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2014/03/26 20:41:47
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Plus they picked one figure that's leaning forwards giving the effect of foreshortening and one bracing and leaning back, exposing more of themselves for the picture.
Not the best two marine models to have side by side with the camera so high
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CptJake wrote: Except they've been asked about, and have yet to even reply let alone take the very easy steps to get a better picture.
That indicates not giving a gak. Said more politely, they've prioritized so low that they are not fixing it. Polite way or non-polite, it really boils down to the same thing.
They've also claimed to be working 13 hour days, seven days a week. Whilst the smart thing to do would be hire some minimum wage guy to manage the KS page a few days a week and take the occasional picture of the figures, that hasn't happened and I really can't get too worked up about the lack of contact from them if they really are working that hard.
Again though, I'm speaking as someone who has closed my pledge and given them my money, for better or worse.
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2014/03/27 10:25:03
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Working hard does not equate to working smart. And I say that as someone waiting to close out their pledge hoping to see pictures of all the products before I decide what to buy.
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2014/03/28 19:32:43
Subject: Re:Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Just got this in my email. Wall o' text incoming. Cleaned it up so it's easier to read by bolding and underlining certain text.
Edit: woops forgot to put it as a spoiler.
Spoiler:
Kickstarter update #48
Hi guys, as we promised in the last update, we can reveal some of the rules for both the AvP Boardgame and the Wargame. Some of these things are still being finalised and may be removed from the final print of the rules. Prepare yourself for a wall of text, we are still waiting for approval on more of the imagery, which we will show you next week with some information about Salute 2014!
We have experience from designing the Warzone Resurrection game rules and there will be some similarities between the two games which we will discuss today and many of the game’s fans will recognise. These include the ‘circular imbalance’ and also the force organisation charts which are used to aid the creation of a force of miniatures.
The factions for Alien versus Predator in both the wargame and boardgame are limited to 3, they are the Aliens, the Predators and the Colonial Marines (or Humans or Weyland-Yutani). Miniatures from different factions cannot be joined together, for example a squad of Predator Young Bloods cannot team up with a squad of Colonial Marines, but there will be exceptions depending on the scenario. For example, in the ‘At all costs’ mission from the Boardgame, Predators and Colonial Marines have to form an alliance to kill all of the Aliens that they can on the Theseus Freight Ship. There may also be characters released in the future which allow you to change the restrictions of the factions and the Offensive Force Organisation chart, which I will discuss now.
To design your force, the Offensive Force Organisation chart must be used, for the Wargame, it looks like this.
Boxes not marked as ‘Compulsory’ are optional and may be taken as long as the ‘Compulsory’ Squad is taken.
TROOP - Compulsory (Boardgame and Wargame)
TROOP – Compulsory (Wargame only)
TROOP
TROOP
SUPPORT
SUPPORT
SUPPORT
SUPPORT
MONSTER /VEHICLE
MONSTER/VEHICLE
MONSTER/VEHICLE
N/A
Within certain armies, certain needs must be met. For example, the Aliens must be led by a model with the ‘Primary Xenomorph’ Special Skill. This includes Alien Royal Guards and Alien Queens, but may include others in the future too. Another example would be the Colonial Marines, which at the moment must be led by either a Colonial Marines Sergeant (an upgrade to a Troop Choice) or Major Dutch Schaefer and Linn Kurosawa. Predators are slightly different. Due to their tribal nature, they do not need to have leaders, but having one often presents an advantage which will affect the whole army. At the moment, the only example is a Predator Berserker, who can choose to take Predator Dogs as Troops, rather than their usual Support option, but affects the other Predators in its army due to leading them with an iron fist, rather than in the usual, honourable, Yautja manner.
Here is how all of the current forces look:
Aliens:
Troop: -Alien Warriors (5-10 Miniatures per Squad)
-Alien Lurkers (5-10 Miniatures per Squad)
-Infant Aliens (5-10 Miniatures per Squad)
Support: -Royal Guard (1-3 Miniatures per Squad ‘Primary Xenomorph’ Special Skill)
-Facehuggers (5-15 Miniatures per Squad)
-Alien Eggs (3-8 Miniatures per Squad)
-Predalien (1-3 Miniatures per Squad ‘Primary Xenomorph’ Special Skill)
Monster/Vehicle: -Alien Queen (1 Miniature per Squad ‘Primary Xenomorph’ Special Skill)
Predators:
Troop: -Youngbloods (1-3 Miniatures per Squad ‘Independent’ Special Skill)
-Predator Warrior (1-3 Miniature per Squad ‘Independent’ Special Skill)
-Predator Hunter (1-3 Miniature per Squad ‘Independent’ Special Skill)
Support: -Predator Dogs (2-6 Miniatures per Squad)
-Predator Berserker (1 Miniature per Squad ‘Tribal Leader’ Special Skill)
Support: -Sentry Guns (2-4 Miniatures)
-Major Dutch Schaefer and Linn Kurosawa (2 Miniatures ‘Commanding Officer’ Special Skill)
-Colonial Marines Sergeant (1 Miniature upgrade for 1 Colonial Marines Squad, but takes up 1 Support Slot, ‘Commanding Officer’ Special Skill)
Monster/Vehicle: -Power Loader (1 Miniature)
For the Boardgame, things are a little simpler. The Force Organisation remains the same, but you do not need to take leaders under any circumstance. They simply offer you certain advantages and special abilities whilst they are in play. For example, a Queen might be able to lay eggs on the battlefield, whilst she is unwounded and has not moved since being deployed. Once she moves or receives a wound, she gets angered and will go on a rampage, attacking any threat as soon as it comes nearby. There are also missions for the boardgame which require the use of certain model types, which break the Organisation chart.
Inside your copy of ‘Alien vs Predator: The Hunt Begins’, you will receive Standard Missions to use the miniatures within the box, but also some Expanded Missions to use other miniatures in the line. Among those extra missions there is a scenario called ‘Big Game Hunt’ where the Colonial Marines and/or Aliens players must take 1 Monster/Vehicle for every Troop Choice. However, they may also choose to take nothing but Monster/Vehicle Choices, whilst the Predators must continue using the standard Offensive Organisation chart.
Earlier, I mentioned ‘Circular Imbalance’, this is a phrase we used throughout the production of Warzone Resurrection to discuss our approach to games. Quite simply, it means that although most of the squads are balanced, they have special skills and abilities that simply cannot be balanced. Everything in the game has something special that only they, or perhaps a very small ‘pool’ of miniatures, can do. This means that players are constantly looking for the perfect combination, but no skill is too powerful. We have already seen this in Warzone Resurrection, where a player will find what they believe to be a completely devastating combination, only to find players are working out how to beat it within a few days or weeks. It’s an interesting approach to games design, but one which always brings players back to a point where they can look at the game with fresh eyes.
The more we expand the system, the more intricate it will become, with a huge variety of options available to you, the player and our valued fan. This is furthered by a levelling ability which we have taken from the realm of Roleplaying games. A completely optional function, certain models can enter the battlefield trained to a certain level. For example, a squad of completely green level 1 Colonial Marines will be pretty poor at well, everything! But they will not cost you many points. This means you can fill your force with cheap Pulse Rifle fire and overwhelm your foes with gunfire. Conversely, you could take a squad of fully tooled up veteran Marines, led by a sergeant, who have a little more survivability and can be relied on to hit their target every time, but you will need to sink a lot more points into them! The Predators are very focused on this system; every single one has options of level 1 to level 5, with each level offering a variety of special skills. Throughout the game, your Yautja will gain experience for their skills, much like the Predator Youngbloods do in the Alien vs Predator film, trophy hunting and making split second decisions that mean life or death suddenly become a little bit easier on them through experience in the field of battle!
So there you have it! We have been busy little bees, finalising the rules and background for both games and we will be revealing more and more as time goes on. This update should help you make some decisions for your armies and though we haven’t been able to reveal any points costs just yet, filling that Organisation chart should not be too hard for you!
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2014/03/28 20:22:43
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
CptJake wrote: Working hard does not equate to working smart. And I say that as someone waiting to close out their pledge hoping to see pictures of all the products before I decide what to buy.
Cpt Jake, it really makes me wonder why have you backed this project? You have been soooo negative, from the very beginning and I've not seen even one good comment regarding this KS or the game. You must have send a lot of time here just to slag it off, why? What's your agenda? It's kinda boring now, you know?
Is this is your 1st KS if I may ask? ALL of KS I've backed, during the Pledge manager close down, they only had have models in RENDER form: examples:
- MANTIC and their KS! check last update on Deadzone!
- CMON KSs - ALL of them, even some models in "drawing"/"concept" stages.
- and the latest one Metal Beards - Tabletop Dwarf Army - only renders.
Looks like you just want to find a reason to complain... I would suggest to ask them for refund and just forget about this product.
2014/03/28 20:35:08
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
I'm hoping the models will be in easy reach. I'm taking a decent camera, if anyone wants specific pics/angles of things, please let me know and I will try and get them.
CptJake wrote: Really a lot of nothing except the rudimentary force design stuff. Still no real details on the board game rules...
I agree. Not much else in the way of rules. But I'm really glad the Berserker pred changes the way the faction works. Not only can you take hounds as troops but the predators change how they work due to the Berserker's lack of honor.
2014/03/29 00:34:39
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Sean Robinson about 8 hours ago just wondering where the Female Predator fits in their chart?
Chris Baginski about 7 hours ago Is having 4+ players within the scope of the boardgame rules?
I'm envisioning a 5 player game - USCM squad dispatched to investigate a derelict spaceship, where they have to face a Hive of Xenos. A Hunt of 3 Predators also shows up, but is followed by a competing Berserker Predator (possibly with a couple hounds). And to complicate matters, a squad of W-Y commandos shows up... with their own agenda, straight from Corporate Head office.
Is this possible? Or am I limited to 3 players?
Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 7 hours ago Hi Sean! The female predator fits in with the Troop slot! By Lurker, I meant Stalker... Chris, you can increase the amount of players quite easily.
nick_simmerson about 7 hours ago will any of this be on show at Salute... or just WZR stuff??
Schuyler Kreitz about 7 hours ago @Prodos Since I'm running out of possible contact methods without hearing a reply I'll try here. What is the deal with the custom heads from the game over level with adding on in the pledge calculator? When is stuff going to be needed for them?
Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 7 hours ago nick_simmerson: More details regarding this in next week's update. It depends on what, if anything, get's approved by then so it might be a very finely cut thing.
Schuyler Kreitz: If you have selected that pledge level, we will contact you when the time is right to do so.
Big Fat Fred about 5 hours ago @prodos - I am still undecided if I should get the W-Y squad. How will they be used in-game? Are they just a substitute for a USCM squad? Are they in any of the scenarios? Will they have different abilities/weapons to the USCMs? Cheers.
Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 5 hours ago
@Big Fat Fred - they have the same weaponry but different skills set. They can be deployed using "Infiltrator" rules (anywhere on the board but no within LOS (line of sight) and not within 12" of enemy models (Wargaming) + as they can set up bobby traps (enemy ending its activation with 5" (wargaming) or on the nominated Tile must roll a dice on a roll 1-10 (for wargaming model takes a wound effect) for Board game - refer to a Explosive table.
Jason Fowler about 5 hours ago We need points values in order to get an idea of our purchasing needs. Many of us here plan on making more than one viable faction. I would like to have an approximation of the points values so I can have equal forces, in order to run demo games at the local gaming store.
Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 4 hours ago @Jason , we should be in position to share them soon.
General Comments
Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 6 hours ago thanks for feedback, please read our KS updates, once we have the final approval on the models we can take close ups. It's not an excuse, for action like this FOX could take the license away from us and close our business,and we won't take this risk just to make someone happy. We have tons materials to share, Board game corridors, new rooms some surprises, lots of arts and new Box Cover art... but please bear in mind no approval, no materials to show. Thanks
Chaos Shadow about 6 hours ago @prodos are females Troops? and why the equal models with humans & aliens?
Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 6 hours ago @ Chaos Shadow,The female predator fits in with the Troop slot. Well, due to game play (I go you go,... I activate a squad and you activate a squad). It's easer to play with up to 10 man squads.
Chaos Shadow about 6 hours ago @prodos fair enough, i assume they are pointed quite differently. Also one final thing. have you set it out as people can take say a Warrior, a hunter & a female in the same squad? or would that ALWAYS be 3 individual squads?
Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 6 hours ago @chaos Shadow, they can be combined into one squad.
jim_giraffe about 6 hours ago @prodos , in fairness there have been 48 updates including todays
you missed my point totally.
The miniatures that you have approval for... where are the pictures ? hi res - both assembled and on the sprues.
Something in a photogallery , thats easy to navigate... a section of each faction with subfolders for each unit
I uderstand you cannot show pics of the minis that have not been approved but in my opinion you are leaving it very late in the game to show us what we will be getting. I know my opinion is exactly that and means bollox all to you , but , i feel there may be more people like me , in the same boat , waiting for all these pictures you have been promising us from day 1
with the pledge manager close date looming , when should we expect to see all this content you speak of ? will it be the 11th hour / last minute job ?
meh!
Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 6 hours ago Jim, well, once we have more time on hand, we'll make it happen, on a side note, on the Salute we'll have a stand with full range of models. If you around please say hello to us!
Darren Andrews about 3 hours ago @Prodos, can you clarify if you have to use dutch and Linn kurosawa as a pair or can they be used as individuals?
Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 3 hours ago @ Darren, as individuals.
Jorel Levenson about 2 hours ago What are the Hunters? I'm not seeing those anywhere. I see Pred Warriors, Females, Berzerkers, Young Bloods, but I don't recall seeing anything titled Hunter.
Creator Prodos Games Ltd about 2 hours ago @Jorel,Hunter is a Predator with a different skill sets than the Warrior. (Specialised in Traps and Ranged Combat)
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I reckon so. Not sure who the characters are but take it that they are from a computer game version? They aren't going on my Pledge, but good to see the progress none the less
Ruglud wrote: I reckon so. Not sure who the characters are but take it that they are from a computer game version? They aren't going on my Pledge, but good to see the progress none the less
Yes I think so, aren't they from the Capcom side-scrolling arcade game from the 90's?
Wish they had made a version of Linn Kurosawa from the AvP comic, am still sad about that :(
I can still see it but it seems to be messing up the thread a bit every time I use first new post it keeps returning to the post with the image and not the new post
2014/03/31 15:55:34
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Praetorian and Warriors are looking fantastic. The detailing on the Queens head looks nice too, although I really hope there are some "thorns" to glue onto the back of her crown, it just looks wrong as rounded as it is in that pic.
@Pacific:
You're thinking of Machiko Noguchi, Linn Kurosawa is the one from the arcade game, and is pictured above.
2014/04/02 01:57:06
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Was Machiko also the character from the books? I read a few of them a while back and remember a female character with an oriental name, but it has been a few years.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2014/04/02 02:02:53
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Ktulhut wrote: Praetorian and Warriors are looking fantastic. The detailing on the Queens head looks nice too, although I really hope there are some "thorns" to glue onto the back of her crown, it just looks wrong as rounded as it is in that pic.
@Pacific:
You're thinking of Machiko Noguchi, Linn Kurosawa is the one from the arcade game, and is pictured above.
Ah yes, that's the one I was thinking of.
Yes in the books also. Think the comic books came out before the book, although not 100% on that?
Just had a look at the Salute line-up. Prodos games have their game display listed as 'Warzone', so perhaps no AvP on show there? :(
Ktulhut wrote: 99% sure it was Dark Horse who came up with the whole thing as a cross-over comic.
Yep, they had rights to both, someone decided it was a good idea. I quite enjoyed the original miniseries, though the setup has kind of gotten out of control now.