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http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-11374-49693_Alien%20Vs%20Predator.html

*edit*

Also made a Plog coz why not.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/674561.page

Prodos are now notably late in filing their accounts that cover the year through to 31 January 2015 (should have been by 31 October 2015 I think). As a result, an application has been started by Companies House (the UK Government agency that manages company filings etc) to strike off the company (basically dissolve it and take ownership of any property (physical or intellectual) that it has). They have 2 months to act.

I'll try and attach the PDF - if that fails I'll put up a link so you can access it yourself.

EDIT: PDF didn't upload - if you follow this link, https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08373380/filing-history the first document (29th December 2015 First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off) is the one of interest.

That's certainly concerning news for those still awaiting pledges (most of us at least for wave 3 - much worse for those that haven't received wave 1 and wave 2 though

It might not be as bad as it sounds since I don't think there's any British part of Prodos left.

PomWallaby wrote:
It might not be as bad as it sounds since I don't think there's any British part of Prodos left.

The entire company is Prodos Games Limited - while the physical stuff has been moved to Poland, the legal entity (that holds the licence with Fox) is in the UK.

richred_uk wrote:

PomWallaby wrote:
It might not be as bad as it sounds since I don't think there's any British part of Prodos left.

The entire company is Prodos Games Limited - while the physical stuff has been moved to Poland, the legal entity (that holds the licence with Fox) is in the UK.

Thanks for your concern, however as stated on FB, the issues is with late paperwork... we have always been late with paperworks...

This is getting sort out by our accountant asap, Thanks.

As for the Prodos, there are 3 other companies that are owned by Prodos, one of them is based in Poland (stand alone company with 99% shared sold to Prodos) that is handling manufacturing and so on.

As we are based in Poland most of the time, we may (at some point) sell Prodos Games LTD (brand) and all of its assets to company in Poland to make sure that paperwork is done on time and so on.

Do you do anything on time?

@warzone do you have any idea how dodgy it sounds when you cant fulfil obligations to customers, don't file accounts properly and use multiple shell companies?

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@warzone do you have any idea how dodgy it sounds when you cant fulfil obligations to customers, don't file accounts properly and use multiple shell companies?

Hi there, not sure what is your understanding of business law in Europe, so let me explain you : We cannot have Prodos Games LTD operation in Poland as it's UK based company, thus for tax purposes, we needed to have another company set up (to pay taxes, insurance and wages for employees ect).

Why we have moved manufacturing out of UK: Manufacturing need a massive floor space that we could not get in UK for reasonable price + it's cheaper so that we can keep cheap prices for resin products.
I think , Dell and Cadburry had the same reason to move out from UK.

99% of shares of the company in Poland belongs to Prodos.

Prodos also own 2 other companies (100% of their shares) we have purchased for their equipment and know-how this year.

As for filling out paperwork, yes we are late. This is being sort out and to be hones we are not the only one being late with it.

Thanks.

@warzone citing cadburys who have been lambasted for their business practices in the UK is not the greatest starting point. These businesses also file their accounts on time. Also when you buy a chocolate bar from cadburys you actually get what you paid for, not an ever increasing lists of excuses and overly aggressive public responses.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@warzone citing cadburys who have been lambasted for their business practices in the UK is not the greatest starting point. These businesses also file their accounts on time. Also when you buy a chocolate bar from cadburys you actually get what you paid for, not an ever increasing lists of excuses and overly aggressive public responses.

Thanks for your comment, please note our issue is with fulfilling KS not other business we are conducting (retail sales).

As stated the KS should be out by Feb, reason for delays where stated many times.

Sorry if you have taken my comment as aggressive, I was just explaining the issue behind having a company in Poland and legal reasons bonded with it. Thanks

for all their issues, Cadbury (owned by Kraft) do still manufacture in the UK at the Bournville site near Birmingham.

Dell have NEVER manufactured products in the UK. I suspect you're confusing Limerick in the Republic of Ireland with the UK - Eire is not part of the UK.

but let's not let made up facts regarding other companies get in the way of your own incompetence eh?

The issue here for me is not that you have a company under the Prodos umbrella in Poland (that does make perfect sense to me) but rather that your failure to complete the most basic of legal tasks within the remit of your UK operation, given that it's that that holds the licence, makes you look very unprofessional and could be enough for other companies looking to do business with you (maybe give you lucrative contracts for design and manufacturing) to think twice. Not complying with UK law stinks of unprofessional-ism and that in turn further damages your reputation within the market.

biggusdoggus wrote:
....I suspect you're confusing Limerick in the Republic of Ireland with the UK - Eire is not part of the UK.
....

As far as Prodos AvP deliveries go that might explain something - although they did manage to deliver to the main gaming store here a few months ago lots of copies sitting unsold but no delivery here

Tbh they cant have much of a footprint left in the uk . Just robs flat ...i wonder if being uk based was a prerequisite for the fox licence? So the only reason they are keeping up the uk thing is to keep the licence.

But then rob still says he isn't a partner /director for them anymore just an employee as he's trying to distance himself from them so he can get more money from his weird war 2 kickstarter (thats being made and designed by prodos )

So yeah if they dont get the returns sorted on time the fictional part of prodos in the uk could end up losing them the licence to produce and sell avp

biggusdoggus wrote:
for all their issues, Cadbury (owned by Kraft) do still manufacture in the UK at the Bournville site near Birmingham.

Dell have NEVER manufactured products in the UK. I suspect you're confusing Limerick in the Republic of Ireland with the UK - Eire is not part of the UK.

but let's not let made up facts regarding other companies get in the way of your own incompetence eh?

The issue here for me is not that you have a company under the Prodos umbrella in Poland (that does make perfect sense to me) but rather that your failure to complete the most basic of legal tasks within the remit of your UK operation, given that it's that that holds the licence, makes you look very unprofessional and could be enough for other companies looking to do business with you (maybe give you lucrative contracts for design and manufacturing) to think twice. Not complying with UK law stinks of unprofessional-ism and that in turn further damages your reputation within the market.

Hi there, thanks for your comments, as you can see by the paperwork above we have 2 months to file it.
Regardless, we've used external accounting services for this kind of work. Not shielding here behind anyone, however I have been told last week that the accountant was late with paperwork because he was "busy" and it's on his list to do after Christmas. I think I have to give him some credit of trust as he haven't failed us before (3y of trading???)... I've not questioned why he was "busy" (not my business, maybe some personal issues) but I have been assured that it won't happen again and it will be sort out asap.

I don't really see any reason why we should carry on this discussion about late paperwork it doe's not affect Prodos in any way or yourself.

BTW only one reason to get company strike off is to not trade for 3 months... the reason why we get this automated letter is because we have not filed paperwork on time (annual return- provide address of HQ and other stuff) and automated machine sent us a generic letter, which only shows gaps in the system as we have been posting VAT returns on time showing that we are trading... Anyway. We are going too deep into this pointlessly, so as stated above : thanks, we know about the issue and we are working on a fix.

Thanks




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 CURNOW wrote:
Tbh they cant have much of a footprint left in the uk . Just robs flat ...i wonder if being uk based was a prerequisite for the fox licence? So the only reason they are keeping up the uk thing is to keep the licence.

But then rob still says he isn't a partner /director for them anymore just an employee as he's trying to distance himself from them so he can get more money from his weird war 2 kickstarter (thats being made and designed by prodos )

So yeah if they dont get the returns sorted on time the fictional part of prodos in the uk could end up losing them the licence to produce and sell avp

Hi there, licenses are bonded to the company, we could buy off Prodos Games LTD with all it's licenses and assets by Polish company, but we decided to keep the status quo for now as we have UK based employees.

Thanks.

If you are interested in any more info regarding it here it is: https://www.gov.uk/annual-accounts/penalties-for-late-filing

You can be late for more than 2y, we are late 2 months thus 350GBP fine will be applied unless we make an appeal : quote: "it was your accountant’s (or anybody else’s) fault" or "the directors live or were travelling overseas".... Thanks

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

biggusdoggus wrote:
for all their issues, Cadbury (owned by Kraft) do still manufacture in the UK at the Bournville site near Birmingham.

Dell have NEVER manufactured products in the UK. I suspect you're confusing Limerick in the Republic of Ireland with the UK - Eire is not part of the UK.

but let's not let made up facts regarding other companies get in the way of your own incompetence eh?

The issue here for me is not that you have a company under the Prodos umbrella in Poland (that does make perfect sense to me) but rather that your failure to complete the most basic of legal tasks within the remit of your UK operation, given that it's that that holds the licence, makes you look very unprofessional and could be enough for other companies looking to do business with you (maybe give you lucrative contracts for design and manufacturing) to think twice. Not complying with UK law stinks of unprofessional-ism and that in turn further damages your reputation within the market.

Hi there, thanks for your comments, as you can see by the paperwork above we have 2 months to file it.
Regardless, we've used external accounting services for this kind of work. Not shielding here behind anyone, however I have been told last week that the accountant was late with paperwork because he was "busy" and it's on his list to do after Christmas. I think I have to give him some credit of trust as he haven't failed us before (3y of trading???)... I've not questioned why he was "busy" (not my business, maybe some personal issues) but I have been assured that it won't happen again and it will be sort out asap.

I don't really see any reason why we should carry on this discussion about late paperwork it doe's not affect Prodos in any way or yourself.

BTW only one reason to get company strike off is to not trade for 3 months... the reason why we get this automated letter is because we have not filed paperwork on time (annual return- provide address of HQ and other stuff) and automated machine sent us a generic letter, which only shows gaps in the system as we have been posting VAT returns on time showing that we are trading... Anyway. We are going too deep into this pointlessly, so as stated above : thanks, we know about the issue and we are working on a fix.

Thanks




Automatically Appended Next Post:

 CURNOW wrote:
Tbh they cant have much of a footprint left in the uk . Just robs flat ...i wonder if being uk based was a prerequisite for the fox licence? So the only reason they are keeping up the uk thing is to keep the licence.

But then rob still says he isn't a partner /director for them anymore just an employee as he's trying to distance himself from them so he can get more money from his weird war 2 kickstarter (thats being made and designed by prodos )

So yeah if they dont get the returns sorted on time the fictional part of prodos in the uk could end up losing them the licence to produce and sell avp

Hi there, licenses are bonded to the company, we could buy off Prodos Games LTD with all it's licenses and assets by Polish company, but we decided to keep the status quo for now as we have UK based employees.

Thanks.

As I said in the Facebook group Jarek - it is more likely to be that Prodos haven't posted their annual financial accounts rather than their annual return that is the issue.

Prodos' Annual return is not late - the usual date for having to file an annual return is the anniversary date of when the company was incorporated. Prodos was incorporated on 24th January 2013 - the first Annual return was filed on 10th March 2014 (late, but no notice to strike off was raised), the second Annual return was filed on 26th January 2015 (pretty much bang on time), the third annual return is not due for 3 - 4 weeks. It is not late.

Prodos' Financial Accounts are late. The first year's accounts were filed on 24th October 2014 (I believe that they would have been due by 31st October 2014, so they were filed a week early). No other accounts have been filed. Unless Prodos' financial year has been changed, the accounts are due 9 months after the company's Financial Year ends - assuming that is 31st January, the Accounts should have been filed 31st October 2015, and any corporation tax should have been paid by 1st November 2015. As no accounts have been filed, I assume that no Corporation Tax return has been filed and no Corporation Tax due has been paid (if any). This is much more likely a reason as to why the notice to strike off will have been issued.

https://www.gov.uk/prepare-file-annual-accounts-for-limited-company/overview

TL : DR - Annual Return is NOT LATE, Annual Accounts ARE LATE.


EDIT: I believe that Rob Alderman is no longer an employee with Prodos (although I could be mistaken).


EDIT 2: just noticed the bit about appealing the late filing penalty - you should re-read the rules Jarek (my bolding/ italics) -

You can’t appeal by claiming:

your company is dormant
you can’t afford to pay
it was your accountant’s (or anybody else’s) fault
you didn’t know when or how to file your accounts
your accounts were delayed or lost in the post
the directors live or were travelling overseas

https://www.gov.uk/annual-accounts/penalties-for-late-filing

 CURNOW wrote:
Prodos towers !!!
Obviously the site of a international company !
...

Hi there, you got a bit confused Prodos LTD was set up by me, it is my personal company started long time before Prodos Games LTD and was needed when I worked as an engineer in automotive industry....

As for Space Crusaders and Space Crusade.

Space Crusaders is a line of miniatures that we had in mind to release last year, initial release was scheduled for end of 2015 (post AvP KS), however due to delays with AvP, we have postpone release to beg of 2016.
Currently the range consist of 65 models and the plan is to expand it to 120 in 2016.

As for Space Crusade, our TM is active and a board game will be released mid this year.

Non of this releases is KS. We don't have any plans for any KS in future, for us is a bad experience and a trap that may cost you a lot. We plan to be KS free from February.
I wish other companies, to be KS free as well, however I know it's really difficult to break free once you've started.

@ richred_uk: ohhh yes you are right, well as I said, this is why we have left accounting to professionals. Regardless, I think I have gave enough answer to this topic, it will be sorted out just after Xmas. Thanks.


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 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Non of this releases is KS. We don't have any plans for any KS in future, for us is a bad experience and a trap that may cost you a lot. We plan to be KS free from February.

I think that would be best for everyone involved as long as you don't take pre-orders too far in advance or try some sort of personal crowdfunding like Palladium Books did on their website.

 CptJake wrote:
I would love to see Jarek engage folks on Frothers. It would be quite entertaining.

Thanks I won't go there, don't want to start 3rd WW. Some really scary people there.

 warboss wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Non of this releases is KS. We don't have any plans for any KS in future, for us is a bad experience and a trap that may cost you a lot. We plan to be KS free from February.

I think that would be best for everyone involved as long as you don't take pre-orders too far in advance or try some sort of personal crowdfunding like Palladium Books did on their website.

Thanks, no pre-orders, once the product is ready will be in shops.
Miniatures, should be out in next few weeks.

Small sneaky peek:

Hi Warzone Res:
Adam Chaszczewski here.
My pledge manager has status as 'awaiting'.
Is that awaiting for you to send my stuff or awaiting for me to do something?
Cheers.

 bubber wrote:
Hi Warzone Res:
Adam Chaszczewski here.
My pledge manager has status as 'awaiting'.
Is that awaiting for you to send my stuff or awaiting for me to do something?
Cheers.

Hi there, all is good. No need to do anything. As per update by Feb you should receive it, Thanks.

@warzone so you are using factory capacity to produce this new range of miniatures rather than pack the outstanding AvsP parcels for kickstarter backers? Or are all the kickstarter packs complete and ready for shipping?

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@warzone so you are using factory capacity to produce this new range of miniatures rather than pack the outstanding AvsP parcels for kickstarter backers? Or are all the kickstarter packs complete and ready for shipping?

Thanks for your question, no, these models are not in mass production yet, so no capacity is used. As stared we plan to have KS AvP out in next few months meaning that we can then use capacity to produce other line of models. Thanks

Joyboozer wrote:Do you do anything on time?

You win - that was the epitome of LOL

Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Non of this releases is KS. We don't have any plans for any KS in future, for us is a bad experience and a trap that may cost you a lot. We plan to be KS free from February.

I think that would be best for everyone involved as long as you don't take pre-orders too far in advance or try some sort of personal crowdfunding like Palladium Books did on their website.

Thanks, no pre-orders, once the product is ready will be in shops.
Miniatures, should be out in next few weeks.

Small sneaky peek:

Interesting... and great news about no more KS - I'm totally burned out by all the KSs

bubber wrote:Hi Warzone Res:
Adam Chaszczewski here.
My pledge manager has status as 'awaiting'.
Is that awaiting for you to send my stuff or awaiting for me to do something?
Cheers.

My advice - close out your Pledge Manager so that you get the receipt e-mailed to you, then forward that to michal.pawlaczyk@prodos.co.uk and ask politely for confirmation on delivery date. I did just this on Tue, 8 Dec and received a reply within minutes from Michal to say he'd get my Wave 1 out the next day. Received package on Mon, 21 Dec

Oh and the models are a pure joy to behold - I had a small breakage on the Crusher as the add-ons box was damaged in transit -but nothing I can't fix with a spot of superglue...

@ Warzone. I just have a few quick questions for you. What is the status of the 3D terrain? I ask because I have 2 sets as part of my pledge. I have not received anything yet and wonder if it will be sent as well by February. Is it possible to get any kind of update on this? Would it be better for me to replace this with other items to help get my stuff/ anything out the door?

Thanks.

Yeah,
So where is my KS pledge now?
You said it was being sorted once I updated the PM name?

I've heard nothing since.

panic...

Come on guys you know thats not how it works ! Lol you know they never answer with specifics

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Hi Warzone Res:
Adam Chaszczewski here.
My pledge manager has status as 'awaiting'.
Is that awaiting for you to send my stuff or awaiting for me to do something?
Cheers.

Hi there, all is good. No need to do anything. As per update by Feb you should receive it, Thanks.

I get the feeling that those of us who have received nothing so far can expect all of our stuff in Feb and not before. :/