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 primalexile wrote:
Essentially... Prodos is gak and is owning up to being gak...

Sell out your licensing and manufacturing knowledge to this mystery company (Mantic, I believe). Let them clean up your mess and move on.

We think it's Mantic looking to eat them then?

Hi

I hope that this concentration on Alien Vs Predator IP and the eventualy acquisition by the mystery company , don't bring warzone resurrection (the game) to a dead end.

saluti

I would be happy to pay for shipping from the UK (or Poland) to the US to get my game quicker. I think if you give backers the option to pay for shipping individual waves it could help out everyone in the long run. You could emphasize that backers do not have to send money for extra shipping, and they will receive there games, but need to be patient. Those that don't want to wait and have money to spend should be allowed to do so.

To better sell this idea, you could provide vouchers of products for every dollar spent towards shipping. it sounds like you have plenty of miniatures, but are short on capital. So, if backers spend $30 bucks in shipping, you throw in some extra miniatures. Right now, those miniatures are taking up storage space. If it helps you get through this tough time, than you should consider departing with them.

Another idea is to open up the gates on the miniatures. I would be willing to buy an extra set of the board game miniatures so I can start assembling and painting them right away. It sounds like you have vast stocks of miniatures that you are sitting on. Selling them now would generate income to mail out more KS items.

An update on the shipping container heading to the US / North America would be appreciated.

Prodos,

I've just check my pledge calculator and it says "shipment"...

Does that mean the add ons have been shipped to me or it's just due to the shipment of my retail box ? If it's just because of my retail box, I'll try to see with some friends of mine who will go to crisis and pick my add ons for me...

I've read you update... well, thank you for explanations, I wish you will find a solution in which all backers will get their stuff asap...

I wish too you'll keep contact with us like this.

Serviteur,

Morikun

I have to sort of chuckle at Panic.

Dude is still complaining even though it was his lack of putting his real name in his pledge that caused him not to get his stuff. He is from the UK, so he probably would have one of the first to receive his KS box.

I've been trolling this post for months. If Panic weren't so rude, I'd feel bad for him.

No offense Panic. I'm sure you can handle it.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 primalexile wrote:
Essentially... Prodos is gak and is owning up to being gak...

Sell out your licensing and manufacturing knowledge to this mystery company (Mantic, I believe). Let them clean up your mess and move on.

We think it's Mantic looking to eat them then?

That could be a really good partnership; Mantic/Ronnie Renton's skill of business acumen and logistics, married with Prodos and some of the exceptional sculpts they are able to produce.

Actually, if they get it right... well the mind boggles !

Mantic and Prodos would make a powerful combo. Organisation wise Prodos aren't great but, their sculpt for Blaine on Gramakh was amazing.

@ Prodos

If you do stay independent of a takeover and find yourself in another Kickstarter, I hope you look to your communications over the last day or so (apart from throwing toys out of pram with previous colleague) as a way of keeping people onside with simple, honest updates.

It's the months of being fethed around by ridiculous, contradicting information that have impacted this, as much as the delays themselves.

The thought of Prodos being taken over would actually prevent me from adding to any pledge manager. I'd just worry it was product I'd never see as part of some take over deal where the KS/pledge manager wasn't honoured. I'd just like what I've ordered in my paws. Then, I'd think about it.

Not that I can anyway, my pledge manager has actually stayed at awaiting.

Prodos, I'm guessing that for those of us in countries it's expensive to ship to have zero chance of getting their copies?
That there is no point in us adding to our pledges through the manager, as we won't be receiving anything anytime soon?

 Dark Severance wrote:

mrondeau wrote:
WClose the -ing pledge manager and stop re-opening it.

In reference to Pledge manager being opened, closed, opened. You will not have to re-close it, they will do it automatically when they move to shipping items. However verifying that your pledge manager has an actual first name, last name instead of a nickname is a thing and verifying the shipping address is complete.

Hey, it's my screencap.

Whilst I still appreciate Prodos posting here. I still find the maths wierd.
"We have shipped so far 1785 board games + approx. 230 were collected at various shows."
There were only ~2100 KS backers. Sure, some may have ordered more than one core box (real aliens...), but then some won't have ordered one at all (looking good there boss) and some may just be in for the updates.

So, it's still not clear the % of ks backers wanting a core box that have one. It still seems low despite how many boxes have been shipped.

Also - I think there are plenty of ways to reduce shipping. Friends could combine pledges or arrange collections from FLGSs that Prodos is sending retail products to anyway. After the delay there must be plenty of people just after one package which includes the core box and released wave 2 minis.

Thanks for the frank update btw.

They didn't say it was just Kickstarter copies, probably mostly retail.

They opened the KS Packages up after on their site, so one would guess quiet a few bought into it then hence the numbers.

Guessing Fox demanded terms like they had to sell X to certain retail options at a set rate/time so offering to last minute after KS backers it would have allowed them to finance the game license easier.

Though have to agree with Grossey would happily pay postage if it gets the stuff quicker.

No need to speculate if Prodos are willing to answer.

Prodos First up apologies if you have answered these questions before.

1. If you need profit to afford to ship KS copies and cover the licence renewal, why were you selling the add ons at Essen for less than Kickstarter prices?

2. How many backers (not boxed game copies) have you shipped the boxed game too. How many backers do you have left to ship too.There were 2093 backers during the campaign (some of these might not have gone in for the boxed game others might have ordered more than one copy.) and then there was the option for others to get in afterwards.

3. Where are you with approval on the rest of the items?

2. Do the above items constitute all of Wave 2?

4. Will Any Kickstarter boxes games sent now be sent with the approved minis that are also in people's pledged items?

5. You've said 2.5 -3 months to finish shipping on all 3 waves. So if your not doing the above when will all the boxed games be shipped?

6. Appreciate if you don't want to answer this, but what is the reminding shipping going to cost you?

yeah,

 grossey wrote:
I have to sort of chuckle at Panic.

Dude is still complaining even though it was his lack of putting his real name in his pledge that caused him not to get his stuff. He is from the UK, so he probably would have one of the first to receive his KS box.

I've been trolling this post for months. If Panic weren't so rude, I'd feel bad for him.

No offense Panic. I'm sure you can handle it.

I was a nice relaxed backer for 18+ months...
But
Seeing the game in my FLGs for the last few months.
Hearing about People receiving/reviewing free copies.
All the copies for sale on their web store and eBay sales...
Prodos saying they have read the KS rules and found a loophole that means the can ship as slow as they like.
and all the god damn lies!

I snapped...

And my noise got them to look at my pledge manager and tell me it had an issue.

It's their fault really if they opened my file, saw no name, closed the file and moved on...
It would have taken 2 minutes to send me an email? that's pretty gakky customer care.

I made noise and now it's getting sorted/processed.

If I get what I paid for?
Maybe in time I will forgive Prodos for being so gak and trust them again...

Panic...

One Pledge Manager says 'in progress' Not sure what that means.

So open this to the group hive mind, anyone??

Yeah, me too. It was awaiting yesterday. Heck, it's been awaiting for ages.

Same here. I'd hazard a guess the slightly different phrase is the most significant progress being made here

The phase where they mostly don't reopen the pledge manager. Mostly.

Hi prodos can we have a full list of models that are produced/ok'd buy fox and ready to go vs ones that will be later ?

So waht does 'In progress' mean compared to 'Awaiting' ?

Im guessing "in progress"means its in the to do pile rather than the ignore for the moment pile.

And from Jarek Ever on the AvP Facebook page...

"Hi all, a quick announcement. As we have a large number of backers collecting the AvP + add-ons at Crisis, we decided to compensate your time and effort ( also pain in your arms after walking with 4+ Kg game whole day) with a free random miniature from our WZR or AvP ranges. It could be a trooper or hero, monster model or even a vehicle (retail value from 5 GBP to 65 GBP!) We will have some out of production model and prototypes as well do be drawn (priceless!) . If you have collected your wave 1 at any of the shows we have attended, you will also receive the random miniature with your 2nd Wave! - Let the Hunt Begins!"

I'll let you decide as to the level of PR chaos this will result in.

Why Chaos? It's the first legitimately nice thing they've done in a long time as opposed to try and clean up their previous messes by finally doing the right thing (like paying for return shipping for faulty/incorrect boxes they sent out). It's a nice gesture.

Giving free stuff to people that already have received something whilst sweet feth all for those that have received nothing. Great

Big Jim wrote:
And from Jarek Ever on the AvP Facebook page...

"Hi all, a quick announcement. As we have a large number of backers collecting the AvP + add-ons at Crisis, we decided to compensate your time and effort ( also pain in your arms after walking with 4+ Kg game whole day) with a free random miniature from our WZR or AvP ranges. It could be a trooper or hero, monster model or even a vehicle (retail value from 5 GBP to 65 GBP!) We will have some out of production model and prototypes as well do be drawn (priceless!) . If you have collected your wave 1 at any of the shows we have attended, you will also receive the random miniature with your 2nd Wave! - Let the Hunt Begins!"

I'll let you decide as to the level of PR chaos this will result in.

Hi there, as always with this stuff, we can't make everybody happy. However we had this question constantly coming back to us via emails "what I will get for my shipping cost I paid you if I collect the game at the show".
I believe it's not only us doing it.




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UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Giving free stuff to people that already have received something whilst sweet feth all for those that have received nothing. Great

Hi there, please read my comment above.


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crazy_cat wrote:
So waht does 'In progress' mean compared to 'Awaiting' ?

In progress means that can be edited. Thanks.

Sounds good on paper although problems come when people who turned up at shows and were unable to collect Wave 1 still have nothing and still get nothing.

Caught me thinking, "Hell, I'll wait till Expo 2016 if I can get a free £65 vehicle..."

But seriously, it's another case of Prodos having stuff to give away but leaving some backers STILL with nothing.

 JoeRugby wrote:
Prodos First up apologies if you have answered these questions before.

1. If you need profit to afford to ship KS copies and cover the licence renewal, why were you selling the add ons at Essen for less than Kickstarter prices?

We need profit to split shipping into waves, if you could each wave is approx. 10 GBP a parcel, times this 3000 backers * 3 waves that is 90k GBP. License renewal is in 2017 (Rob was confused).

2. How many backers (not boxed game copies) have you shipped the boxed game too. How many backers do you have left to ship too.There were 2093 backers during the campaign (some of these might not have gone in for the boxed game others might have ordered more than one copy.) and then there was the option for others to get in afterwards.

There was in total 2560 copies of AvP game to be produced and shipped. We have covered 1785 out of that,

3. Where are you with approval on the rest of the items?

All miniatures are approved, we are going with packaging. Next month there is another 6 releases.

2. Do the above items constitute all of Wave 2?

Yes and wave 3 as well.

4. Will Any Kickstarter boxes games sent now be sent with the approved minis that are also in people's pledged items?

Yes, with all released.

5. You've said 2.5 -3 months to finish shipping on all 3 waves. So if your not doing the above when will all the boxed games be shipped?

500 received next week, shipped out asap, remaining games with us by the end of the month/beginning with next one.

6. Appreciate if you don't want to answer this, but what is the reminding shipping going to cost you?

Answered above.

Really unimpressed.
Still nothing shipped and now you've reopened my pledge - can you just get on and ship me something maybe!
As I said before there is no way I'll even consider giving you more money until you deliver what you owe me - and even then I think its a rather big if....