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I don't even want to think about the possibility that they won't be able to ship the extras. I pledged just shy of 1100 GBP (approx. 2000 CAD) for this and if all I get are three copies of the board game... Yeah, I know its my fault for going in so heavy on this, long time fan of the franchise and lost my mind for sure. Especially in hindsight. I would never, ever go this crazy on another ks project. Lesson learned I guess.

Ushtug wrote:

It is my perseption that Prodos during 2014 were promoting at a lot of shows, but appear to have withdrawn from the circuit during 2015, not wanting any face-to-face contact with KS backers

Your perception is wrong. They were at GenCon this weekend.

 cincydooley wrote:

Ushtug wrote:

It is my perseption that Prodos during 2014 were promoting at a lot of shows, but appear to have withdrawn from the circuit during 2015, not wanting any face-to-face contact with KS backers

Your perception is wrong. They were at GenCon this weekend.

they've also been at UK Expo and Salute, two of the biggest UK shows this year, and maybe others.

Yup, also Crusade in Penarth nr. Cardiff. They weren't promoting AVP at the time, just Warzone. In fairness I got the impression that they were fully aware of problems, just not in a position that they could do any more to help.

PomWallaby wrote:
In fairness I got the impression that they were fully aware of problems, just not in a position that they could do any more to help.

Honestly,this is the impression I've gotten, too. Both from the FB posts and interactions from their employees and from my direct interactions with them at GC.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
The fact backers don't have their games yet, but stores & ebay stores are already selling them to Q Public!

There will always be ebay sales before all backers get product. Considering a good portion of US people picked up pledges at GenCon, I can see many of them selling them. Some got their copies from retail first, then selling their pledge they picked up. Others just tired of waiting will be selling their box as well. This isn't entirely new as I've seen this with many KS, people who get pledges first starting to sell them.

 CptJake wrote:
Until we see retail prices both on the Prodos webstore and what discounters charge, your 'more value for the money' is really more of an assumption than a fact.

Possibly. But it was an assumption I found appealing. It arrived well packaged, very quickly from my initial investment in it. It also arrived in a single piece without any fiddly assembly. I'm so impressed I'm tempted to go for the very reasonable Wilful Ignorance add on. That should keep me going into the new year.

 Moses Bad wrote:
Yeah, if you read in their comments, you know I'm one of those unfortunate chumps to receive someone else's order .

Oh, to be a person who got 10 sets with all the add ons by mistake. Just for a few minutes before closing the box back up. >sigh< Hope it gets sorted out for you really quickly Moses.

 Grumpae wrote:
I don't even want to think about the possibility that they won't be able to ship the extras. I pledged just shy of 1100 GBP (approx. 2000 CAD) for this and if all I get are three copies of the board game... .

Is there a post where I can see what you'd get for that at a glance? Wow. I do understand the appeal for the minis and this particular franchise. I can see your way of saying "I just hope..to get all my stuff." has a bit more resonance than mine with that sort of outlay. Although I'd feel like an idiot for putting more money in only a week or so ago, after seeing all these issues.

Some even sell stuff, they haven't yet - like one Robotech Tactics sale I've seen on ebay, where one was selling his pledge for a ridicolous price ... and their wave 2 is nowhere to be seen as well.
It happens, will always, as long as people are willing to buy.

Is there a post where I can see what you'd get for that at a glance? Wow. I do understand the appeal for the minis and this particular franchise. I can see your way of saying "I just hope..to get all my stuff." has a bit more resonance than mine with that sort of outlay. Although I'd feel like an idiot for putting more money in only a week or so ago, after seeing all these issues.

Angry Joe has a playthrough up. NSFW language warning...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3wMgf67VWXQ

Hah! I'd expecting nothing less from Joe. Love that guy.

Ushtug wrote:

Also, the Calais dispute was just another excuse they could use, other stuff was getting through and since (I know, received items from the continent for work), just another Prodos smoke screen

To be fair I know someone who works in a company that imports/exports and has had an absolute nightmare with what's going on in Calais.

Although that's not to exonnerate Prodos at all, it's absolutely disgusting that they're sending out multiple deliveries to shops and website purchasers when they still have hundreds of people that have paid for their game ages ago still AvP-less.

A trap I will not be falling into again, for sure.

I may "only" be in for roughly 550 GBP, that's still some money.

366GBP for me.

 Moses Bad wrote:
I may "only" be in for roughly 550 GBP, that's still some money.

Holy gak dude. That's A LOT.

 Pacific wrote:

Ushtug wrote:

Also, the Calais dispute was just another excuse they could use, other stuff was getting through and since (I know, received items from the continent for work), just another Prodos smoke screen

To be fair I know someone who works in a company that imports/exports and has had an absolute nightmare with what's going on in Calais.

I can understand some disruption due the ongoing Calais issue, but it's not an insurmountable barrier. I'd have expected either Prodos or their carrier to have actioned some from of business continuity or a work around solution. Mind you, I assume that the shipment is stuck in France along with the Prodos employee responsible for communicating with the backers.

Oh no it's not a Calais's problem : I'm french (in Paris) and i can say that no french backers have received anything at this time !

It comes from Poland so it doesn't go through Calais !

I don't know if it's a new argument that Prodos is using for delaying backers deliveries but if yes, it's a new lie !

And by the way, in FRANCE, many hobby shops seems to have received the Box...

 Moses Bad wrote:
I may "only" be in for roughly 550 GBP, that's still some money.

I just wanted to say, I'm definitly not bragging, nor do I feel that because I was so foolish as to pledge so much that I somehow deserve better treatment than other backers. As far as I'm concerned any money put into this kickstarter has become high risk. If only I had known at the time, I would never have gone in this much, I guess in my head ks was more of a pre-order thing and I didn't realize the risk involved. I just hope that everyone gets their stuff, and enjoys it when they do.

Prodos is just plain fething over the backers and I'm pretty sure they're loving every moment of it.

 Alex C wrote:
Angry Joe has a playthrough up. NSFW language warning...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3wMgf67VWXQ

I've not yet sat through it all, but the first 20 minutes of this make for uncomfortable watching from the point of view of the longevity of the boardgame. Joe is very very critical of the rulebook design, the complexity of the rules themselves (which he notes appear to be wargame rules shoehorned into a boardgame), the lack of individual force reference sheets, the small size of the action tokens, and then the fact that the beautiful looking models aren't even on the frigging board at the start of the game.

His thoughts basically summed up my perception so far; beautiful minis but you'll need to fix the rules/rulebook yourself.

Hopefully the Wargame rules are presented better.

 Alex C wrote:
His thoughts basically summed up my perception so far; beautiful minis but you'll need to fix the rules/rulebook yourself.

Hopefully the Wargame rules are presented better.

Yeah the rulebook is horrible even if you forgive the poor spelling and grammar (which I can't). There's some fan made reference sheets on Facebook which helps, but it shoudln't have been necessary.

I'm told that the Wargame rules are based on WZR, and that the WZR rulebook is pretty horrible as well. I've never played so can't comment, but it doesn't bode well for AvP; The Miniatures Game.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Holy gak dude. That's A LOT.

I know, though I'm not even close to the biggest investors. But it doesn't matter if you pledged for one copy or halluva lot more - WE made this game and Prodos is mostly denying it.

chak wrote:
Oh no it's not a Calais's problem : I'm french (in Paris) and i can say that no french backers have received anything at this time !

It "could" be Jims problem, since he's british - BUT, probably just another one of those come in handy excuses by Prodos. Roughly a month ago they could've used german postal strike as an excuse and would.

 Grumpae wrote:
I just wanted to say, I'm definitly not bragging, nor do I feel that because I was so foolish as to pledge so much that I somehow deserve better treatment than other backers. As far as I'm concerned any money put into this kickstarter has become high risk. If only I had known at the time, I would never have gone in this much, I guess in my head ks was more of a pre-order thing and I didn't realize the risk involved. I just hope that everyone gets their stuff, and enjoys it when they do.

I didn't want to put you up as a bragger. You love the franchises - faceeatness I remember - and went head over heels. Can happen. Remember some guy in another KS complaining, now he's got neither minis nor food - THAT is foolish.
You deserve the same treatment as every backer which should be helluva lot better than Prodos is showing. This was a combined effort, no matter how much a single person added. This sours the whole behaviour by them, to put new customers and retail first. OK, retail may be contract mumbo jumbo by Fox, could be. But new online shop customers should be put back in line, far end. After all this "you get it first" we'd at least deserve that much.

I assembled the Predators last night. They are very nice models.

I'll take some shots with them next to various Predastore Predators this weekend.

That would be a cool side by side. Do you have any of the female ones? I've got a dozen of the clix variety from chieftain to invisible but they obviously didn't make that kind and I'm curious how they'd look next to the rest of the clan. If you have any of the clix ones, can you throw them in the pic as well?

 Alex C wrote:
Angry Joe has a playthrough up. NSFW language warning...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3wMgf67VWXQ

Thanks for the link

I think I'm going to have to find a different rule set for my AVP

 JoeRugby wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Angry Joe has a playthrough up. NSFW language warning...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3wMgf67VWXQ

Thanks for the link

I think I'm going to have to find a different rule set for my AVP

Consider adapting Age of Sigmar? It's a very simple system, and easily adapted to whatever you like.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 JoeRugby wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Angry Joe has a playthrough up. NSFW language warning...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3wMgf67VWXQ

Thanks for the link

I think I'm going to have to find a different rule set for my AVP

Consider adapting Age of Sigmar? It's a very simple system, and easily adapted to whatever you like.

No GW profits were harmed in the making of this recommendation.

If I had pledged £550 on this and still not received any goods I would be considering legal action.

What the feth is wrong with them, at the very least you would have thought they would have had the sense to placate the big spenders.

 warboss wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 JoeRugby wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Angry Joe has a playthrough up. NSFW language warning...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3wMgf67VWXQ

Thanks for the link

I think I'm going to have to find a different rule set for my AVP

Consider adapting Age of Sigmar? It's a very simple system, and easily adapted to whatever you like.

No GW profits were harmed in the making of this recommendation.

Love the fact that JohnHwang occasionally slinks in here to leave the odd turd before slinking back out