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 CptJake wrote:
Some if us very much pledged for the Board Game because we wanted a cool AvP board game.

Of course when folks like me expressed concern about the rules we did hear 'Cool Minis!!!!!' as the typical reply.

This is exactly why I didn't pledge. The more I learn about the game the more it seems that they won't be releasing a good board game and the more it seems like they are releasing a hobby wargame that can be played on a board.

As I've said before, an accessible board game with these two licenses could have drawn in a lot more backers. As it is currently being released, I don't see it having a significant or lasting store presence beyond online retailers.

And as they have already said that the game will be sent out first it seems that it will hold everything up .even for those pledges without the game in them .

 CURNOW wrote:
And as they have already said that the game will be sent out first it seems that it will hold everything up .even for those pledges without the game in them .

That's because the packaging for all those models they've had laying around for months still needs to be approved, so they can't send them until that's done.

God knows how long it will be before we get absolutely everything we're owed.

They had an Alien vs Predator CCG back around '99. You could play one of the 3 factions (Predators, xenomorphs or Space Marines obviously).
It wasnt to bad of a game, but ya know the shelf life of a new CCG. If it isnt spectacular, or you don't get the kiddies playing it, its not on the shelves long.

With the birth of the Xeno in the movie 'Prometheus'...there could be ALL KIND of possibilities.

This is one I'm gonna keep an eye on, for sure!

I keep seeing Wave 2 comments, as I understood it, Prodos was shipping everything in 1 wave, hence the delays?

chaos0xomega wrote:
I keep seeing Wave 2 comments, as I understood it, Prodos was shipping everything in 1 wave, hence the delays?

More recent comments by Prodos have indicated they are now likely to be sending the boxed game before, and separate to, any other content.

The delays have been due to Prodos only just figuring out the rulebook and Fox not being happy with the fiction and having to approve every last detail of the project.

 Alex C wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I keep seeing Wave 2 comments, as I understood it, Prodos was shipping everything in 1 wave, hence the delays?

More recent comments by Prodos have indicated they are now likely to be sending the boxed game before, and separate to, any other content.

The delays have been due to Prodos only just figuring out the rulebook and Fox not being happy with the fiction and having to approve every last detail of the project.

So is the boxed game going to have the minis that are meant to come with it in then or do they literally mean just the boxed game gubbins? lol

I believe it will have the core game minis.

If not, the gakstorm may break the interwebs...

 Alex C wrote:
I believe it will have the core game minis.

If not, the gakstorm may break the interwebs...

If the internet survived Ben Affleck being named the next Batman, I think it'll do just fine with potentially 2,000 angry AVP fans.

But I believe us KS backers get resin gme pieces not ABS plastic, Yes?

 Rick_1138 wrote:
But I believe us KS backers get resin gme pieces not ABS plastic, Yes?

Absolutely. The KS Exclusive boxsets contain models made using Prodos' procast method from resin rather than hard plastic.

biggusdoggus wrote:

 Rick_1138 wrote:
But I believe us KS backers get resin gme pieces not ABS plastic, Yes?

Absolutely. The KS Exclusive boxsets contain models made using Prodos' procast method from resin rather than hard plastic.

To be fair, ALL of the initial run will very likely be the procast method resin, not just the KS ones, Prodos went back on 'exclusive' quite a while back.

 CptJake wrote:

biggusdoggus wrote:

 Rick_1138 wrote:
But I believe us KS backers get resin gme pieces not ABS plastic, Yes?

Absolutely. The KS Exclusive boxsets contain models made using Prodos' procast method from resin rather than hard plastic.

To be fair, ALL of the initial run will very likely be the procast method resin, not just the KS ones, Prodos went back on 'exclusive' quite a while back.

Indeed - the initial manufacturing run appears to have needed 5000 units and they sold about half that via kickstarter. Then they opened up sales on their website (with each buyer gaining access to the pledge manager and therefore KS 'exclusive' deals. Last I heard, somebody mentioned that there were about 900 units left when they closed the online store. How acurate that figure is I don't know, but for sure there's going to be a lot of resin sets floating about that have not yet been sold. Expect to see them at cons and expos for a while yet.

And so, two weeks into the New Year and no update.

Do we get one soon?

Will it have any substance?

God damnedest cpt a saw a post and got all excited!! Lol

 CURNOW wrote:
God damnedest cpt a saw a post and got all excited!! Lol

On a more serious note, I recall Prodos saying they hoped for an update before the holiday period, but then couldn't get it approved in time. Now, a couple weeks later I was hoping to see one.

Of course

Hope is not a method.

I've even looked at their official forums every few days. A lot of:

Prodos is super awesome!

Prodos is the BEST!

If you complain about Prodos you're a poopy head!

We should all be happy Prodos is so great!

Prodos has a sweet ass! wait wut

I'd argue we've not really had an update worthy of the name - ie one that contained anything a) factual and b) that we didn't already know and c) that moved things on, since the beta rules were released at the beginning of November. Essentially Prodos have gone into minimal communication mode since then,

I have no confidence in this project any more, absolutely none. Sure, people will say "It's going to happen, the models exist" and I say - so what? It's been 2 months since we've seen any progression, and those models have been gathering dust for 6 months or more. For all we know Fox have all but pulled the plug, and Prodos are still deep in discussion with them desperately trying to rescue their project.

It concerns me that the directors of Prodos set up a new gaming company (Cerebrum Games) in August. While there may be perfectly valid reasons for doing so, it may well be another legitimate venture, it's also often the first step in liquidating a business to start a new one under another name (a process known as creating a phoenix company in the UK). At the very least it means they are spreading their time thinly (Prodos recently took on a new venture to create models for another gaming company as well), and at the worst it could be indicative of the imminent failure of Prodos as a business. Before people cry "but they are doing OK with Warzone) - that will be a flash in the pan if they are indeed in project saving talks with Fox, and Fox ultimately do pull the plug (assuming they haven't already done so).

It's the combination of these issues that concerns me. The near radio silence, the lack of anything to say when they do say something, the silence from Fox, the IP dispute that remains unresolved (a dispute that allegedly hasn't happened despite Kickstarter insisting otherwise), the refusal to give refunds, the attempt to silence anything critical of them or the process, the new company .... it all adds up to a very bad small.

Prodos isn;t working very hard to put any of these concerns right at this time. Until they do, I will remain highly sceptical.

I've copied this directly from a Guardians of Eden Q&A with Mark Rapson from the Moonshriek blog on 2014-12-30. Some interesting points regarding AVP.

http://moonshriek.blogg.se/2014/december/guardians-of-eden-qa-with-mark-rapson.html

"Q. Will it be a KS and if so when can we expect it?

A.To answer this I should probably give you some background to the story of Guardians of Eden and Forge World Games and our link with Prodos Games Ltd (the company behind Warzone Resurrection and the soon to be released Alien vs. Predator board game): Approximately 12 years ago, I was staying in yet another hotel room, (as a result of my job of a travelling salesman), when I had a spark of an idea about this boy who did something extraordinary as a result of a near miss that should have killed him. This extraordinary experience brought international media attention, which in turn brought the boy, Joshua Jenkins, to the focus of two powerful and opposing groups (who too are extraordinary). Over the years, and as I had time to think about it, these factions and the world they lived in solidified, the back story and reasons for their extraordinary nature became clear, loose ends were tied up and I came to care for the characters. To the point, that approximately 2 years ago, I had written a large chunk of the story. Then this chap came to see me, a friend that I had met through my local gaming club. He asked me to help him realise his dream, a dream that I soon shared. He (Jarek), I and our 3rd co-owner of Prodos Games, worked our socks off to make that dream a reality. Warzone Resurrection was launched via Kick Starter in early 2013, since then it is going from strength to strength. Then Prodos launched Alien vs. Predator, The Hunt Begins, which is in the very final stages of production. But in all this time, Josh and the Guardians, have always niggled at my brain. Now Prodos Games has a team looking after Warzone Resurrection and another working on AvP, to the point we have 20 or so employees across Europe and the Americas working away. My co-directors are, themselves, fully employed and doing a great job at the helm, and now it’s time for my dream (with the full blessings of my fellow co-owners of Prodos Games).... In the last couple of months, I have collated a perfect team of rules writers, facilitators, artists, comic book artists, photographers and novelists etc. to make Guardians become a reality. Each of these people, are shareholders in Word Forge Games, but this project has little investment financially. Kickstarter, to me, is the perfect conduit for making a game like GoE a reality, so to answer the question (after a very long preamble – sorry! ), yes Word Forge Games will use Kickstarter to kick start GoE and it will be likely Q2 2015."

what are the interesting points about AvP in that, as it just reads like how they started and AvP happened to be going on too?

Earlier there was speculation about Prodos being in difficulty. This was a senior spokesperson from Prodos giving some information (~2weeks old) saying that AVP had its own team which were in the final stages and that that he was starting a new project. My use of the word "Interesting" is subjective. There was a lot of waffle but I didn't want to copy something out of context. I was interested to hear anything about AVP since I don't hear much through kickstarter updates but I hear a lot of speculation. I thought the interview was noteworthy.

Another KS to add to my 2015 list then.

No way in feth I'll be backing it though, now matter how well they dress it up.

I've lost all interest in AvP now, thoroughly bored with the whole sorry saga. If we get it, we get it...

I'm at the point of thinking that IF I get my pledge it will probably be best to find it's way onto eBay minus the Predator miniatures, especially if the upcoming Terminator: Genysis game ends up looking like a good bet - hell, at this rate that one will be in the shops before we see AvP

How many weeks has the "just a few days till we get permission to post a real update" been going on?

From the Prodos forums today/this evening:

Things are moving forward behind the scenes, but I have no officially approved update to give you. We are moving forward and hope to get the KS pledges shipping very soon.

Jim
Prodos Games

So, we should get our stuff Very Soon!



http://forum.prodosgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1884&sid=3886144faed768f9057582c80ddf6638

Great!

I'll probably be too busy playing Half-Life 3 to get around to building the models right away though.

This is me in anticipation:

I can't unsee that the kid has an integral mantic base.

 Alex C wrote:
I can't unsee that the kid has an integral mantic base.

And Mantic stubby legs

 CptJake wrote:
From the Prodos forums today/this evening:

Things are moving forward behind the scenes, but I have no officially approved update to give you. We are moving forward and hope to get the KS pledges shipping very soon.

Jim
Prodos Games

So, we should get our stuff Very Soon!



http://forum.prodosgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1884&sid=3886144faed768f9057582c80ddf6638

Whoopdy fething do..

God I wish Prodos weren't hamstrung by these silly fething "Fox Approved" updates. Really annoying.

Is that the same soon™ Blizzard uses?