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 CptJake wrote:
So about 400 folks were smart enough to drop out of this?

Wish I was one of them.

Snap.

Well it's fair enough, you can just dump the minis in the bin when they arrive.

 Pacific wrote:
Well it's fair enough, you can just dump the minis in the bin when they arrive.

If by 'bin' you mean 'ebay', I fully intend to. feth Prodos and anything they touch.

I'm interested in seeing how some of these miniatures turn out, so I might hang around here to see if peeps have some of the resin ones to sell off

CptJake wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Well it's fair enough, you can just dump the minis in the bin when they arrive.

If by 'bin' you mean 'ebay', I fully intend to. feth Prodos and anything they touch.

Fenriswulf wrote:I'm interested in seeing how some of these miniatures turn out, so I might hang around here to see if peeps have some of the resin ones to sell off

CptJake.. meet Fenriswulf!

If nothing else the miniatures are absolutely stunning.

In all honest, they are the best you could have hoped for from these franchises. Only thing lacking is the Machiko miniature from the Dark Horse comics!

The guys at my local club have copies of this game and seem fond of it. They sculpts look really nice and I have seen the guys playing it several times and they seem to have had fun. At first they figured the pred was overpowered but that view seems to have changed after they started playing three player games.

I dont like the fact that people here seem to have no got their kickstarter copies yet I can walk into my FLGS and pick a copy of the shelf.

 CptJake wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Well it's fair enough, you can just dump the minis in the bin when they arrive.

If by 'bin' you mean 'ebay', I fully intend to. feth Prodos and anything they touch.

Man, I'm sorry to hear you say that. I've followed your comments here and on BGG, and as a rule; agree with your thoughts. I disagree here though. I have no love left for Prodos, they have a poor business model at best, but the Aliens, and Predators franchises have always been at the top of my list. Regardless of how I feel about the creator of the game, I still want the game. Had I not backed it on KS I would most likely not have bought it retail. So, even though this is the most fethed up ks I have ever experienced (yes I know there's worse examples out there) my desire to have some AVP action on my table top once a week or so out weighs the bs. I can't help but think, that after all the pain, to sell off the pledge now, is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I realize that you might not feel the same way as I do about the franchise, but hope that you at least get a chance to see it in front of you, before you arbitrarily sell it off.

Cheers!

 Grumpae wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Well it's fair enough, you can just dump the minis in the bin when they arrive.

If by 'bin' you mean 'ebay', I fully intend to. feth Prodos and anything they touch.

Man, I'm sorry to hear you say that. I've followed your comments here and on BGG, and as a rule; agree with your thoughts. I disagree here though. I have no love left for Prodos, they have a poor business model at best, but the Aliens, and Predators franchises have always been at the top of my list. Regardless of how I feel about the creator of the game, I still want the game. Had I not backed it on KS I would most likely not have bought it retail. So, even though this is the most fethed up ks I have ever experienced (yes I know there's worse examples out there) my desire to have some AVP action on my table top once a week or so out weighs the bs. I can't help but think, that after all the pain, to sell off the pledge now, is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I realize that you might not feel the same way as I do about the franchise, but hope that you at least get a chance to see it in front of you, before you arbitrarily sell it off.

Cheers!

I understand what you are saying, and I LOVE Aliens and Predators (heck, I have a slew of 'cloaked' preds ready to go!:





And I tried to give my 'Nids a bit of a 'Aliens' look:





And I have more than enough EM4/Copplestone 'Marines' painted up to play a game. And modern SWAT, cops and civilians for those types of scenarios.

What I was hoping for out of this was a GOOD boardgame and some better figures. I've gone through the rule PDF and frankly am not all that impressed. The fact the printed copy is different from the PDF (and the PDF is the 'updated version' which already has errors identified) does not go over well with me. feth, how long have they had to get it right and they couldn't even get the correct file to the printer (or ensure the printer used the correct version before printiong them off)? As is, I don't see Prodos being successful enough at getting the retail version out there and accepted by the board game crowd (the multi part plastics will hurt them bad, as will the complex rules) so I don't see this game taking off. A few Mega Fans of the franchise will LOVE the figures and maybe will use the 'wargame' rules if they ever get released. And I'm genuinely happy for the folks who do enjoy the boardgame and the wargame version. And the figures DO look nice. The folks who really want these figures deserve to have them.

But I have figures I can use. And rule sets I like to use them with. Heck, I even have my Space Hulk tiles to use (which look a LOT better than the cap Prodos is delivering.)

And I have personal extenuating circumstances that help drive my decision (kind of the icing on the cake). I recently moved to a much smaller house and about 98% of my gaming stuff is still packed in boxes and stored in a basement area. Adding a ton of stuff from this KS that I'm not going to use for this game is silly to me at this point. I'm not gonna sell my already painted figures (which I initially was intending to do to make room for the new, I DID sell off my AvP HorrorClix collection in anticipation of these figures). So for me, rather than support Prodos any more, even by showing off their figures or playing their game, I would rather just unburden myself from it and get it to someone who will use it/enjoy it.

Maybe that is cutting off my nose to spite my face. But over the last year I've offered the pledge to folks allegedly looking for a pledge (I always get 'Well, I can't afford the full pledge you have') and looked to get a refund (and that didn't happen). So now, it will get offered here on Dakka, on LAF, and if it does not go fast enough, on Ebay. My only real decision is should I sell off the baord game and then sell off 'wave 2' (and 3 and 4 or how ever many there ends up being) or hold on to it as it comes and try to dump it as one lot.

So yeah, feth Prodos. I don't 'need' this stuff and it won't cause me any pain to get it to someone who feels they do need it.

 CptJake wrote:
I've gone through the rule PDF and frankly am not all that impressed. The fact the printed copy is different from the PDF (and the PDF is the 'updated version' which already has errors identified) does not go over well with me. feth, how long have they had to get it right and they couldn't even get the correct file to the printer (or ensure the printer used the correct version before printiong them off)? As is, I don't see Prodos being successful enough at getting the retail version out there and accepted by the board game crowd (the multi part plastics will hurt them bad, as will the complex rules) so I don't see this game taking off. A few Mega Fans of the franchise will LOVE the figures and maybe will use the 'wargame' rules if they ever get released. And I'm genuinely happy for the folks who do enjoy the boardgame and the wargame version. And the figures DO look nice. The folks who really want these figures deserve to have them.

for what it's worth (which I know in your case is not a lot), my understanding (and I'm one of those first 50), is that with the exception of the first 50 that got delivered at UK Expo, all subsequent boxes have gone out with the newer rulebook. Granted, that's chock full of grammar and spelling errors as well, but at least the majority of backers will get the current rulebook. The 50 will then be shipped the rulebook again with wave 2. Personally I'm hoping that works in my favour because Prodos will have fixed many of the errors by then, but the reality is that they don't seem to care much about that, and their forum is so chock full of fanbois who jump on any criticism with calls for troll hangings (thus proving that they haven't the faintest idea what trolling actually is), that I don't think Prodos is listening to anybody calling to have the rulebook updated. It's a shame, and I agree, a poor rulebook, combined with overly complicated rules (for a boardgame) is going to potentially kill this game at retail. Add in 12+ part plastics, and that's it gone for sure. They may have changed their minds however on the minis - apparently even the resins were at one time 7+ parts, and they changed them at the last minute (probably causing some of the extensive delays in the process) to be 2-3 part. Maybe that's one of the reasons the plastics are also so hugely delayed - maybe they've gone away to redesign those as well. Or maybe one of the reasons they've just massively ramped up production ability of their pro-cast resins is because they'll scrap plastic altogether and stick with 2-3 part resin. I hope so, because I believe that's their only chance of a successful retail product.

I get why you don't want to offer Prodos your patronage any more. I still feel the same way about the CMoN/SmV combo that made such a mess of SW, but I would say this - the figures that Prodos have produced are amongst the best I've ever seen, and in that respect they've done the franchise proud. Just a shame they are such a poor company at almost every other aspect.

I'm not a McVey fan either. But at least his level of dishonesty never approached what we still get from Prodos. His issue was more competency (or lack there of) when it came to getting a game published. And in his favor in my particular case, he did eventually make good on a couple promises he made at his expense (I bought one of the painted sets on KS and there was an issue with the Barker weapon options).

Yeah Cap'n, I get your points. Your cloaked preds and modded 'nids are awesome! The space restriction is what it is right? To see sour grapes on your limited shelf space would just be a slap in the face. It's just a shame to me that this worked out in such a way that this gaming community has lost a great contributor! Cheers!

I haven't even assembled the minis yet - or broke out the cardboard.
Maybe next weekend, last weekend I assembled the Terminator Genesys minis, which was a little annoying at some times, but hey, as long as I don't have to break out pliers to bend parts to fit how they should be, like I was forced to do with my WH40K Warlord a few years back ...

Mh, do I support Prodos? No.
Will I buy more of their take on AvP? Depends.
I think I'll have a lot more fun converting other companies' minis for the game - like those warrior nuns Raging Heroes put out. In the novels there was a cult and I have no problem expanding the universe as I see fit for a potential fourth party (or more) that try to fight Xenos and Preds for whatever reason (or protect them).
All I need are those blank cards that where promised ... but, seeing how Prodos upholds promisses, I guess I have to break out the scanner and do it myself.

Theirs somebody on the facebook page asking members to fill in a survey on how well the kickstarter was run im guessing only the good comments will get through

 dekinrie wrote:
Theirs somebody on the facebook page asking members to fill in a survey on how well the kickstarter was run im guessing only the good comments will get through

Unbelievable! Talk about putting a kick me sign on your own back! Words escape me!

During funding, great.
Afterwards they went Challenger and for good measure took in Columbia as well and are now Titanic.
I think that sums it up.

And for ongoing horror: My heart will go on as the theme of this KS.

 dekinrie wrote:
Theirs somebody on the facebook page asking members to fill in a survey on how well the kickstarter was run im guessing only the good comments will get through

there is? where?? I'm on both their product pages (boardgame and wargame) and their company page, and I don't see any survey.

this is the link to the survey its not official just somebody doing it for there thesis

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3NS69GS

I'd love to see the results.
But then again, you can bet if it looked anything negative, the fanboys would do a praise over and over again just to make it look good.

I took it.

That will cancel out one fan boy response.

I just want a proper Aliens vs Predator boardgame, not some simplified wargame played on a board.

As I said earlier, there were a lot of missed opportunities with this KS and how the license was handled.

I'm glad I didn't back the project and feel sorry for those of you who feel burned by Prodos.

roughly how big is the box (dimension/weight)? my gf is going to be at gencon, so i may have her pick up my pledge for me, except that I pledged for 2 copies, so I dont want to burden her with 50 lbs of crap.

I imagine it'll weigh a good bit with all the card stock in there.

Prodos site says its 4.3KG which is 9.4lbs

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I imagine it'll weigh a good bit with all the card stock in there.

Prodos site says its 4.3KG which is 9.4lbs

I can't confirm that, but it sure is heavy, and the box is also big - 530x320x60.

When I picked mine up at Expo, I was lucky enough to have somewhere I could stash it for the day. I sure wouldn't have wanted to lug it around, and two of them? Yeah good luck chaos0xomega, you're not going to be popular.

One is tiresome to carry around a full day, let alone two of them.
IF possible, let her get there, reserve them (maybe check contents? But who want's to go through all that during a con?), collect short before closing.
Or take them to a hotel or whatever, car trunk.

Well, shes staying at the convention center, so it would just be a matter of taking the 10 minutes to carry them to her room. The bigger concern is whether she can fit them in the van that she took with 11 other people.

In that case, sending it off by post would be the most (probably) damageless solution ... I guess.

Another thought that hit me.
That whole reopening the PM BS would have made sense, if
a) they actually had something new to show, like the terrain.
or
b) really were short to ship out the extras.
Everything else is just, well, stalling tactics.

This is them just fething with you guys.

I picked mine up today. Lemme know if you have any questions.

 cincydooley wrote:
I picked mine up today. Lemme know if you have any questions.

Yeah, when do I get my stuff?

Seriously though, what's the quality like on the cards and tiles?