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Thought they were going to give everyone the Predator tiles for free anyway?

They did not seem to address WHAT makes up the KS version. The posts/emails from Jarek seem to clearly say the flamer/acid templates are no longer included and the quality of the card stock will now be the thinner retail stuff, and the cards will come wrapped in rubber bands. It just all comes in the bigger KS box.

I'd say at this stage if wave 2 is close to shipping they will hold off and do a combined shipping for wave1 and 2 to save on shipping costs so don't expect many units to get shipped in the next few weeks

Personally the only thing I care about are the models. As long as I get them in good condition I don't mind which version of the game I get.

I just asked some questions on the blog post. My comments are 'awaiting moderation'. It will be interesting to see if they are accepted. I was not rude, just asking for clarification as to what the KS version encompasses at this point.

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Can you clarify what is currently meant by KS version?

Does it include the flamer/acid templates? Are the components the thicker card stock (tiles AND tokens)? Are the cards boxed up nicely? Do we get the original allocation of tiles or the lesser number you’ve recently been shipping?

You should also ask WHO PAYS to ship the incorrect boxes back to Prodos as they don't specify. I'd be very wary of paying for the international shipping for a heavy box yourself to have an unreliable and dishonest company like Prodos "pay you tuesday for a hamburger today".


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chaos0xomega wrote:


So evidently wave 2 exists? and theyre close to shipping it, somehow? Despite the fact that a not insignificant number of people have yet to receive wave 1?

Oh, and they'll give you an option of trading in your retail box for a kickstarter box if you pledged, or theyll send you free predator tiles free

Another important question is exactly WHOM they're close to shipping it to given how this campaign has been run. Will it be going out MULTIPLE times to retailers across the globe while backers wait months to get what they paid for years earlier than those retailers? At this point, no detail no matter how minute or mundane should be left vague.

One does wonder if they were looking at shipping one and two from the go once shipping costs where re-worked out. Would make sense.

Interestingly enough my comment/question is still awaiting moderation, yet one made a couple hours after mine has been approved.

Got to love that.

It would be really nice* to say I got Wave One (the KS version), before Wave 2 was available in the shops.

*short for - it's the least I would expect surely?

Also, if this was 23 cases of an error, then what was all that stuff about gutting out the game due to quality issues about?

I have today received the AvP boxed game... the retail version that is. For feth's sake. Emailed Michal at Prodos to get the stuff I paid for...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I have today received the AvP boxed game... the retail version that is. For feth's sake.

Was it in the retail box or the KS box?

You're a lucky guy, one of only 23 folks shipped the wrong thing and you'll get free Predator tiles.

Woo Hoo.




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And my comment/question is STILL awaiting moderation though another one was posted.

 CptJake wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I have today received the AvP boxed game... the retail version that is. For feth's sake.

Was it in the retail box or the KS box?

You're a lucky guy, one of only 23 folks shipped the wrong thing and you'll get free Predator tiles.

Woo Hoo.




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And my comment/question is STILL awaiting moderation though another one was posted.

Retail box.

Sending it back for my Kickstarter copy. Don't care about the Predator tiles. Also, ICYMI here's the Friday update.

This is rumour control, here are the facts – September 24 2015

Hey there folks, we want to start by apologising for the delay in getting this message to you. Let us also apologise to those of you who have received the wrong version of AvP: The Hunt Begins and would like to rectify this with one of the following options, chosen by yourselves.

1) You keep the version you have received and, upon request, we will send you a set of Predator Ship Board Game Tiles as compensation for free in your Wave 2 shipment.

2) You return the retail copy to our office in the UK and we will send you the Kickstarter version of the Board Game within 7 days of receiving the original.

We are aware of 23 isolated cases where this has occurred and we are aware of the people involved. If we do not receive a message regarding this, we will make the assumption that you do not mind and will take no action. We would urge you to contact us on michal.pawlaczyk@prodos.co.uk about resolving any issue you have had.

As for Wave 2, we will have printed tokens for the Wave 2 models in the studio in the next week or so. After that, we can begin shipping Wave 2 items out to backers. We’d also like to take this opportunity to tell you all that there will be 1 item for each faction made available for pre-order to our wholesale accounts relatively soon, with the intent of release in the middle of October.

Anyway, here are some pictures of a large batch of empty AvP boxes, plus a sneaky peek into the packing boxes for Wave 2, before they go through the die cutter.

Ship it back to them at your own expense for their mistake?

 n815e wrote:
Ship it back to them at your own expense for their mistake?

I'm just waiting to hear from Michal. Cause I certainly hope this isn't the case... It will cost me up to £45 to send it back if it is. In which case: Go feth yourselves Prodos.

They cant afford to send boxs out can you see them paying for you to send one back

 n815e wrote:
Ship it back to them at your own expense for their mistake?

How does that square with US / British / (whereever) Consumer Law if someone ships something other than as originally ordered?

My understanding is that they are still obliged to send what was ordered. As for the incorrect product, that would normally be taken back under the shipper's dime, not the buyer's.

Decided to emal Ninja Division to find out from them directly if they actually did receive the games and their status. Received replies back from John Cadice and Anthony Boyd, and was also directed to this official statement from September 11th (that I don't remember Prodos mentioning):

http://ninjadivision.com/alien-v-predator-fulfillment-update/


Alien v Predator Fulfillment Update

Published by deke, on September 11, 2015. Filed under Alien vs Predator.
avp2

Ninja Division Publishing is happy to announce that US shipping for fulfillment of the Alien v Predator Kickstarter has begun. Ninja Division has received approximately 180 copies to our local warehouse. Shipment of these copies is ongoing and should be complete within a week.

The remaining quantity needed to complete the fulfillment is currently on a ship heading to the US. Prodos has informed us that it is anticipated it to reach port within 2 – 3 weeks.

In agreement with Prodos Games, a third party fulfillment center will be handling the final fulfillment. The fulfillment center is located in the port city, allowing the elimination of the travel time needed to transport the product to Ninja Division’s warehouse in Idaho.

Once Ninja Division has completed fulfillment of the stock we have on hand, Prodos will coordinate with the third party fulfillment center to ensure delivery of the final items.

Ninja Division and Prodos Games would like to thank backers for their patience as fulfillment begins.

For inquiries regarding your order,

Contact: Anthony Boyd
Ninja Division Publishing
Phone: 208.286.4135
info@sodapopminiatures.com
www.ninjadivision.com

Glad they do have most of the games. Not so glad they don't have all of them. Yikes.

Here'a a link to the actual press release quoted above:

http://ninjadivision.com/alien-v-predator-fulfillment-update/

As above, it tells a lot more than what is printed.

What's the point of including "For inquiries regarding your order, Contact: Anthony Boyd" if it just results in an endless loop like a bad BASIC program where they refer you back to the post you got the contact info from?

Thanks John! You beat me to it.

So ninjadiv mailed out 180 kickstarter boxes to US backers 2 weeks ago? Guess Im not getting my pledge for another month at lwast until they figure out this 3rd party thing.

chaos0xomega wrote:
So ninjadiv mailed out 180 kickstarter boxes to US backers 2 weeks ago? Guess Im not getting my pledge for another month at lwast until they figure out this 3rd party thing.

they may have done, but we've not heard any reports of it arriving in the USA, so either they've found 180 backers who are keeping quiet, or it didn't happen. My guess is the latter because Ninja will want payment from Prodos for the postage upfront (or they will if they have any brains), and we all know Prodos are Larry Flint.

On BGG a couple US backers said they got FEDEX notices from Ninja Division, so their sets seem to be going out.

From ND's notice, the sets were sent from the UK on 9/11, with 2-3 weeks to *arrive* at their warehouse, so it sounds like they should *start* shipping between now and next week.

A full update was published yesterday (note that even if you backed for multiple copies ND are only sending 1 to allow them to get the most backers something, your other copies will be coming via prodos 3rd party fulfilment)

AvP US Kickstarter Fullfillment Shipping

Published by deke, on September 25, 2015. Filed under Alien vs Predator News.



AvP Shipments 1


Ninja Division Publishing has completed packing of our entire stock of approximately 180 copies of Alien v Predator. The packages were picked up today, September 25th. If your ZIP code is between 77042 and 99645, you should be receiving your copy soon! In order to make sure that as many people as possible can start enjoying the game we sent one copy to each backer. If you ordered multiple copies your additional copies will be coming with the remaining quantities as detailed below.

As stated in our previous update, the remaining quantity needed to complete the fulfillment is currently on a ship heading to the US. In agreement with Prodos Games, a third party fulfillment center will be handling the final fulfillment. The fulfillment center is located in the port city, allowing the elimination of the travel time needed to transport the product to Ninja Division’s warehouse in Idaho. Prodos will coordinate with the third party fulfillment center and ensure delivery of the final items.

For further inquiries regarding your Kickstarter Pledges,
•Contact: Prodos Games
•+441926431831
•service@prodos.co.uk
•www.prodosgames.com



AvP Shipments 2

Doesn't appear to be any KS copies there. Look to be all retail copies. This KS campaign is such a joke. I can't imagine how much it'd cost you guys in the US and Canada to ship a 6KG box back to Prodos HQ in the UK.

based on the depth of those parcels, they are KS spec boxes.

of course we don't know what's inside them, and more's the point we don't know what the 400+ boxes still in transit are (my money is they'll be the retail spec)

Ironically this is an update I've cross posted back to Prodos' forum on facebook, since they don't seem to want to share this progress with the backers.


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and the KS box doesn't weigh 6Kg, never did. It's more like 4.6 Kg. (retail is a kilo lighter still)

biggusdoggus wrote:
based on the depth of those parcels, they are KS spec boxes.

of course we don't know what's inside them, and more's the point we don't know what the 400+ boxes still in transit are (my money is they'll be the retail spec)

Ironically this is an update I've cross posted back to Prodos' forum on facebook, since they don't seem to want to share this progress with the backers.


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and the KS box doesn't weigh 6Kg, never did. It's more like 4.6 Kg. (retail is a kilo lighter still)

Having received the box yesterday I have to disagree with you. It even said it on the shipping label.

on what point?

biggusdoggus wrote:
on what point?

Weight of the box