Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**JohnHwangDD**

I wouldn't count the HQ25th chickens just yet. I will be shocked if HQ25 makes retail in the US, and am leaning more toward backing Conan for that type of game.

I do hope that the AvP and Dust backers get their stuff.

**Pacific**

I think in the UK/EU at least, free trade agreements will mean that KS backers in the EU at least will receive HQ. I'm not sure about the US/Canada, I don't know how much credence to put into that guy from the RPG game of the same name saying that they will be stopped at customs.

Although it's a fantastic looking product, some of the sculpts are lovely, it will be a shame if less people can get their hands on it because of lawyer-wars.

I think there is a lot being posted on various Spanish hobby show blogs and FB pages about the game, but like AvP the communications have been quite poor. And I think that's the toughest thing about all of this. I don't think most people would mind the delay as long as they knew "We are here, this is what we have made, this is what we are working on now, and what we are doing next week" and with a regular update, released at the same time, each week.

**PomWallaby**

I saw Prodos at a con today. Plenty of Warzone on display looking great. But I think I finally get the AVP situation.

I believe as much as Prodos would like to tell us about AVP they can't. It seems self damaging not to do so but if they upset Fox everybody will miss out.

I saw painted AVP miniatures in person last year, they're great. I saw some new Warzone miniatures today, they're great to.

I don't know the inside story however I suspect Fox has clamped down on Prodos. I can understand Fox's reasons doing this since Prodos were publicly naming Fox for the delays. AVP seems to be in lockdown. In some ways this could be a good thing. I wouldn't have put it past Fox to cancel something.

Shame the project went this way, I just hope it gets wrapped up quickly so that everybody can put the experience behind them.

**gunslingerpro**

PomWallaby wrote:
I saw Prodos at a con today. Plenty of Warzone on display looking great. But I think I finally get the AVP situation.

I believe as much as Prodos would like to tell us about AVP they can't. It seems self damaging not to do so but if they upset Fox everybody will miss out.

I saw painted AVP miniatures in person last year, they're great. I saw some new Warzone miniatures today, they're great to.

I don't know the inside story however I suspect Fox has clamped down on Prodos. I can understand Fox's reasons doing this since Prodos were publicly naming Fox for the delays. AVP seems to be in lockdown. In some ways this could be a good thing. I wouldn't have put it past Fox to cancel something.

Shame the project went this way, I just hope it gets wrapped up quickly so that everybody can put the experience behind them.

Anytime you combine a conglomerate with a creative team, inevitably there will be friction. Considering the way major companies keep strangleholds on their IP, I'm sure we're not seeing anything abnormal.

In terms of Warzone, I got all my stuff (at it is lovely!), but it did take a bit of time longer than expected (some folks may be waiting still due to issues with the Icarus fighter cast).

**H.B.M.C.**

All I ordered were the fething tiles... grr...

**Pacific**

Insert your own *playing the world's smallest violin*-related meme here

**Siygess**

Alpharius wrote:
Has Prodos completed delivery for the Warzone Kickstarter?

And if so, how late did it end up being?

Not quite, I think the people who ordered a Razide diorama are still waiting for it and there are bound to be half a dozen backers still trying to figure out where their pledges are.. but we are pretty much there. It's been a long road and mistakes were made but I think it has been an important experience for Prodos that they mostly learned from. There certainly aren't any hard feelings on my part, even with the recent resculpts.

As for the DUST.. er.. dust-up, I think what happens next is going to be an interesting 'what-if'. As in "What if Prodos tried to blurt out 'the truth' after FOX told them to shut the hell up."

Time will tell if it's better for the plucky underdog to do battle with the proverbial Goliath or if it is more productive to let the big guy pull your strings.

**CptJake**

Prodos Games KS message/email wrote:Prodos Games Ltd says:
Hi there guys,
Apologies that it has been over a month now since our last message, we've had nothing really to report. However, we have been submitting and re-submitting items for the game where necessary just to get those final approvals coming through.
What I can tell you is that we have final approval on all the miniatures. We also have final approval on the Box art, which will be going to print soon.
We had to resubmit a couple of the tiles and have had to put copyright information on a few items we did not expect to.
We have submitted the full rulebook that is included in the boardgame, fully laid out, with artwork and text, which is awaiting approval. We used the Firefly boardgame as our reference point, to ensure we were getting it right. This has meant that we have had to remove a great deal of the fiction we wrote, but that will later be used as marketing material or be used for a variety of other things.
Once again, we thank you for your patience.
Prodos Games LTD

Soon!

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**Pacific**

OK, well positives to take from this
- There has been progress
- There is a communication

At this point my glass MUST be half full, couldn't bear it otherwise!

**warboss**

Didn't they say that the minis were approved months and months ago? If so, is that really progress or just restating past progress? Or do you mean them apparently cutting out a bunch of stuff to speed up approval? I agree that at least it is communication though.

**JohnHwangDD**

CptJake wrote:
Prodos Games KS message/email wrote:Prodos Games Ltd says:
Hi there guys,
Apologies that it has been over a month now since our last message, we've had nothing really to report. However, we have been submitting and re-submitting items for the game where necessary just to get those final approvals coming through.
What I can tell you is that we have final approval on all the miniatures. We also have final approval on the Box art, which will be going to print soon.
We had to resubmit a couple of the tiles and have had to put copyright information on a few items we did not expect to.
We have submitted the full rulebook that is included in the boardgame, fully laid out, with artwork and text, which is awaiting approval. We used the Firefly boardgame as our reference point, to ensure we were getting it right. This has meant that we have had to remove a great deal of the fiction we wrote, but that will later be used as marketing material or be used for a variety of other things.
Once again, we thank you for your patience.
Prodos Games LTD

VERY SOON!

Well, gak, I'm really glad we're past the "trust me" stage.

**CURNOW**

That last paragraph is interesting .i think the fluff and colour text in the book was great and fox wanting it to fit in with the latest alien novels wanted it removed or made like a pile of gak to match

**Visceral_Mass**

CURNOW wrote:
That last paragraph is interesting .i think the fluff and colour text in the book was great and fox wanting it to fit in with the latest alien novels wanted it removed or made like a pile of gak to match

What I find more interesting is that, after having to cut the fluff from the rulebook, they are still planning on using it. Hopefully they got the OK from Fox to do that, otherwise it would seem an unwise decision to use it after being asked to cut it.

**CptJake**

CURNOW wrote:
That last paragraph is interesting .i think the fluff and colour text in the book was great and fox wanting it to fit in with the latest alien novels wanted it removed or made like a pile of gak to match

The reality is, we don't really know the reason they are taking it out. It could be several things/a combination of things. The draft they sent out a while back had about 50 pages of rules in a 100+ page document. Length could have been an issue.

**Joyboozer**

How does cutting the fluff from the rulebook effect the narrative?

**Nostromodamus**

Maybe we'll have to...

Forge our own narrative?

**Joyboozer**

In the boardgame? I'm assuming it has missions/scenarios?

**biggusdoggus**

Joyboozer wrote:
In the boardgame? I'm assuming it has missions/scenarios?

indeed it does. at least the demo version we've seen does.

**Nostromodamus**

Is it soon yet?

**CptJake**

By all the congratulatory back slapping on the Prodos forum after the last update I think we'll have our stuff Very Soon!

**Ruglud**

Snippets from Facebook comments - not seen them on here - but soon may well be soon...

5 February
Asked about official Prodos studio painting guides / step-by-steps

Jarek Ever
we have tons of pained minis, we will get in touch with Fox to © them.

Rob Alderman
Not sure about the painting guides as the original painter is sadly no longer with the company.
I am sure there will be stuff whipped up by customers or by some poor employee (me, no doubt ).

I'd like to do them so that our demo team have a quick guide

Comments on (c) / (TM) marks on board elements and figures/ bases

Jarek Ever
we had a lot of going back and forth with © on the elements, we could not agree to have it on every tile... and we have it now. however small enough to make Fox happy and without destroying the game. We alos been told to have © on the miniature bases (a but late in the process, right? ) , however the plastic injection tool is now in the last stage and Ts and i should be with us soon!

Jarek Ever
anyway more info in next update, helpfully this time with some real delivery date!

Jarek Ever
based on our experience,we cant win here. if you told to bend over, the best you can ask is "how much".

Asked if the bases now had feet modelled on our were one-piece with the figure....

Jarek Ever
models are not pre-assembled , thus you may just throw them [bases] away

Jarek Ever
back of it will have ©, no panic!

Rob Alderman
It was basically either copyright on the base, or under the leg (like an action figure)...

Star Wars collectable figures have the copyright on the base, I think X-Wing is on the actual model?

Yeah, don't panic!

Rob Alderman
Best part of this, is no slots in the middle. Only bad thing is we cannot pack them with Warzone figures!

Jarek Ever
lol, I remember Rob's face when they told us we need a © on the miniature.... WHAAAT?

Jarek Ever
but that is now... no go! Goo Prodos!

Jarek Ever
I think we are very very lucky anyway, otherwise we would have more like "cheap one piece lego-style models in the game", luckily our models blown away some top lads at Fox! -confirmed by them several times!

**chaos0xomega**

Is anyone really bothered that they had to remove fluff from the books? Anyone? Anyone? No? Thats what I thought. If I want AVP fluff, I'll read the comics or watch the films or play the vidya games... oh wait, I already do all those things, thats why I'm buying the friggin game.

**Visceral_Mass**

Does anyone else see a potential problem for Prodos having a copyright on the bottom of a round piece of plastic not immediately attached to anything that needs to be copyrighted?

Fox wants their copyright on ALL elements, is it possible that Fox thinks the figures will come assembled on those bases?

**JohnHwangDD**

Hopefully, Fox is following the discussion and understands that the bases are an optional part, not related to the miniature itself.

**Nostromodamus**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Hopefully, Fox is following the discussion and understands that the bases are an optional part, not related to the miniature itself.

Hopefully this would have been made clear to them by Prodos, but nothing surprises me any more.

**Kid_Kyoto**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Hopefully, Fox is following the discussion and understands that the bases are an optional part, not related to the miniature itself.

It's all part of a master plan.

Next year Fox will claim that all 25mm bases are copyrighted by them and sue all other mini makers out of existence.

That's why GW is moving to 32mm bases.

**Rick_1138**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Hopefully, Fox is following the discussion and understands that the bases are an optional part, not related to the miniature itself.

It's all part of a master plan.

Next year Fox will claim that all 25mm bases are copyrighted by them and sue all other mini makers out of existence.

That's why GW is moving to 32mm bases.

TBF Stranger things have happened, and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

**Ruglud**

From Facebook...

Jarek Ever
According to Fox approval tracker, the revised game components has been reviewed ( approved with no changes needed) in the USA, now UK needs to give us the green light. The Box is "reviewed with changes", but this can be quick fix . In general getting excited, finally light at the end of the tunnel?

Jarek Ever
I don't think that I'll be in trouble if I share with you this pic. after all there is no sensitive information on it (not approved ), so this is just to back my words, Winston we will tomorrow after the phone call with, I hope we will get some date for you.

**Joyboozer**

I have no idea what the picture means?

**Nostromodamus**

I think this was the face that was supposed to be on that picture:

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