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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Tin foil hat much? lol.

My tin foil hat got splattered with poo and I had to throw it away, or wash it or something. Now the best I can manage is an imaginary tin foil hat. Damn you Prodos!

You can't catch a break. Between Palladium's sunshine farts telling you that Robotech isn't available in your area before you get your pledge (despite looking at it on shelves) to Prodos allowing you to drive to a store they determine is local (50 miles?) to save them shipping or make you wait additional weeks/months, you can't catch a break.

Sorry Prodos but shipping to stores first and "allowing" pledgers to go pick it up themselves or waiting who know how long as punishment if they don't doesn't "kill" the retail got it first problem. If you want to inconvienence the folks who believed in you and the project the most, ship to them last after you ship to the normal distibution channels who paid a year after them . Pledgers can't stop you from doing so but don't pretend that you're making them happy by putting them in the back of the line despite getting in line first. You can pass the blame (whether through hints or flat out say it) to Fox and other parties for the delays but shipping to regular channels at the expense of backers is 100% you choice and fault if you do so.

I've only skimmed the latest posts, so I'm not sure what's going on.

From what I'm reading, the greenlight is imminent, possibly monday/tuesday, and once that happens, the packing/shipping starts, right ?

As long as the resin, KS-only versions get sent first, what's the issue ?

Nope the emails going out to backers that give the info as above may go out then. They still need approval from fox on the rules and that could take weeks .then they need to go into production and be received by prodos and then the packing can begin which could take anything from a couple weeks up to a couple months . But as they are cash short it looks like they may not be sending out pledges but drop shipping them to "local" retailers at the same time as the retail versions. Can see why people would be unhappy with this especially if they just went in for the box game .as they could of just kept their cash for 18mths and purchased it for the same amount or cheaper from a retailer.

yeah,
I'm getting bored of this... messaged them on their wall.
Feel free to like / comment on it.

https://www.facebook.com/prodosgamesltd/posts/440449206119740

So WTF is happening with AVP?
I'm hearing you will sell to retail first and you want people to collect from conventions and stores now...?
I paid you guys £238 with the expectation that you would look after me.
During the KS you indicated the project was almost complete.
10 months late and counting. and being told I will have to collect or receive it after retail?? Your attitude that none of this is avoidable leaves me cold... I'm losing faith in you guys so hard right now.
The game and models look great but it's not worth putting up with you.
Enough BS.
How long till the games ready?
How long for Wave 1?
How long for Wave 2?

Panic...

Hang on, so they are going to ship retail boxes forts (fine, they need cash, fair enough) but how will 'MY' resin KS boxed game set be differentiated, and not sold to some urchin with staff not realising that some boxes are KS resin figures, not plastic.

More to the point, if they are shipping stuff to a 'local' pick up point, being in Aberdeen and knowing that many couriers are now claiing anything north of Dundee is 'The highlands' and stuff not nortmally getting here quickly, what if its deemed Dundee is 'local' to me, as its 'not far from aberdeen'...Its a 120mile round trip.

I don't like that the KS backers is starting to mix in with the retail stuff, leads into all sorts of screw up territory and for things to get complicated quickly.

Also the rulebook not being in the initial release is a bit crap, we pledged for the AvP game, not the AvP 'board game...wargame is later.....

I have been pretty easy ozy about this KS, a 'it will arrive when it arrives' but if we then have to start going to hubs to collect stuff, what if an Aberdeen store wont stock AvP game so nearest big shopping centre with model shops is Dundee for me, that isn't a GW.

I have a pretty strong feeling I MAY get the boxed game (resin figure edition is debatable' but any pretence about getting my stretch goal and paid for resin extras I think I may just have to write off....Ace, I could have used that £120 a lot better by now.....

Now now, guys, let's not be grumpy old men, we're all supposed to be thanking Prodos that it's only 10 months late and will be available at retail sooner than backer fulfillment, didn't you know?

Poor fanbois might get upset if you're too harsh, not to mention Prodos, poor guys stuck under Fox's giant boot! They can't be held responsible for all the lies, hostile attitudes and broken promises! It's that evil corporation I tells ya! (No, not Weyland Yutani)

I am not being a grumpy old man (Well maybe a wee bit), but I have a genuine concern that I am going to have a £50 fuel bill on top of this just to get something I paid to have posted to my house.

 Rick_1138 wrote:
Hang on, so they are going to ship retail boxes forts (fine, they need cash, fair enough) but how will 'MY' resin KS boxed game set be differentiated, and not sold to some urchin with staff not realising that some boxes are KS resin figures, not plastic.

Remember, before the KS project page went away, Prodos mentioned they were making up 5000 box game sets with the resin figures, so the initial 'retail' version is the same as the Bespoke Kick Starter Version.

 CptJake wrote:

 Rick_1138 wrote:
Hang on, so they are going to ship retail boxes forts (fine, they need cash, fair enough) but how will 'MY' resin KS boxed game set be differentiated, and not sold to some urchin with staff not realising that some boxes are KS resin figures, not plastic.

Remember, before the KS project page went away, Prodos mentioned they were making up 5000 box game sets with the resin figures, so the initial 'retail' version is the same as the Bespoke Kick Starter Version.

Yep, they didn't sell enough during the KS so some retail copies will be the same as the "KS exclusive" copies.

But y'know, that's Fox's fault, so they couldn't help breaking that promise and violating the exclusivity.

Not that I care much as long as I get my stuff, but it was a big deal with some backers.

yeah,
Not me but... It's an issue for people who backed for extra sets to sell before release and offset their outlay.
Exclusive contents would have helped increase their return.

Panic...

It bothered me in that it was yet another broken promise/breach of integrity. I fething HATE being lied to.

It bothers me in that I 'may' get the resin set, as its mixed in with the plastic stuff, as you can bet that the KS exclusive sets will be marked in any way differently to the standard packaging, as we know, even the slightest change in packaging printing means a review by Fox.

I don't mind waiting, but I do mind not getting what I expect and indeed paid for....I mean I could have had TWO wraithknights for my outlay.....no wait.....

I only went in for £200 worth of marines :(

Wait, do we actually know backers risk getting plastic? All I saw was we risk getting our resin slightly after retail buyers. Still gakky, but not the WTF it now sounds like...

I'm genuinely curious as to why Prodos, who clearly has a person who reads these threads and posts new topics when they have something to sell, does not spend 5 minutes posting a nice reply to explain what is actually happening.

Probably is Fox's fault.

If for some reason you end up getting plastic, just contact them for replacement.

I doubt you will though.

I'm as pessimistic about all this as the next man, but where in God's name did this rumour about us maybe getting plastic come from? Sheesh guys, I know we've done chucked a lot of conspiracy theories around in here, but that's just blatantly making gak up.

At no point have Prodos ever said anything other than backers WILL be getting the prodos resins in their box sets. In fact there's over supply of those sets, so chances are they may be available early on in retail (although I do recall Prodos say they might give them away to charities or gaming clubs way back when the numbers issue first arose). The figures are sat in boxes in their warehouse, ready to go - we've seen the evidence.

Also there's no big issue with the plastic retail product being released at the same time as the KS exclusive product. Who cares? if we hadn't backed the product wouldn't exist (yeah - I know it doesn't yet - soon™)

I don't much care if somebody can by the plastic version in stores before mine arrives at my house. I hope any crossover in availability doesn't take months to resolve and that shipping to backers is expedited. Those retail purchasers won't be getting the KS exclusives or (likely) resins, so there's just no point in getting butt hurt about it, we'll still be better off.

In any event, I'm pretty sure it was never stated in the original project plan that KS backers would have their stuff before the game went to retail. How on earth do you think Prodos (and Fox) will make any money from this project? It's surely not from us buying in |the KS, but from ongoing retail sales. Every month this thing isn't sitting on the shelves, kills them.

KS backers often seem to have very high expectations with regards to what they'll get from KS both in the quality (rightly so) but also the quantity of freebies. That's all well and good, but we don't have any right to deny the company (that we're supposedly helping with funding) the ability to sell the product as well so they can stay afloat.

To clarify, I did not say Prodos were going to ship out stuff randomly.

What worries me is the bit about picking stuff up from a local store say.

The issue would be at the point of pick up, the staff at the store may not know which sets are which etc, its adding in another layer of the foul up principal to happen, the more steps you put in something, the more chance to go wrong.

TBH I am more just unhappy at stuff not being posted direct if that the case.

1st, Yes, backers were told they would have their stuff before the retail version was released. Of course they were also told other things that Prodos has gone back on.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140620165949/https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/alien-vs-predator-the-miniatures-game

You'll note in the first section of text that the retail version was supposed to be late 2014, and us backers (according to the expected delivery dates) were supposed to get ours in May of 2014. So to say Prodos never said backers would get theirs before retail is fething asinine. The retail version wasn't supposed to come out for months after the backer version.

2nd, the worry is that since Prodos has deemed it appropriate to ship stores retail copies AND to send backer copies to those stores fro pick up (before other backers get theirs sent out) some stores may inadvertently sell backer copies (assumedly with resin) and give actual backer's copies meant for retail (which some fear will have plastic).

I suspect these initial retail versions will have the exact same resin content as the backer copies (Prodos admitted they were going to do that at one point).

Prodos says right in the relevant post that store pickup is optional, IF they do it that way. If you're concerned about possible mixups, don't arrange for store pickup.

I see where you're coming from.

Hopefully, and let's be fair, all Prodos have said so far is that they are investigating the possibility of doing this, but hopefully shipping to your local LGS rather than direct, will be optional. Certainly I'd agree that backers should not be forced to visit their LGS to collect given that we've all paid for postage which included the "last mile".

However, I do see a potential benefit. If you work and are likely to be out when the couriers deliver, it would make perfect sense to collect from an LGS - let's face it, an LGS who (probably) stocks Prodos items is far more likely to look after your stuff than a courier who's just box shifting, who might dump it outside your door for anyone to grab, lob it over your fence (or if you're unlucky, your neighbour's fence) or at best probably return it to his base so you can collect from there anyway. So long as we have a choice whether or not to take this option, I see it as a benefit, and if by doing that, it's beneficial to Prodos, then who are we to complain?

I don't think there would be a reason for LGSs to confuse your stuff with the retail stuff they also take deliver of. I'd hope that Prodos will have labelled your pledge accordingly. The LGS is acting just like a local delivery drop off point (just as companies like Hermes now deliver to your local Co-Op or whatever).

It may turn out that it's not a workable option anyway. I';d guess it only really benefits anybody if they can do these LGS shipments with large enough numbers to significantly reduce shipping costs and time. That might be the case in the larger cities, but elsewhere, probably not such a benefit. I guess time will tell, but I can certainly understand why Prodos might be wanting to investigate the option.

I actually see it as a poor option because it there may be another confusion point. If Prodos is going to try to ship and have product get to stores via the stores' typical distribution then the distributor potentially screws up which store gets which copies.

Skipping the distributors may cause issues when they eventually want the distributors to handle the game/expansions. Skipping them also seems to force Prodos to incur a labor burden in finding/seeking out local stores that want to carry the game, and in some cases match those stores up with backers who want the game shipped to the store.

Honestly I am surprised Prodos would consider this course of action at all.

I do agree in that I think the idea is fraught with complication, and complication usually introduces more opportunity for error.

I also think it's a little late in the day for Prodos to be considering it. They would need to gather "local store" data for every backer who might want to use such an option, and contact each of those stores to ask them if they would help. To be honest, if I ran a LGS I'd think twice purely because if things went wrong, I'd then be in part responsible, and it's not a risk I'd want to handle I don't think.

I don't think it's a bad idea, but I do think it's probably an idea that won't survive close scrutiny, particularly this late in the process.

I would bet it is a face saving measure. They are probably obligated to get it to retail channels by a certain date and are throwing this option as a bone to the backers.

"We gave you the option of picking it up at your local store, you declined so it is your fault you have to wait."

Which could eventually turn into

"I know you are all waiting on your wave 2 shipments, but we have committed to keeping the retail channels full and have to get them new product first. If we can't keep the stores stocked we risk losing the franchise."

I'll point out "All is Quiet On The Martian Front" as an example of backers initially being told they would get their stuff first, and now retail outlets are selling items backers are still waiting for, and new items are being produced and put into the retail chain while, again, backers are still waiting for stuff they paid for.

Prodos is taking actions that make me think this is likely to happen here. Yes, that is speculation on my part, I freely admit it, but the indicators are showing.

 CptJake wrote:

"I know you are all waiting on your wave 2 shipments, but we have committed to keeping the retail channels full and have to get them new product first. If we can't keep the stores stocked we risk losing the franchise."

If it were to come to that, even the fan boys would turn against them.

 CptJake wrote:


I'll point out "All is Quiet On The Martian Front" as an example of backers initially being told they would get their stuff first, and now retail outlets are selling items backers are still waiting for, and new items are being produced and put into the retail chain while, again, backers are still waiting for stuff they paid for.

Prodos is taking actions that make me think this is likely to happen here. Yes, that is speculation on my part, I freely admit it, but the indicators are showing.

I wasn't aware of that but admittedly I haven't been following AQOTMF much since it closed. I've seen folks playing fully painted versions for months and my friend's brother got his stuff last summer IIRC. Is that only a partial wave that is delayed?

 warboss wrote:

 CptJake wrote:


I'll point out "All is Quiet On The Martian Front" as an example of backers initially being told they would get their stuff first, and now retail outlets are selling items backers are still waiting for, and new items are being produced and put into the retail chain while, again, backers are still waiting for stuff they paid for.

Prodos is taking actions that make me think this is likely to happen here. Yes, that is speculation on my part, I freely admit it, but the indicators are showing.

I wasn't aware of that but admittedly I haven't been following AQOTMF much since it closed. I've seen folks playing fully painted versions for months and my friend's brother got his stuff last summer IIRC. Is that only a partial wave that is delayed?

There are still folks who have not gotten Wave 2 (which started shipping Oct 17th, much later than it was supposed to: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1117201778/all-quiet-on-the-martian-front-miniature-tanks-vs/posts/1020946 ) and most of the bigger stuff will be in Wave 3 (if/when it ships) though you can already order some of it via retail. And some folks did not get stuff in Wave 1 which was supposed to be included because they ran out, BUT they sold those items via retail way before they shipped them in Wave 2 (if you were lucky enough to get Wave 2).

Yeah, those are some douche moves then akin to what Palladium and Battlefront have been pulling recently. I hope Prodos doesn't decide to follow in their footsteps.

Still no news on if its gona be waves or not . Im just gona go put on my colonial marine armour and grab my pulse rifle and watch aliens :(