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 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I wonder what sort of heavy-handed social commentary the director will shovel into this movie.

If its anything like Elysium and District 9 it will be relevant and interesting.

I hope you're being sarcastic. Though I haven't seen Elysium, District 9 was a waste of my viewing time. Don't want it's director anywhere near an Alien movie, though it'd be hard to get worse than Resurrection for gakking up the series.

Elysium was pretty boring as a film.

District 9 was pretty awesome IMO. Loved the mech suit and weaponry.
Elysium was pretty meh but had some interesting tech in it.

 Stormonu wrote:

I hope you're being sarcastic. Though I haven't seen Elysium, District 9 was a waste of my viewing time. Don't want it's director anywhere near an Alien movie, though it'd be hard to get worse than Resurrection for gakking up the series.

If you think District 9 was bad (and while I don't disagree, many would), you're in for a big disappointment with Elysium - it's far far worse.

I've seen little from Blomkamp to suggest he's the right man for the job of resurrecting (no pun intended) the Alien series. He may be, but the evidence isn't there. I've seen somebody say "it'll be ok as he's a huge fan" - sadly that makes no difference if his professional craft and ability just aren't up to the task. I predict a disjointed film that looks good but has little or no plot or at least one that doesn't actually make any logical sense.

You're right - he can hardly do worse than Resurrection, but that shouldn't be his, Fox's or our benchmark.

At this point, I'm resigned to enjoying the first couple of films and the first two Predator movies on repeat views. I think the literature, the graphic novels, the odd computer game (and these miniatures hopefully!) are where to look for quality surrounding the franchise. I think as far as the big screen is concerned, other than whatever Ridley Scott does with Prometheus, I don't hold any hope for a new Aliens film or, woe betide, a new AvP film.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
District 9 was pretty awesome IMO. Loved the mech suit and weaponry.
Elysium was pretty meh but had some interesting tech in it.

Yes I feel the same way. Preferred District 9, but the bad guy in Elysium (and his cronies) was excellent, I thought made the film. It was a shame he didn't get more screen time, and as you say some of the tech ideas were excellent (also, some pretty gross ways of killing people!)

It also had a few nice touches - being interviewed by the parole droid for instance, you can imagine society in some quarters being like that in 25-30 years for sure.

biggusdoggus wrote:
I predict a disjointed film that looks good but has little or no plot or at least one that doesn't actually make any logical sense.

Blomkamp has a good eye and a penchant for spectacular design, but not much understanding of good storytelling, something that can and should be shorn up by the screenwriters and creative producers, something that neither D9, nor Elysium had.

While I wouldn't hold my breath for the next Alien, there's a non trivial chance they whole thing can actually work in ways no Aliens move past the first one did. At the very least, I expect no one will get crushed under an alien Ferris wheel.

 Pacific wrote:
At this point, I'm resigned to enjoying the first couple of films and the first two Predator movies on repeat views. I think the literature, the graphic novels, the odd computer game (and these miniatures hopefully!) are where to look for quality surrounding the franchise. I think as far as the big screen is concerned, other than whatever Ridley Scott does with Prometheus, I don't hold any hope for a new Aliens film or, woe betide, a new AvP film.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
District 9 was pretty awesome IMO. Loved the mech suit and weaponry.
Elysium was pretty meh but had some interesting tech in it.

Yes I feel the same way. Preferred District 9, but the bad guy in Elysium (and his cronies) was excellent, I thought made the film. It was a shame he didn't get more screen time, and as you say some of the tech ideas were excellent (also, some pretty gross ways of killing people!)

It also had a few nice touches - being interviewed by the parole droid for instance, you can imagine society in some quarters being like that in 25-30 years for sure.

I wouldn't exactly call the EU stuff "quality". Some of it may be entertaining, but no where near the "quality" of most of the movies. I'd rank most of it below Alien 3 in terms of quality. I'd take a new film any day over the comics, games, and novels.

Oh for feths sake, considering how hard it is to get any info on where this game is up to, is it really that hard to keep on topic?

Isn't the movie what's holding up the approvals at Fox?

I wouldn't know, this is the Blomkamp thread.

Interestingly enough, speculation on the film is the only topic with recent posts on the official Prodos Forums:

http://forum.prodosgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1875&sid=18d73a9aa89e815c035c02f9ce99eb2a&start=10

Where they mention it's off topic to discuss the game...

Joyboozer wrote:
Where they mention it's off topic to discuss the game...

I figured you would catch that.



To be fair, they do have topics to discus the game (both the status and the actual game) but those topics had not been posted to as recently.

JohnHwangDD - I think that was just supposition, wasn't there a post from Prodos recently saying that was not the case?

 Visceral_Mass wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
At this point, I'm resigned to enjoying the first couple of films and the first two Predator movies on repeat views. I think the literature, the graphic novels, the odd computer game (and these miniatures hopefully!) are where to look for quality surrounding the franchise. I think as far as the big screen is concerned, other than whatever Ridley Scott does with Prometheus, I don't hold any hope for a new Aliens film or, woe betide, a new AvP film.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
District 9 was pretty awesome IMO. Loved the mech suit and weaponry.
Elysium was pretty meh but had some interesting tech in it.

Yes I feel the same way. Preferred District 9, but the bad guy in Elysium (and his cronies) was excellent, I thought made the film. It was a shame he didn't get more screen time, and as you say some of the tech ideas were excellent (also, some pretty gross ways of killing people!)

It also had a few nice touches - being interviewed by the parole droid for instance, you can imagine society in some quarters being like that in 25-30 years for sure.

EU stuff? What is that?

I assume nothing to do with the European Union (as much as I like the idea of an AvP showdown taking place in Cornwall or something )

I wouldn't exactly call the EU stuff "quality". Some of it may be entertaining, but no where near the "quality" of most of the movies. I'd rank most of it below Alien 3 in terms of quality. I'd take a new film any day over the comics, games, and novels.

 Pacific wrote:
JohnHwangDD - I think that was just supposition, wasn't there a post from Prodos recently saying that was not the case?

Prodos says a lot of things.

EU = Expanded Universe.

In other words. anything that isn't one of the movies.

Is it soon yet?

Joyboozer wrote:
Is it soon yet?

Almost.

VERY SOON!



A slew of new topics on the official discussion forums over the weekend!

http://forum.prodosgames.com/viewforum.php?f=39&sid=832caeaaa42b4a253a087fa8ef4e0d55

Industrial grinding is kinda on-topic there though...

Listed on the Salute participation / demonstration games...

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Alien V Predator
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http://www.salute.co.uk/salute/salute-2015/

So it's gone from a 28mm game to 32mm already.

I wonder if the marines will stay at the 32mm to the top of their head (this will just fit in with my collection) mentioned in the kickstarter comments or if they are now over 35mm like some of the Warzone humans.(my dreams of some imperial blood berets in my collection has been dashed already )

(The scale thing bugs me a lot )

Even if they are at least I still get some cool aliens n preds....soonish...maybe

They were always billed as 32mm weren't they?

Maybe I'm misremembering.

 Alex C wrote:
They were always billed as 32mm weren't they?

Maybe I'm misremembering.

Was listed on kickstarter as a 28mm game (but then Warzone Resurection was originally as well).

It's 28mm, in the sense that lots of other games out there pertain to be '28mm', but actually when you measure them are closer to 30-32mm.

It's kind of the elephant in the room when it comes to miniature game scaling. I wouldn't worry about it - the miniatures will be exactly the scale you expect them to be when they say '28mm', judging from the size comparison shots they posted previously.

Too true.

And if it stays that the humans are up to 32mm tall that will be fine by me I'm just worried after what happened with Warzone.

 JoeRugby wrote:
Too true.

And if it stays that the humans are up to 32mm tall that will be fine by me I'm just worried after what happened with Warzone.

What happened? I've not heard any furore over scale issues.

biggusdoggus wrote:

 JoeRugby wrote:
Too true.

And if it stays that the humans are up to 32mm tall that will be fine by me I'm just worried after what happened with Warzone.

What happened? I've not heard any furore over scale issues.

Don't think there was furore a couple of people seemed a little miffed their old Warzone figs were out of scale but not many people seem to mind their minis being a few mm off with their other minis (I'm a freak )

The kickstarter was billed as 28mm, but after people got their stuff they noticed they were a big big (the doom trooper that was a KS exclusive is about 37mm tall if I remember correctly).

When the minis were packaged for retail Prodos had then changed the scale on the packaging to 32mm scale. I'd say their too tall to say their this scale but again Freak

biggusdoggus wrote:

 JoeRugby wrote:
Too true.

And if it stays that the humans are up to 32mm tall that will be fine by me I'm just worried after what happened with Warzone.

What happened? I've not heard any furore over scale issues.

I think if you look back about 65-70 pages or so, I'm not completely sure!

There definitely was some discussion about it though.

 JoeRugby wrote:


Don't think there was furore a couple of people seemed a little miffed their old Warzone figs were out of scale but not many people seem to mind their minis being a few mm off with their other minis (I'm a freak )

So people got upset that new figures were a different scale to the game that was released almost 20 years ago by a different company? Heaven forbid they collect GW 40k stuff - it brings me to tears to sit my old beakies next to modern day space marines.

The kickstarter was billed as 28mm, but after people got their stuff they noticed they were a big big (the doom trooper that was a KS exclusive is about 37mm tall if I remember correctly).

When the minis were packaged for retail Prodos had then changed the scale on the packaging to 32mm scale. I'd say their too tall to say their this scale but again Freak

I don't think anything Prodos has done has changed (scale wise) during the course of design and manufacture. Sure they are now saying 32mm (from the top of the head) rather than 28mm (from the eyes), but that's all. Everything I've seen both from their WZR range and their AvP range sits well with other ranges that claim one of those standards whether it be individual sculpts from hasslefree or heresy, or ranges such as infinity. People get far too caught up with exact scale which if you think about it is often ridiculous. i'm not the same height as you (probably) and we all have friends who either tower above us or are much shorter - it's a fact of life that human being vary considerably.

That said, I get that things have to "fit" - as a sedition wars backer, I'm annoyed at the drastic differences between wave 1 and wave 2 minis from that game, with some of the wave 2 sculpts coming out ridiculously small - by which I mean not so much height differences, but also insanely puny arms and legs. Some of the special editon characters look very out of place when stood next to normal troopers, and the second Barker variant is about 20% smaller in wave 2 then he was in wave 1 despite it being obvious that the same green was used for the core components. It's important for any game company to be consistent across its range.

In short all Prodos have done is change the description of the scale, nothing more.


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Alien vs Predator The Miniatures Game
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Happy Days! We have just got final approval for all aspects of the game, with the exception of the rules. The rules are in the final stages and just need to be sent to a professional proofing company. We will continue to update when we can, but it's fair to say that today is a good day. I suspect there will be some celebrating tonight in Prodos Towers!

I guess this is good news, though of course it does mean we're waiting on the rules - professional proofing of a 100+ page document, and then approval of that I assume. Could easily be another month or two, especially if the proof readers bring up issues.