warboards) to the US from the UK. So, I don't know where all these comments are coming from, but that shipping cost is too high for having CMON do it within the US, imo.

If you disagree, that's fine, but please don't speak to me as if I don't back UK / international projects and gladly pay shipping costs on them (I do). Not that you were, Azazel, but more to Kroothawk and the like. They're reducing shipping costs by less than 17% despite shipping them over in a container and then distributing... not sure why they're bothering to do that if the cost savings was so small.

I just shipped PDC's US rewards (as they are UK based) and the cost savings in actual shipping costs was very high by their shipping everything to one location, and then having me ship it all within the US.

OMFG.

My wallet is scared, now.

Maybe I missed this part .. but for my Payback Time pledge, I get the game + £60 (~$100) of Add-ons + Free "ᗩɴʏᴛɪᴍᴇ" reward (~$200).

what's the anytime reward? Does it mean I get $300 worth of add-ons? Or, I get $100 worth of the current add-ons, and $200 worth of stretch goal stuff?

SeanDrake wrote:
So interesting price point, more expensive than GW but less than Kingdom Death at least, not even my inner fan boy is getting me to buy at these prices.

maybe there will be enough additional stuff added to give some value but to much of an unknown quantity at the moment.

The KD box contains a lot more stuff to cover that $25 diff. A lot.

Unconvinced thusfar. :-/. Kinda sad about that too.

I don't know what their rules are like but going from the KS descriptions they want you to be able to play larger games. I read that as expanding it beyond the board game on to the tabletop, as the boardgame is like the "intro". Might be wishful thinking though.

And Mars Attacks has just had another surge of pull outs.

Ouch.

not to be contradictary, but the pullouts happened before it went live. actually, it's barely moved since avp went live.

Very expensive minis, $5 per colonial marine and $13 for each predator... think I might pass on this one. Certainly no rush to pledge since there's no EB's.

$8 for 3 d20s with a funny face? Ouch. The add-on prices for the aliens/marines/predators seem kind of high, and while the actual models are reasonably pretty, just don't think I'll be backing this one...

Maybe if the gameplay is good, I'll check back later and see how that's come along.

 Pacific wrote:
..In for the £75 for the time being..
I'm guessing this will work in a similar way to many other KS's, where the 'free' reward you get can be spent on the additional miniatures that are available?

Saw before your edit - that was pretty unfair - I was mostly talking about how the shipping was quite reasonable for those in the US and explaining why - and I was also far from the first person to notice that the box is light on models. In fact I was about a page late on that particular "bitch".

 namiel wrote:
Does anyone know what prodos D20 wargaming system is like? Is it decent or is it crap? I have never played a wargame based on a d20 system. Im not interested for the board game, i want this on the tabletop

The dice used aren't going to be of deciding influence on the type of game, really. What's more important is that it's an alternate model activation system, so taking turns activating models (in similar, larger scale games this would be units) until every model(/unit) has been activated. Malifaux would be the best-selling (though, not sure now with M2E ) example of this. Generally, it doesn't scale up to more models(/units) per side very well, but it gives a very involved, fluid skirmish feel. IMO it really pulls you in, and it's the most "real" feeling way to handle this kind of skirmish; either for fantasy, or for modern/scifi with lots of sneaking/moving through corridors. (For completeness: anything involving more or less pitched modern/sci-fi battles is better off with an Infinity or from what I gather of it, SST-like system).

Really though, if you thoroughly dislike it I'm sure all of us will adapt space hulk rules for use with this in a jiffy, and that's known to be a great game

 Medium of Death wrote:
I don't know what their rules are like but going from the KS descriptions they want you to be able to play larger games. I read that as expanding it beyond the board game on to the tabletop, as the boardgame is like the "intro". Might be wishful thinking though.

Thats exactly what they said. There will be 2 rulesets one for the board game and another for the tabletop. Both based on a d20 system which i have no idea about because i have never used a d20 for a tabletop and curious to see how that will work.

 cincydooley wrote:
Yah. 13 models for 120 USD isn't tickling my wiener.

Box has 23 models...

T

 RiTides wrote:
They're reducing shipping costs by less than 17% despite shipping them over in a container and then distributing... not sure why they're bothering to do that if the cost savings *TO THE CONSUMER* was so small.

It saves them money and hassle but that savings isn't being passed along with this preorder. You're getting (right now at least) less minis by far than Space Hulk for a 30%+ premium extra charge once you factor in shipping. At that price and that value, I'll simply consider getting it at retail if the manufacturer is cutting out most middlemen but not passing on the savings to the consumer or just play something else using my existing AVP minis and space hulk tiles.

 namiel wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I don't know what their rules are like but going from the KS descriptions they want you to be able to play larger games. I read that as expanding it beyond the board game on to the tabletop, as the boardgame is like the "intro". Might be wishful thinking though.

Thats exactly what they said. There will be 2 rulesets one for the board game and another for the tabletop. Both based on a d20 system which i have no idea about because i have never used a d20 for a tabletop and curious to see how that will work.

Excellent!

Just for the record:
There will be a boardgame, which in retail version might have plastic miniatures. But there will also be the tabletop game, which needs extra boxes of Aliens, Predators and Colonial Marines. So these will be urethan as well, like now the miniatures in the kickstarter box.

BTW, the Alien corridors look good. Still keeping my Battle Systems pledge though.

timd wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Yah. 13 models for 120 USD isn't tickling my wiener.

Box has 23 models...

That's current count ... without any stretch goals of the upcoming 20 days.

BTW here the kicktraq website:
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/513277403/alien-vs-predator-the-miniatures-game/
with this auto-updating summary graph:

 RiTides wrote:
On Warzone, they charged 12 pounds for shipping directly from the UK. On this campaign, they are charging 10 pounds for shipping within the US. That is a clear discrepancy- backers are saving less than 17% on the shipping cost from the last campaign (i.e. international shipping) despite the domestic shipping that CMON provides.

This is an excellent point. It makes me more curious about CMoN's involvement.

 Bolognesus wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Does anyone know what prodos D20 wargaming system is like? Is it decent or is it crap? I have never played a wargame based on a d20 system. Im not interested for the board game, i want this on the tabletop

The dice used aren't going to be of deciding influence on the type of game, really. What's more important is that it's an alternate model activation system, so taking turns activating models (in similar, larger scale games this would be units) until every model(/unit) has been activated. Malifaux would be the best-selling (though, not sure now with M2E ) example of this. Generally, it doesn't scale up to more models(/units) per side very well, but it gives a very involved, fluid skirmish feel. IMO it really pulls you in, and it's the most "real" feeling way to handle this kind of skirmish; either for fantasy, or for modern/scifi with lots of sneaking/moving through corridors. (For completeness: anything involving more or less pitched modern/sci-fi battles is better off with an Infinity or from what I gather of it, SST-like system).

Really though, if you thoroughly dislike it I'm sure all of us will adapt space hulk rules for use with this in a jiffy, and that's known to be a great game

I honestly dont care what dice it uses. Dice are cheap but I just dont want to get a core set of rules that are garbage. I may be pledging just for some minatures but if this could turn into a game i could enjoy playing then i may invest much more

 RiTides wrote:

It would indeed, but that's why they're using CMON.

It's also $16 at the moment, and I'm not sure why there's like 10 of you who jumped on this comment- so let me spell it out for you.

On Warzone, they charged 12 pounds for shipping directly from the UK. On this campaign, they are charging 10 pounds for shipping within the US. That is a clear discrepancy- backers are saving less than 17% on the shipping cost from the last campaign (i.e. international shipping) despite the domestic shipping that CMON provides.

I have backed several UK campaigns, and just paid 13 pounds on one to ship a Very large box (warboards) to the US from the UK. So, I don't know where all these comments are coming from, but that shipping cost is too high for having CMON do it within the US, imo.

If you disagree, that's fine, but please don't speak to me as if I don't back UK / international projects and gladly pay shipping costs on them (I do). Not that you were, Azazel, but more to Kroothawk and the like. They're reducing shipping costs by less than 17% despite shipping them over in a container and then distributing... not sure why they're bothering to do that if the cost savings was so small.

I just shipped PDC's US rewards (as they are UK based) and the cost savings in actual shipping costs was very high by their shipping everything to one location, and then having me ship it all within the US.

I'd imagine that it's likely or at least very possible that they lost some money on US shipping from the previous campaign. I buy a lot of stuff from eBay and postage from the UK can vary wildly depending on the weight. It's possible that they "planned" their WZ shipping rates without taking into account added weight from stretch goals, etc. Here they appear to be going for a more conservative estimate, probably based on a more "fixed weight" sample of the boxed set. Also worth noting is that both USPS and RM have had price increases since the last campaign, and well, I'm sure CMON isn't doing their part out of the goodness of their hearts...

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
OMFG.

My wallet is scared, now.

Spoiler:

Anyone do the math on how much tablespace this takes up?

Items shipped from the UK--->US are at risk from customs charges, as are items coming the other way.

By using CMON they are circumventing the risk of US backers getting smacked with a tens of percent customs bill on top of their pledge cost without lying to a government agency.