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I don't know what your opinion is, but I sorta cringe at the thought of a wave 3. They're having trouble shipping now - be it moneywise or not. Two additional waves won't change that and so I'd actually prefer, to get it all in one go ... just my opinion.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So no timetable for when Ninja Division will start shipping?

Do we know when ND receives the stuff that Prodos claims to have sent?

I can't find any info on if ND has everything yet. Probably one of those things we won't know and our game will just show up one day.

Important to note that ND is only distributing the core games. Prodos still has to send us everything else directly.

Has anyone heard from Prodos if they are allowing backers to pick up their copies at upcoming shows?

Dragon daze is in Newport in next couple of weeks and if I go that would be cool

 JoeRugby wrote:
Has anyone heard from Prodos if they are allowing backers to pick up their copies at upcoming shows?

Dragon daze is in Newport in next couple of weeks and if I go that would be cool

I was thinking exactly this. The optimist in me hopes with so many core boxes dispatched to the uk I'm now in the "vocal minority" that hasn't recieved theirs but will do "soon". The pessimist in me thinks to ask to collect from Dragondaze would mean that I could end up missing out on the limited numbers of boxes and be pushed to the back end of fulfilment.

Probably as close as I'm going to come to my pledge this year ...lol

... that picture is ten ways of sad ...

If only you could carry out street justice to get backers their rewards, lol.

I think no-one would doubt right now that there would be lots of use of the words 'perps', 'hi-ex' and some instant executions carried out. We've gone long beyond the Cubes stage at this point

Question, were people allowed to pledge $1 and then update to the full amount in the PM? If so, those should be treated as retail.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Question, were people allowed to pledge $1 and then update to the full amount in the PM? If so, those should be treated as retail.

What about people who pledged £XXX and then updated to £XXX + X in the pledge manager?
I think it's pretty clear now that if you were involved with kickstarter at all that Prodos is in no rush to fulfill provided that they can demonstrate that progress is still being made. (Obeying kickstarter rules). Prodos seem pretty switched on who needs to be fulfilled first (and last). Unfortunately kickstarter favours the creators over backers. ks makes money from projects and needs to keep creators sweet. KS is a lovely way to risk other peoples money risk free! (Provided that you can demonstrate the funds were used on the project and the money has now gone there is no obligation of rewards or refunds). Hence I won't be adding a penny to the PM whilst I consider myself to be out of pocket.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Question, were people allowed to pledge $1 and then update to the full amount in the PM? If so, those should be treated as retail.

Why should they get their stuff before everyone else?

 Alex C wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Question, were people allowed to pledge $1 and then update to the full amount in the PM? If so, those should be treated as retail.

Why should they get their stuff before everyone else?

Simple text flowchart:

Did they take your money in full long ago beyond the time limit for a refund?

Yes: Too bad, Get to the back of the line and hope you don't have to pee.

No: Congratulations. You get something special in the mail!

Definition of what’s wrong with Prodos.

My friend runs a gaming store. He can order in (and has done) copies of AVP to sell to his Customers. But like me, has yet to receive his copy from the KS.

I think the problem is less Prodos than crowdfunding.

If a company mismanages a project and finds themselves lacking funds, this will more likely "come to a head" towards the end of the project (or base game) than earlier -- especially if the money originally earmarked for shipping is now gone. At this point, the project has been delayed (because the delays *caused* the cost overruns), and the backers are unhappy, making it unlikely that the creator will ask the backers for more funds. Hence, they'll look for money from another source -- the distributors. As others have suggested, distributors no doubt have a more formal -- and enforceable -- contract than backers, so get the base game before backers. It's more efficient to ship a hundred games to one distributor than one game to each of 100 backers, so the retail stores get the product first.

In the long run, this creates ill-will with the crowdfunding community, but, if a project's been mismanaged enough, it's unlikely the creator will run another crowdfunding project, anyway.

I disagree. Anyway you look at it, this is Prodos' fault. The main problem I have seen with ks, is that they set the goals too low, and therefore can run into the problems you have desicribed. The other part is not having everything ready to go. I realize that we are funding projects that wouldn't otherwise exist, however, certain key parts should be in the bag (or box). Like the rules! This can lead to a long wait for backers while they fix typos, grammar, etc. Set realistic lead times, and have your components ready to go!

At any rate, It is all Prodos' fault. They should have done more research into Fox's approval process. They should have had the core game elements pre-approved, like the rules!, tiles, one of each mini, etc. Things don't run this poorly by accident. If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

So, I emailed Prodos on a hunch to reset the password for my PM, and reassure myself that my pledge rewards were locked in.
UNLOCKED.AGAIN!. GOD ING DAMMIT!!!

To say I am annoyed would be an understatement.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
So, I emailed Prodos on a hunch to reset the password for my PM, and reassure myself that my pledge rewards were locked in.
UNLOCKED.AGAIN!. GOD ING DAMMIT!!!

To say I am annoyed would be an understatement.

When was the last time that you locked it? How many more times are they going to do this to us? I just want my stuff and then be done with this horrible horrible ks! My patience has been tried and found wanting!

Twice before and this makes a 3rd

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Twice before and this makes a 3rd

Clearly you don't really want your stuff shipped. If you did, you would keep your damned pledge locked.

So, I just got this:

Prodos Games Ltd
Prodos Games Ltd
Sep 4 2015
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This is Rumor Control and these are the Facts for Friday September 4, 2015:

Due to issues with Prodos Games work accounts of our team members we will unfortunately be moving from Facebook to a blog on the Prodos Games site for updates in the near future. We will still attempt to share them here and we will definitely send all updates via email.

In October we will be attending Essen Spiel in Germany October 9th-11th and we are stand 2-E175, if you are attending and have not received your wave one shipment you will be able to pick it up there. Although we hope to have all the board games delivered by the time Essen Spiel comes around, we're just saying the option is there! We look forward to meeting many of you at Essen Spiel, this was a great fun show for us and AvP last year we are certain this year will be excellent as well! Rob will, as usual, be trying his hardest to speak German with you! Don't forget, we will have German copies of the game available at the show!

We have physical copies of the German and Spanish versions of AvP on hand. The French version will be a little while longer to get as the cost for the printing of these smaller runs is a lot more than we initially expected. We are still working on the pledge manager so you can switch the language in your KS box, we should have this sorted in the next week or so.

The North American copies of AvP are still on the boat in transit to Ninja Division, once they clear customs and the boxes arrive to Ninja Division they will begin shipping them quickly.

We would like to apologise to all of the backers that received shipping notifications on Aug 10th and 11th that have not received their shipment. It is standard procedure to wait 2 weeks to put in a claim from our end and, as some backers started putting in comments saying they arrived without tracking, we thought nothing of it initially. Obviously, we waited a little bit and eventually saw that there are a number of people who have still not had their KS arrive (Jean-Pierre and Sebastian, we know you guys are waiting!), so we decided that we needed to chase it up. We have since then opened a claim and chased them on the phone. On Monday, we will be going to their depot to find out what is happening exactly, hopefully picking up the stock. However, in the meantime, we will be shipping these again anyway, just to make sure it's resolved one way or another.

No video this week, but some pictures of the translated cards and book from when they hit the warehouse!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/EasyEight/TC_zpsbmm4xz8a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/EasyEight/TCB_zpsl2i8mdhu.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/EasyEight/TC%202_zpsdd0iarzn.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/EasyEight/TC%201_zpsbybgmoe7.jpg

Cheers,
Prodos Games LTD

Meh...

Yeah, I saw that and my initial thought was "So, a cash strapped company decides to offer something they did not have to (translated copies) and now whines at the cost of the small print runs. Nice. I wonder how that will effect delivery..."

They really ought to right a book on running a small business. Maybe they can run a KS project to get it published.

 CptJake wrote:
Yeah, I saw that and my initial thought was "So, a cash strapped company decides to offer something they did not have to (translated copies) and now whines at the cost of the small print runs. Nice. I wonder how that will effect delivery..."

They really ought to right a book on running a small business. Maybe they can run a KS project to get it published.

Maybe, if that book was about running a small business - into the ground! Maybe the book should be a tragic comedy?

 CptJake wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Twice before and this makes a 3rd

Clearly you don't really want your stuff shipped. If you did, you would keep your damned pledge locked.

Lol if you'd said that to me earlier I'd have bitten your head off! haha. All sorted now so I MAY actually see my rewards! In the grim, dark future of soon, there is only promises of delivery

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Twice before and this makes a 3rd

Clearly you don't really want your stuff shipped. If you did, you would keep your damned pledge locked.

Lol if you'd said that to me earlier I'd have bitten your head off! haha. All sorted now so I MAY actually see my rewards! In the grim, dark future of soon, there is only promises of delivery

Don't feel bad. My copy is probably enroute to the US on the Zebu.

I'll just leave our PM as it is until there is word, they are about to start shipping wave two - otherwise I have to lock that dreaded thing three more times ...

Just went through the pics ...
WHO translatet that?
Just on that card ... I stopped counting at the tenth spelling or comma error.

Just imagine, we offered them translation - I am working full time as a translator, wifey is a lector who can check for errors I might have made ... but no ...

So at the moment they are only shipping US wave 1, nobody else? And the U.S. Lot didn't actually ship, is that correct?

 CURNOW wrote:
Probably as close as I'm going to come to my pledge this year ...lol

Damn, man! I saw you at GeekFest and I recognised the name on your badge. I thought "I wonder if that's the same Curnow on Dakka" but I'm sure that when I checked previously, your profile didn't mention that you were from Cornwall. I thought it was just a coincidence
Yeah, I saw that copy and had much the same reaction you did. And then I saw the sticker price and abandoned any thoughts of buying a box just to have one in hand!

Last month I said I was waiting on Rum&Bones, Journey: Wrath of Kings, KD: Monster & AVP to arrive. (That's a lot of cheddar). Anyways, R&B and Journey arrived and I've had a wave 1 shipping notification from KD:M.

Find it very frustrating seeing the AVP boxes in all good FLGS. Just pack one extra in the shops order and let me pick it up there? Local con coming up which Prodos will be attending, but no mention of them having "copies that Prodos can afford to fulfill pledges with and not needing to sell at retail".

I'll take it all back if I recieve AVP this month, but "soon" is always a month away. I expect the "guy who writes dispatch labels" will take an unforeseen month long holiday next.

PomWallaby wrote:
Last month I said I was waiting on Rum&Bones, Journey: Wrath of Kings, KD: Monster & AVP to arrive. (That's a lot of cheddar). Anyways, R&B and Journey arrived and I've had a wave 1 shipping notification from KD:M.

Find it very frustrating seeing the AVP boxes in all good FLGS. Just pack one extra in the shops order and let me pick it up there? Local con coming up which Prodos will be attending, but no mention of them having "copies that Prodos can afford to fulfill pledges with and not needing to sell at retail".

I'll take it all back if I recieve AVP this month, but "soon" is always a month away. I expect the "guy who writes dispatch labels" will take an unforeseen month long holiday next.

They only have 3 people doing QC and packing at Prodos. It's nuts.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

They only have 3 people doing QC and packing at Prodos. It's nuts.

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