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Prodos can talk about the added expense of shipping in waves but I've still received zero waves. If prodos came out and said to only expect one parcel it'd sound fairly reasonable to me, all things considered. But don't stall and complain to me about how expensive wave shipping is if there isn't the intent to ship in waves.

(I know I cant compare AVP with Kingdom Death Monster, but considering both announced shipping at similar times I have received Wave 1 and 2 from Kingdom Death and sweet FA from Prodos.)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
new newsletter, the following are up for pre-order and due to start shipping on 5th Nov

Spoiler:

I think I'd have bee a wee bit more impressed, overall, if you hadn't opened with those things.

Think those are really cool!

Planning on using them as Hungries for Infinity.

 CptJake wrote:
I still don't have a damned thing.

You and me both

not even an email to say something is on the way :(

 Duce wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I still don't have a damned thing.

You and me both

not even an email to say something is on the way :(

I'm in the same boat. Unfortunately, with thier limited shipping funds, I'm sure they would rather make 3 backers less disapointed than one backer getting three copies of the boardgame. Oh well, I've resigned myself to being last, so if I get it before anyone else, I'll be pleasantly surprised. Yeah.... Right...

 Duce wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I still don't have a damned thing.

You and me both

not even an email to say something is on the way :(

I got a PM from the Prodos chap on here saying the remaining UK will be posted in the next few weeks, that was dated 19th October.

 Pacific wrote:

 Duce wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I still don't have a damned thing.

You and me both

not even an email to say something is on the way :(

I got a PM from the Prodos chap on here saying the remaining UK will be posted in the next few weeks, that was dated 19th October.

And the US backers can feel good that their box games are sitting at some un-named 3rd party distro company 'waiting for the add-ons'. Who the feth wants to guess when Prodos gets enough money to send those add-ons to link up with the box games and pay the un-named company to actually send us our stuff?

Hmmm torn - I had set myself a mental deadline of 31st October to see progress on delivering my rewards before sending a Letter Before Action to start small claims court proceedings - I think 4 months after retail release is a fair enough time to establish breach of contract. Now there does seem to be activity, do I stretch my patience further and see if I get a shipping e-mail this week, or just say feth it and start the ball rolling?

Wouldn't waste your money on small claims . Delays are something that has president in kickstarters and they are shipping the products just slower than you would like .they are communicating with backers . So as you were aware that delays could be an issue and still completed the contract buy putting your payment details in then you are legally expected to insure you are aware and happy for any inherent risk , and that buy completing the payment part of the transaction you are agreeing with the terms and conditions. Plus even if a judge did ignore all this then you have almost no hope of getting a C.C.J against a company based out of the uk .

And a c.c.j isn't a sure way of getting your money even if you get sheriffs involved ( or the equivalent in Poland )

 CURNOW wrote:
Wouldn't waste your money on small claims . Delays are something that has president in kickstarters and they are shipping the products just slower than you would like .they are communicating with backers . So as you were aware that delays could be an issue and still completed the contract buy putting your payment details in then you are legally expected to insure you are aware and happy for any inherent risk , and that buy completing the payment part of the transaction you are agreeing with the terms and conditions. Plus even if a judge did ignore all this then you have almost no hope of getting a C.C.J against a company based out of the uk .

And a c.c.j isn't a sure way of getting your money even if you get sheriffs involved ( or the equivalent in Poland )

Small Claims would be £25, a price I'd be happy to pay to be honest, even if what I got from that £25 was a bit of legal clarity around how UK courts would treat Kickstarters. Delays are acceptable - I agree that if that were the entire basis of a claim - "you said you'd deliver by x, it's now x+y months", that it would likely fail. But with Prodos openly saying that they (a) spent AvP money elsewhere, and (b) that they are now out of money to ship everything to backers in one go, I'd argue that they have breached the contract - specifically the term that funds will be spent on the project. This doesn't deal with the multiple falsehoods that they have issued. Further, I added purchases on in the Pledge Manager which is certainly outside the possibly restrictive terms of the Kickstarter project.

It's by no means an open and shut case, but it's a legally interesting one, and one that as someone with some legal standing/ background I'd find very intellectually interesting, aside from the "getting my stuff" motivation.

The KS was based in Lemington and funds were raised in £s. Had the KS been based in Poland and in euros, I may not have backed the same amount. After all, Lemington isn't far away. Poland is.

PomWallaby wrote:
The KS was based in Lemington and funds were raised in £s. Had the KS been based in Poland and in euros, I may not have backed the same amount. After all, Lemington isn't far away. Poland is.

The other reason I'm getting twitchy - Jarek has implied (stated would be too strong a word) that once Rob Alderman leaves Prodos, Prodos UK as a company will be merged into the Polish registered companies, making any form of civil proceedings significantly more difficult (I know UK law, I don't know Polish, let alone Polish law).

Quite interestingly (or amusingly, depending on how you look at it) the current Tabletop Gaming magazing has an interview with a 'Prodos Employee' about AvP.

One guess at who that is?

Employee? Or director? Or stock holder? Or owner? It's all so confusing even before you add on the "soon to be ex-" prefix to any or all of the previous titles.

I was always suspicious al the 'soon to be ex' talk coupled with the burst of communication from Jarek was no more than an attempt to squash criticism on the new Not Prodos KS/deflect attention on the KS away from Prodos. Once the criticisms slowed/stopped, so did Prodos' communication with us.

Now, I know this is just tin foil hat type suspicion, but it would fit in with previous Prodos deception patterns.

I certainly link the increased activity from Prodos with the criticism of the new KS, so you're not alone in your tin foil hat bunker. CptJake.

I picked up Tabletop Gaming Mag, but I've still to get to the AvP bit. It will be interesting to see how much of a fluff piece it is. If it is fluffy, I can imagine Prodos making sure that someone at Fox sees it come renewal time. Decent retail sales and positive reviews can only help to cover up some teensy, minor shortcomings earlier on .

So between me and Prodos, there's been 30 emails(the majority of which was me chasing) trying to sort out my KS pledge. Pissed does not describe how I'm feeling about this right now.

 Pacific wrote:
Quite interestingly (or amusingly, depending on how you look at it) the current Tabletop Gaming magazing has an interview with a 'Prodos Employee' about AvP.

One guess at who that is?

Isn't Roland Berbereich something to do with Table top Gaming? I could be wrong, but it might explain his 'lively' defences of Prodos in the AvP facebook group.

richred_uk wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Quite interestingly (or amusingly, depending on how you look at it) the current Tabletop Gaming magazing has an interview with a 'Prodos Employee' about AvP.

One guess at who that is?

Isn't Roland Berbereich something to do with Table top Gaming? I could be wrong, but it might explain his 'lively' defences of Prodos in the AvP facebook group.

I was referencing what was going on in the thread earlier with comments that Rob Alderman wasn't a Prodos employee..

.. Then he is introduced as a Prodos employee in the interview of the magazine..

I know he has obviously left Prodos subsequent to the interview in the mag, but it struck me as funny.

richred_uk wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Quite interestingly (or amusingly, depending on how you look at it) the current Tabletop Gaming magazing has an interview with a 'Prodos Employee' about AvP.

One guess at who that is?

Isn't Roland Berberich something to do with Table top Gaming? I could be wrong, but it might explain his 'lively' defences of Prodos in the AvP facebook group.

Roland Berberich is Prodos fanboy to the core. Any disscussion with him about Prodos faults is pointless because he thinks Prodos are gods of wargaming that can only produce pure awesomness.

They do produce some lovely models. Though their kickstarters and business practices leaves much to be desired.

Has anyone who has actually rec'd their box played a game yet?

T

timd wrote:
Has anyone who has actually rec'd their box played a game yet?

T

I've seen a couple of people posting about it on BGG. Seems to be pretty mixed reviews, between both ends of the spectrum. I think that the lack of more reviews, etc., in and of itself speaks volumes.

Angry Joe iirc as well as Frontline gaming did a video battlereport on youtube. I'm not 100% sure but I think either one or both sources basically said the marines were the worst and predators were OP.

When did the three weeks deadline start? Have they been shipping wave 1?

Joyboozer wrote:
When did the three weeks deadline start? Have they been shipping wave 1?

I think it starts soon...

I walked into that one

Joyboozer wrote:
I walked into that one

Sorry, couldn't help myself. I was thinking, three weeks? How about the last 18 or so months. I just can not believe that so many of us haven't gotten anything at all yet. How does this even happen by accident? Jarek talks a lot about ks creators lapping projects to fund the one before it, like that isn't exactly what they did with Warzone/AvP? I'm not trying to be unreasonable, or rage out or anything, but better decisions could have and should have been made and seriously you shouldn't have required much forethought to see that. I just don't want to hear excuses anymore. It's time for solutions. It's time to fix what you can and accept the rest. Redemption starts one backer getting their pledges at a time, consistently.

They wont send them out one at a time they will build up sets for a few weeks then send them out on mass to get a postage discount....thats what i keep telling myself anyway lol

I can not believe how FUBAR this whole thing was.

I ordered a set before the summer, and it never arrived. They sent a replacement, and after 6 weeks it showed up. I realized I had a "retail version" but had an extra bag of Preds & 2 extra marines! I ended up selling the two sets of 3 Preds on ebay for $37 & $30, and sold the Smart gunner, Tracker, and Flamer for $20 each too! Then sold the boxed game, minus minis for $50. The 10 tailess (yup, no tails, thx Prodos) aliens went for another $20!

I got the original order finally (after the replacement & Prodos got paid by carrier's insurance for lost package), the kickstarter version, and put the stuff on ebay (it's there now), and sold all the aliens for $135!

There are 7 Marines (Smart gunner, flamer, tracker, and 4 pulse rifles), PLUS the boxed game still left there on ebay!

At least it paid off in some way for me, and I can now afford to get into the new Horus Heresy Calth game!

From Chaos comes a new!