Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**richred_uk**

warboss wrote:
To paraphrase the kickstarters that are behaving badly, I'm sure they'll be 98% done with the update soonTM barring a force majeure or hostile sexist punctuation. Brownie points if one person gets all the individual references.

98% - Palladium Robotech
update soon - Prodos AvP - although didn't they steal "soon" from another (computer game?) KS
force majeure - Gears and Games Battleboards
hostile sexist punctuation - was that the Ice Age Miniatures one by ADW (?) I remember there was one loony tunes KS that blamed men for everything

**biggusdoggus**

richred_uk wrote:

update soon - Prodos AvP - although didn't they steal "soon" from another (computer game?) KS

They didn't steal it - that would have required them to actually think about it, and maybe even use it with a sense of irony.

But yes, it's famously attributed to Blizzard who have often used it in respect of their World of Warcraft game. The wiki on it is good for a chuckle.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon

**Nostromodamus**

I always associate "soon" with Valve and Half Life 3.

**warboss**

Alex C wrote:
I always associate "soon" with Valve and Half Life 3.

World of Tanks uses it as well (but admittedly less famously).

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richred_uk wrote:
warboss wrote:
To paraphrase the kickstarters that are behaving badly, I'm sure they'll be 98% done with the update soonTM barring a force majeure or hostile sexist punctuation. Brownie points if one person gets all the individual references.

98% - Palladium Robotech
update soon - Prodos AvP - although didn't they steal "soon" from another (computer game?) KS
force majeure - Gears and Games Battleboards
hostile sexist punctuation - was that the Ice Age Miniatures one by ADW (?) I remember there was one loony tunes KS that blamed men for everything

Ding! We have a winner on the first post! I must have made it too easy. Also, I'm not sure I should congratulate you or console you on the chance that you're familiar with the troubled KS dakka memes because you've pledged them all.

**DaveC**

Not available for Salute - shocked

but you know soon

Prodos Games Ltd says:

Hi all, this update will be a bit different than the previous ones.

First of all, I would like to say, despite the hard work that the Prodos team have put in to this project thus far, we have, once again, have failed to deliver on our estimated time. So please accept my apology; the game will not be available at Salute.

I've decided to share with you 2 screenshots, to explain to you, in depth, where we are at with the development of this game. As you can see on the screenshots we submitted all materials quite a while ago and are still awaiting feedback. It may sound trivial, but that is the truth and most honest information that I can give you at this time, just one signature, one blessing away from having it finalised. The second screenshot is just a recap of where we are and how many line items we have had approved and how many more we needed to resubmit or correct!

Direct link to screenshot 1: http://s2.postimg.org/ral9l5dt5/screensho_1.jpg
Direct link to screenshot 2: http://s4.postimg.org/no37100b1/screensho_2.jpg

We are still very excited to release this game! It is crazy how hard the Prodos team has been working, as the CEO, I thank them with all my heart! They have been cancelling holidays, working in the office throughout Christmas and Easter (and even shifting their planned surgeries), just to make sure that if FOX respond back to us we are here, ready to react and act instantly!

I understand the anticipation, and to be honest it's the same for Prodos.
However, patience is all we have and continue to give, while we await that one lone signature.

I strongly believe that Prodos is extraordinary in the engineering work it is doing! We are leaders in 3D miniatures design, 3D printing and resin casting industry, to the level of no other. This is evident in the number of small, medium and truly large companies that are utilising our team and services. However we are not perfect... We've estimated our KS delivery time based on our previous experience with other licenses. What we did not realise is that, in this case, the “written” content is heavily prescribed; even the tiniest change in the IP may have a huge effect on the overall for this great franchise, thus, the material we have sent for approval is checked in-depth and often by multiple individuals. We have learned a lot in the last year, if we only had this experience two years ago.

The biggest question is when will the game be released? Well, it is only dependant on this one approval, but I cannot give an estimated time, it could be a day, a week or a month...we just do not know.

To recap, once again, please accept my personal apology for the ongoing delays. We will continue to provide you with every piece of information we can, when we can. Hopefully it will not take too much longer to get this final approval; you can rest assured that when it is given, all of us at Prodos will be singing from the rooftops!

We are going to be at Salute, please visit us if you are there! The team and I are more than happy to answer any questions you may have and also, we will have something very special for you to see!

Finally, there have been a lot of requests for change of delivery address. This can be done via the pledge manager; once shipping is announced you will receive an update with instructions on how to change your details.

Jarek CEO Prodos Games.

**JohnHwangDD**

The biggest question is when will the game be released? Well, it is only dependant on this one approval, but I cannot give an estimated time, it could be a day, a week or a month...we just do not know.

I am shocked that he did not say "soon".

I am not at all surprised that they aren't making Salute - it's a 2-month lead time from the approval to get anything done, assuming air freight. Add another month if by boat.

**warboss**

It may not be good news but at least it is news unlike with the kickstarter page debacle. It's still an improvement.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I fear that Prodos may well have made (another) mistake showing those two screenshots.....

big companies are not know for being happy about being made to look bad (even when it is their fault)

I hope the person who's signature is needed does not throw a fit and decide to request change(s) just 'because', or just put the request to the bottom of their big, big pile of work to do because of this

**Ruglud**

Disappointing, but not surprised by this... Glad I only paid what I could afford to lose should it have all gone belly up (I still believe that this will deliver... soon(tm) ). I'll probably give the Prodos stand a quick visit at Salute to see what the 'something very special' is all about...

**JohnHwangDD**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I fear that Prodos may well have made (another) mistake showing those two screenshots.....

big companies are not know for being happy about being made to look bad (even when it is their fault)

I hope the person who's signature is needed does not throw a fit and decide to request change(s) just 'because', or just put the request to the bottom of their big, big pile of work to do because of this

The relevant bit is that Jarek Ewerl of Prodos did not finish submitting things until April 1. They expected overnight approval by Fox?

Anyhow, I sure hope that Prodos didn't breach their NDA by posting these screenshots. I wonder if anybody at Fox Legal can tell us whether Prodos just committed yet another material breach of contract...

**Nostromodamus**

Prodos has showed those type of progress screenshots before.

Risky move, but apparently they got away with it previously.

I'd not show them at all, if I were Jarek. Thankfully I'm not

**Motograter**

At this rate there will be another movie before this game sees the light of day

**warboss**

DaveC wrote:
Not available for Salute - shocked but you know soon

Where was that update with pic links posted?

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Alex C wrote:
Prodos has showed those type of progress screenshots before.

Risky move, but apparently they got away with it previously.

I'd not show them at all, if I were Jarek. Thankfully I'm not

I guess if Fox doesn't like it, Prodos will again just permanently shut down their facebook page/website/front office or whereever the update came from.

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Now that I see both the quotes together... are you guys twins or something?

**dekinrie**

That could be one of the delaying factors with a new movie announced a lot of rejigging to make it all canon with stuff that isnt made yet

**DaveC**

Warboss it was sent out to backers by Kickstarter message as they can't use regular updates anymore with the page being down.

Alex is Alex(space)C I have no space so clearly no relation

**Joyboozer**

Yes, those submission dates, interesting...

**Stormonu**

Microsoft Sharepoint for project management?

wow, that explains a lot.

**cincydooley**

Stormonu wrote:
Microsoft Sharepoint for project management?

wow, that explains a lot.

Sharepoint works incredibly well with Microsoft Project and Outlook as a comprehensive project management suite.

**Pacific**

Ruglud wrote:
Disappointing, but not surprised by this... Glad I only paid what I could afford to lose should it have all gone belly up (I still believe that this will deliver... soon(tm) ). I'll probably give the Prodos stand a quick visit at Salute to see what the 'something very special' is all about...

Yes I'll be heading there too. Big negative thing for me now is that not having the AvP box under one arm means I will have more carrying capacity for other stuff (which will make the whole thing more expensive!)

**Stormonu**

cincydooley wrote:
Stormonu wrote:
Microsoft Sharepoint for project management?

wow, that explains a lot.

Sharepoint works incredibly well with Microsoft Project and Outlook as a comprehensive project management suite.

Then someone needs to come fix it at where I work because it's crap that makes my job take 10 times longer than it should.

**Bolognesus**

Stormonu wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Stormonu wrote:
Microsoft Sharepoint for project management?

wow, that explains a lot.

Sharepoint works incredibly well with Microsoft Project and Outlook as a comprehensive project management suite.

Then someone needs to come fix it at where I work because it's crap that makes my job take 10 times longer than it should.

Sharepoint is just a framework to adapt to a specific purpose. Take a poorly designed sharepoint site and run it on two toasters and a coffee machine retired from the break room and yes, it will mess up productivity. Doesn't have that much to do with sharepoint per se

**cincydooley**

Stormonu wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Stormonu wrote:
Microsoft Sharepoint for project management?

wow, that explains a lot.

Sharepoint works incredibly well with Microsoft Project and Outlook as a comprehensive project management suite.

Then someone needs to come fix it at where I work because it's crap that makes my job take 10 times longer than it should.

Hire me! I'll be happy to!

Like Bolognesus said, a poorly set up site is going to yield you nothing. A well constructed one can really be a time saver.

**Bolognesus**

That way, at least something will actually be produced as a result of this mess

**Balance**

Yikes... I know someone who worked on the AvP CCG and has some stories about dealing with licensing via Fox. It wasn't pretty.

Back in "the day" Bungie (makers of Halo, but this pre-dated that) used to use Soon(tm) as their generic answer. I think that pre-dated Valve...

**paulson games**

Saw this posted on facebook. Looks to be Starcraft Zerg with mention that they'd be on display at Salute. Very curious...

**Nostromodamus**

Now we know that "soon" talk was cryptic hinting at things to come!

**Sheep**

Its never been in doubt that they can make great minis, its just their ability to communicate that has been the issue, if they make a starcraft game I'll be hard pressed not to get some.

Looks like 10/15mm scale to me, maybe a competitor to Hawkwargames DZC?

**Grumpae**

That "Would you like to know more" tag line reminds me of Starship Troopers! How awesome would that be? The only good bug is a dead bug! But I do agree it does look much more like Zurg from Starcraft.

**JohnHwangDD**

I'm glad to see that Prodos isn't taking their eye off the ball, and they are doing everything in their power to bring AvP to the backers that already paid... "Soon!"

**Pacific**

I'm wondering now, unless the hand is that of an ogre or giant, that those could be about 15mm scale?

Comparing the width of the finger, and if you imagine the height of one compared to a FoW soldier for instance.

Excited as hell about this I have to say..