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Well I'm pretty chuffed anyways- will be nice to put this AvP business to bed.

Well, that's good I suppose, but the timeframe is still very much "soon".

When they say "all aspects of the game", do they mean just the core set or EVERYTHING? We gonna be waiting another year for the rest or not?

 Alex C wrote:
Well, that's good I suppose, but the timeframe is still very much "soon".

When they say "all aspects of the game", do they mean just the core set or EVERYTHING? We gonna be waiting another year for the rest or not?

Indeed - it's very much an update that says little more than "Soon"

It's my understanding that they have concentrated entirely on the boxset in recent weeks/months, so I think it likely that's all they are referring to now. Of course in fairness much of the wave 2 stuff is already done - certainly the vast majority of the models are already cast. This does leave the wargame rules - a major undertaking I suspect.

biggusdoggus wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Well, that's good I suppose, but the timeframe is still very much "soon".

When they say "all aspects of the game", do they mean just the core set or EVERYTHING? We gonna be waiting another year for the rest or not?

Indeed - it's very much an update that says little more than "Soon"

It's my understanding that they have concentrated entirely on the boxset in recent weeks/months, so I think it likely that's all they are referring to now. Of course in fairness much of the wave 2 stuff is already done - certainly the vast majority of the models are already cast. This does leave the wargame rules - a major undertaking I suspect.

Wave 2 models being cast really is only a small portion of what Wave 2 should entail. You have the cards to use those models, the packaging for those models, any rules needed fro those models and so on.

Questions: One of the stretch goals was a set of tiles for a Predator ship, right? Is that going to be a Wave 2 item?

I'm pretty sure the Pred ship tiles were an add on.

Okay, as an add on, are they in Wave 2?

I might be thinking Shadows of Brimstone, but wasn't it wave 1 core game, wave 2 everything else?

If only there was some form of media where they could publish such information for anyone to see...

You may be right. At one point (I think) Prodos intended to ship everything at once, but I do now seem to remember Wave 1 would be just the boxed game.


Anyone have any idea if the Predator tiles will include any special rules, or are they going to be graphically different but functionally identical to the tiles in the game box?

I thought the predator ship tiles were on the flipside of the standard USCM ship tiles - ie an upgrade to what we already had? I could easily be wrong, it's not something I plan to be using much once I've learned the basics of the game.

Wave 1 is most certainly nothing other than the boxset. if it ain't in the box, it's coming in Wave 2.

You're right CptJake there are other components to wave 2, but most are either in the rulebook or an offshoot to the rulebook (cards etc). The packaging is certainly an issue, but it ought to be the same for all figures so I'd hope it's a case of solve for one, solved for all. However it's all done, we do know they all but dropped work on Wave 2 to get the boxset (and the retail set I think? out of the door.

So yes - we can expect to be waiting a while yet for wave 2.

Pretty sure they said that their would be a delay to second wave, with the KS box set sent out immediately.

biggusdoggus wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Well, that's good I suppose, but the timeframe is still very much "soon".

When they say "all aspects of the game", do they mean just the core set or EVERYTHING? We gonna be waiting another year for the rest or not?

Indeed - it's very much an update that says little more than "Soon"

It is, but at least things are moving forward. Miniature re-sculpting could have been a massive time sink, whereas you have to think 'we don't like that line of text where the facehugger attacks the kitten' would be much faster remedied. So, hearing that the miniatures have got approval I think is pretty encouraging.

I refuse to lose my positivity!

I'm surprised Fox OK'd having their copyright on the bottom of the unattached base and not on the actual miniatures.

Unless of course there was some sort of miscommunication and Fox actually thinks the components of the box will come preassembled. But, that sort of mistake would never happen, right?

Great i have nothing in wave 1 .think im gona officially give up on this one and write off the £200 as a loss

Seriously at this point, why the feth is this thing still two waves?

Wait, where is this discussion of waves coming from? I havent seen Prodos use that terminology in months, and even then, they said it was something they were merely contemplating in an effort to get approved product into our hands faster, not something they were dead set on doing.

It was buried by all the off topic movie discussion!

chaos0xomega wrote:
Wait, where is this discussion of waves coming from? I havent seen Prodos use that terminology in months, and even then, they said it was something they were merely contemplating in an effort to get approved product into our hands faster, not something they were dead set on doing.

I would point you to the relevant posts in the KS comments and updates, but that isn't possible.

If all the sculpts have been approved why are we still not allowed to see them?

I'm sure we will do at some point soon now, they only announced this about 24 hours ago.

I'm not 100% on the wave thing, I guess I should shut up!

they've repeatedly said they can't show us anything now until everything is ready to go, on pain of death, because Fox.

Here's a brief summary of the "wave thing" ....

Early in the project we are told that on no account will they ship in waves because that killed them in WZR and they can't afford to do so.

They repeated this statement throughout the kickstarter and even beyond the KS disappearing in November. They also repeatedly said they'd make a Christmas delivery of everything. Timeline (in November) was "soon".

Then shortly after things went a bit Pete Tong, they admitted they'd miss Christmas for everything and have to ship in waves so that at least we'd have something. Initially they stated they'd ship wave 2 (add-ons first as this was ready) and it would give us something to do while we waited for the board game.

Near the year end (or possibly shortly into the new year) they changed their minds and told us they needed to ship wave 1 (the box set) first and would not be starting work on getting wave 2 approved until after wave 1 was shipped.

and that's where we're at. ETA is still "soon".

We don't know what (if any) work has been done on wave 2 artwork (packaging, rulebook etc) except that we can be sure that a large number (but not necessarily all - young bloods, clears, terrain perhaps) of the pours have been done.

and now we know the box set rulebook, that ideally should have been almost the first thing that was completed - months ago - is now holding up wave 1, and still has to go to proof reading. We might be mere weeks away. It could easily be months.

I thought for sure this post, or the FB post it came from would have made this thread blow up!

http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/aliens-vs-predator-kickstarter-predator.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+GmortsChaotica+(GMorts+Chaotica)

No?

It'll blow up. Soon.

Here is the pic



Can see a few helmets on there, and of course some skull and other accessories that no Predator who knows where its at will be without!

Some of those sprue attachment points look like they will be a mess to clean up.

Glad to see progress though.

Ok, so the retail copies are making progress.

What about the stuff meant for backers?

 Pacific wrote:
Here is the pic



Can see a few helmets on there, and of course some skull and other accessories that no Predator who knows where its at will be without!

So, it's just like Robotech with things that people need to build, versus things that they can just start playing with out of the box.

They have never said it would be pre-assembled, and have always shown multi-part models, both resin and plastic.

As much as Prodos' communication has been bad, on this subject things have been quite clear all along.

Whether it's a good idea for a board game or not, well, probably not. But it is what it is.

 Alex C wrote:
They have never said it would be pre-assembled, and have always shown multi-part models, both resin and plastic.

Well, that may not be be accurate, they DID say

In late 2014 there will be a large scale produced version which will include 1 or 2 piece plastic versions of each model and will be independent of KS

So showing sprues with 10+ pieces for a Predator does kind of go against what they originally said. 1 piece figures would be pre-assembled, and even 2 pieces is a lot closer than these sprues.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140620165949/https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/alien-vs-predator-the-miniatures-game

Ah, must have missed that, fair enough!

I guess comms were shaky there too

Honestly I was really looking forward to the simplified models. As use for demo games (especially with kids) they would have stood up a lot better than the KS resins will. And I would not be (as) upset when my daughter painted them all funky.