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2015/09/23 01:39:15
Subject: Re:Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
I also wonder if the resin terrain and the young blood predators will also befall the same fate as the predator tiles? It's odd to me these items have still not been approved at this late date.
I’m sure glad GW is going to all plastic, so the ever-rising cost of white metal won’t impact the cost of their miniatures.
2015/09/23 09:15:47
Subject: Re:Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
Forlorn wrote: I also wonder if the resin terrain and the young blood predators will also befall the same fate as the predator tiles? It's odd to me these items have still not been approved at this late date.
They could be an even bigger issue. I doubt they'll make retail, especially the terrain which is frankly crazy money, so maybe Fox have simply refused to put their stamp on them. We may never see them at all.
Trouble is of course that Prodos have taken the money for them and spent it. Maybe they need to find a way to refund, which of course leads back to those awkward cashflow issues.
2015/09/23 11:00:30
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
So glad I didn't back the KS in the end, looks like a total cluster F***.
I do really really want some alien and predator minis. I just have no interest in the game itself. (for those who have played it wants it like by the way?) I can't help but think Prodos are missing a trick by not getting boxes of these onto store shelves.
I am worried that Prodos will collapse because of this whole mess, before they get the whole range of models from the kickstarter out into the world.
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2015/09/23 11:33:34
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
chaos0xomega wrote: Currently Im wondering if I should start taking bets as to whether Palladium or Prodos will collapse first.
It'll be like two drunks staggering home the both topple at the same time, miraculously each falls so as to prop the other up. Prodos will cast the resin bits for Palladium, Palladium will assist Prodos with a shipping hub in the US.
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2015/09/23 11:53:53
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
Honestly, I hope someone from one of the companies read that and gets in touch with the other. It might actually save both of them. I, at least, wouldn't mind getting resin Robotech minis instead of plastic (if anything it would probably be an improvement).
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2015/09/23 11:58:18
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
Joyboozer wrote: Palladium will assist Prodos with a shipping hub in the US.
Did you make that up for comedy or is it based on real info? Ninja Division were tasked with shipping AvP in the US and indeed were sent boxes before GenCon, though not enough to fulfil all backer orders. We know the rest are being sent out by a "third party" but I don't recall there being any names named. Clearly Ninja have decided they want no part in this mess.
2015/09/23 12:27:50
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
I've found that stupidity is not additive but multipicative. Take the IQ, divide it by 100.. and then multiply all the collective IQ's involved. So in this case it would be 0.65*0.65=0.42 or an IQ of 42 for their collective efforts via a collaboration between the two.
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2015/09/24 00:23:33
Subject: Re:Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
Well, they still know crap about German. Panzerfaüste ... that hurts ... It's Panzerfaust in singular and Panzerfäuste in plural. But hey, as long as they sell stuff, vamp up the backer boxes to their original content again and get it shipped, they can call them whatever they like. I doubt the vamping will happen.
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2015/09/24 07:39:20
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
which version are you guys getting though Morikun? The KS one with the blast templates and 13 sheets of card including 32 corridors and the tokens and doors made with same thickness of card as everything else, or the lower quality retail one with less in the box?
2015/09/24 09:03:47
Subject: Re:Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
I have no problem at all on them working on new products or products for other companies while struggling to get our AvP out of the door, provided they haven't dropped AvP progress in favour of the other products.
I DO however have a big problem with them working on new products or products for other companies while struggling to get our AvP out of the door AND refusing to communicate with us to explain what's going on.
2015/09/24 10:48:51
Subject: Re:Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
biggusdoggus wrote: which version are you guys getting though Morikun? The KS one with the blast templates and 13 sheets of card including 32 corridors and the tokens and doors made with same thickness of card as everything else, or the lower quality retail one with less in the box?
Two guys of mine who worked on the french version received the KS box... I received many many days after the lower quality retail boxes whithout templates, less corridors etc etc etc...
And now the others french bakers receive the same lower quality retail boxes...
All that... for that. But we could ever say that we received something whereas all of you in the USA that I really don't understand why you don't get anything : what ninja division is doing ? Boxes never received... or never shipped ? What a f....g shame !!!
And now prodos is proud to show that they work for hysteric games... lead by Rob Alderman ?? Really ?? What a very bad joke indeed...
for the record I'm not in the US and I do have my (KS version) box, albeit I'm waiting on a copy of the newer rulebook and a decent pack of cards. I do however have friends who are still waiting on boxed games.
My guess with Ninja is that they've refused to send anything until they are paid (by Prodos of course) the shipping costs. If I were Ninja I'd be demanding that upfront for all 180 or so backers that they have stuff for. That's a lot of money, and we're back to Prodos cashflow (or lack of) again.
2015/09/24 11:53:33
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
If that is the case, good for Ninja Division. They should post pictures of the boxes ready to go and let folks know they will send them a soon as Prodos pays up. Place the blame where it belongs so they don't take heat that rightfully belongs to Prodos.
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2015/09/24 12:44:56
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
Which would be supremely ironic given that Prodos stated during the MAS non-payment issue that they only want to do business with customers that pay their bills...
But we don't know the facts, and may never know. I just hope ND ships soon and the 3rd party ships promptly also.
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2015/09/24 13:01:44
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
no you're right, we don't know the facts, but sure as hell Prodos isn't falling over themselves to tell us, and so far our track record of guessing what they are up to has been unnervingly accurate. In fact I take their current radio silence as evidence that we're pretty close to the mark (at least with respect to the ks backers receiving retail mess.
I don'[t see a way out of all of this for prodos, at least not one that doesn't involve them shipping backers retail units, and delaying wave 2 for a long time (since they surely don't have enough cash to pay for the manufacture of the packaging let alone actually posting it out to us), and as for wave 3, including the rulebook, well I don't know but it feels like mid next year at best if we're lucky.
2015/09/24 15:56:06
Subject: Re:Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games 21/08/15 FB Update pg 187
THIS IS RUMOUR CONTROL, HERE ARE THE FACTS – SEPTEMBER 24 2015
SEPTEMBER 24, 2015 ADMIN 1 COMMENT
This is rumour control, here are the facts – September 24 2015
Hey there folks, we want to start by apologising for the delay in getting this message to you. Let us also apologise to those of you who have received the wrong version of AvP: The Hunt Begins and would like to rectify this with one of the following options, chosen by yourselves.
1) You keep the version you have received and, upon request, we will send you a set of Predator Ship Board Game Tiles as compensation for free in your Wave 2 shipment.
2) You return the retail copy to our office in the UK and we will send you the Kickstarter version of the Board Game within 7 days of receiving the original.
We are aware of 23 isolated cases where this has occurred and we are aware of the people involved. If we do not receive a message regarding this, we will make the assumption that you do not mind and will take no action. We would urge you to contact us on michal.pawlaczyk@prodos.co.uk about resolving any issue you have had.
As for Wave 2, we will have printed tokens for the Wave 2 models in the studio in the next week or so. After that, we can begin shipping Wave 2 items out to backers. We’d also like to take this opportunity to tell you all that there will be 1 item for each faction made available for pre-order to our wholesale accounts relatively soon, with the intent of release in the middle of October.
Anyway, here are some pictures of a large batch of empty AvP boxes, plus a sneaky peek into the packing boxes for Wave 2, before they go through the die cutter.
We’d also like to remind you that we will be attending Derby World Wargames on October 3rd and 4th. We are doing everything we can to get Kickstarter copies to the show for you to pick up, but it is looking less and less likely that his will be the case. We are happy to supply you with a retail copy instead; but would of course rather get you the product you deserve.
Once again, many thanks to you all.
Prodos Games LTD
So evidently wave 2 exists? and theyre close to shipping it, somehow? Despite the fact that a not insignificant number of people have yet to receive wave 1?
Oh, and they'll give you an option of trading in your retail box for a kickstarter box if you pledged, or theyll send you free predator tiles free
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