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 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
That actually sounds kind of cool, the necromantic seem to have more of a spooky vibe amount them and this fits better. I'd hope any kind of wraiths were in the kit but they might end up beind a resin booster like the dark elf assassins.

Yeah, I think it would help differentiate the Necromantic Team from the Shambling Undead as well. I wouldn't be thrilled about them being a resin kit from FW though, so I definitely hope they are in the kit but not pictured......though it seems unlikely.

It’s called “a box of chainrasps” and it’s already available. And probably cheaper than the Forge World booster.
Just snip off the weapons.

Maybe even the mymourn banshees, £10 for 4, dynamic poses.

Also a good option which I completely forgot existed. Not totally sold on the gravestone bits though, maybe swap for footballs?

The gravestone bits could end up matching an eventual necromantic pitch though. I was thinking about cutting or separating the spirit host models a couple of which have arms outspread with no daggers to remove. If these wraiths do have the no hands rule I might consider the banshee models and just remove their arms entirely.

Nice suggestions on the Chainrasps and Banshees, definitely some nice looking kits and would be a cheap alternative if Wraiths turn out to be a thing and are a FW kit.

From memory only 1 banshee in that set is moulded into a stone, which can be removed with a little work.
2 others have small parts of fencing on them which are easier to remove.
I believe one is completely separate of basing materials too.

So work wise, maybe 20 mins cutting and a small amount of GS clean up work to get 4 players for £8 on eBay.




Edit: on the note of wrasps, some do t even have weapons.
Also, due to how their hands/arms protrude from the sleeves, you can just swap out arms to get a model with both hands open.
Like most kits these don’t have a “weapon hand” as such and use both hands.
The hands from the zombies kit are also a close match.

Can also use spirit hosts as a bit of GS to cover joins will let you have 3 separate spirits.

 Breotan wrote:

Baxx wrote:
This box is a huge upgrade from the previous.

Expect the price to be upgraded, too. ;P

Yeah but the price is pretty much irrelevant to me because Blood Bowl is one of my very few miniature games I play. If I want something, I can afford it (because I doesn't want a lot of other stuff). However, I'm gonna wait and see this time, more worried about the game as a whole than any particular new models.


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puig2233 wrote:

Dam **** **** %!?X& jesus wheres is the wight, don't get me wrong the miniatures are amazing

FW upgrade like so many other teams?


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 DivineVisitor wrote:
The Black Orc Team composition kinda looks pretty similar to the Lizardmen Team overall.

1-12 Goblins vs 1-12 Skinks
Goblins get Thick Skull and -15k
Skinks get +2 MA

0-6 Black Orcs vs 0-6 Saurus
Black Orcs get Grab, Brawler, 4+ AG, and +10k
Saurus get +2MA, 6+ AG

0-1 Troll vs 0-1 Kroxigor

Lizardmen have the speed advantage but Black Orks have a few key skills and better agility.

Yeah it's basically an alternative Lizardmen team. They didn't come up with something brand new here!


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 Sabotage! wrote:

That is a possibility, I’m just hoping they didn’t remove the player from the roster. As long as they are there I’m happy (I even have a couple extra from the Undead team as I bought two to fill out a maximum possible 16 man roster- could just paint them in my Necro team scheme).

Yes, we need the roster to know the contents of the team. You can never judge a team by the pictures GW presents. Painting multiple related teams in same colour seems to be the best way now. Halflings can join Humans, mixed teams like Underworlds (Skaven + Goblin), Old World Alliance (Dwarf, Halfling, Human), greenskin teams (Orcs and Goblins), dead teams (undead, necro, khemri).

Carlovonsexron wrote:
Im hoping Amazon's are.still.coming up. I'd be pretty disappointed if they got axed. :/

I'd definitely like to see what the figures would look like. Could be good conversion material for Necromunda Eschers too perhaps, or a Mordheim warband.


Interesting that the ghoul runner is further departed from the current GW ghoul design and closer to the old ghoul look. Flesh golem's a fun sculpt too.

Chikout wrote:
I always felt like the 2016 bloodbowl box was not a particularly good deal. Even with the recent price increases buying the box is like buying 2 teams and the rules with the other components thrown in. Usually gw box sets are cheaper than buying the plastic individually. It also lacked flair. It was just two decent looking teams, the rules and some standard extras.

The new edition looks much more interesting. The quality of the sculpts is better. You get two star players, two big guys, two coaches/mascots (One of them looks like a squig) and hardback rules. It feels like a better cross section of the full game.

The equivalent to the plastic/resin parts of this box cost about £135 individually. If they sell the box for about £90 or £95, I would be quite interested.

Yes, not only hardback rules, but actual rules for the whole game. The previous start box had dumbed down demo rules, in particular, the dreaded 'advanced' section (splitting the rules), incomplete kick-off table (they removed assistant coaches and cheerleaders) and incomplete and incorrect skills (only including skills for players in the box and ignoring stuff like sure hands has immunity to strip ball, because no players in the box have strip ball).

Baxx wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I always felt like the 2016 bloodbowl box was not a particularly good deal. Even with the recent price increases buying the box is like buying 2 teams and the rules with the other components thrown in. Usually gw box sets are cheaper than buying the plastic individually. It also lacked flair. It was just two decent looking teams, the rules and some standard extras.

The new edition looks much more interesting. The quality of the sculpts is better. You get two star players, two big guys, two coaches/mascots (One of them looks like a squig) and hardback rules. It feels like a better cross section of the full game.

The equivalent to the plastic/resin parts of this box cost about £135 individually. If they sell the box for about £90 or £95, I would be quite interested.

Yes, not only hardback rules, but actual rules for the whole game. The previous start box had dumbed down demo rules, in particular, the dreaded 'advanced' section (splitting the rules), incomplete kick-off table (they removed assistant coaches and cheerleaders) and incomplete and incorrect skills (only including skills for players in the box and ignoring stuff like sure hands has immunity to strip ball, because no players in the box have strip ball).

BB2016 was their first Specialist Games release after reviving the brand, it was basically a cheap testing bed for the idea. They used the CRP rules with very minor changes (they didn't have time to do many more), the artwork was nicked from the Cyanide games and they only committted to making 4 plastic teams (Human, Orc, Skaven and Dwarf) and the rest in resin if demand held up. League rules as you say were split from the main rules, perhaps because some in GW considered BB to be more of a novelty purchase that people played once a year or so like Space Hulk.

GW dramatically underestimated the demand, although less so than in the Kirby era when they thought no one cared about SGs, and very quickly the resin teams were switched to plastic.This more detailed box with all the rules, star players, referees etc shows that BB is stil in quite fine health sales wise and GW seems to be really embracing it now, given the variety and depth of what's in the core box. I can only hope that the new rules work well and that the missing teams still get their plastic releases.

I liked making a separate table for stunty players, although their rules are identical.

Some of the casualty probabilities have changed, partially because making room for new PA injury and moving from D68 (D6+D8) to D166 (D16+D6):

Badly Hurt (no long term effect): -12.5000% (now: 37.5000%)
MNG (Miss Next Game): +2.0833% (now: 18.7500%)
NI (Niggling Injury): +14.5833% (now: 18.7500%)
-1 AV (and MNG): 4.1667% (same as before)
-1 MA (and MNG): -2.0833% (now: 2.0833%)
-1 PA (and MNG): 2.0833% (new)
-1 AG (and MNG): 2.0833% (same as before)
-1 ST (and MNG): 2.0833% (same as before)
Dead: -4.1667% (now: 12.5000%)

To summarize, injury to MA is now split in half, one for MA and one for the new PA stat. A big chunk of Badly Hurt is transferred to NI. Death has a small reduction.

Expensive Mistakes table has also been adjusted a little bit, mainly reducing the punishment.

Apologies if anyone else has already posted something like this, but I've just been working out which teams will likely be in the new rule book, and this is what I've come up with, with page numbers:


107 - Team Tiers

108 - Black Orc
109 - Chaos
110 - Chaos Renegades
111 - Dark Elf
112 - Dwarf
113 - Elven Union
114 - Goblin
115 - Halfling
116 - Human
117 - Imperial Nobility
118 - Lizardmen
119 - Necromantic (new team - half a page leaked)
120 - Nurgle
121 - Old World Alliance
122 - Ogre
123 - Orc
124 - Shambling Undead
125 - Skaven
126 - Snotling (assuming their stats aren't just in their own Spike magazine)
127 - Underworld Denizens
128 - Wood Elf

129 - Star Players


Which completely leaves out:

Amazon
Chaos Dwarf
High Elf
Khemri
Norse
Vampire


If the Snotlings aren't in this and are only in their own Spike Magazine (which is possible given it'll have probably been in development quite a while), then the only other team/race that would fit alphabetically without a name change (like Shambling Undead instead of just Undead) would be Vampire.

I suppose since the Chaos Renegades don't have a proper box set of minis available to buy anymore, some pages may be text only and split between more than one team which could let Chaos Dwarf sneak in and If the same was done with Old World Alliance and Underworld Denizens than maybe Norse and Vampire could be there, but let's face it, that's just clutching at imaginary straws!

So if this is going to be the case, with up to 6 teams missing then it's going to upset a lot of people unless they do release some kind of supplement with new stats for the teams they're not including.

Vampire probably won't fit, because their blood sucking skill isn't listed on the skill pages. Unless that skill has been renamed (bringing it further back) or moved to a skill category not yet leaked. Or unless their unique mechanics are changed/removed completely.

The Flesh Golem looks like Frankenstein's Monster from Van Helsing.

Exposed brain, bad leg, the grey skin, etc. Not that I'm complaining, since I loved that movie

I'm pretty confident these six teams will get new models throughout the upcoming edition and might have rules in a pdf or a similiar format until then :-) There might even be other new teams. Who thought there would be a Nobility or a Black orc team? Their chances would not have been considered to be high a week ago. I think Norse/Norsca and Chaos Dwarfs allow for interesting models. Same with Amazons. Looking at the Warcry range I dont think BB teams are that far away from the Warband designs already available. And I think FW is not on a route with this game like GW were with AoS in 2011. I mean they want to sell us new models and why cut the possibilities to do that? I think the rulebook is like a compilation of the available (plastic and resin) teams at the start of the edition and more will be added with Spike magazine along with the kits like before.

Edit: FW already design Kislev units for Warhammer - The Old World and these could get a team in BB too.

Terrifying Touchdowns from Beyond the Grave!

Lol, the socks clipped to the ropes for team colors is genius.

Wolfenburg Crypt-Stealers -

Thunder Valley Greenskins? So racist! Greenskin is a slur directed at the noble Orcan Race!

I will call them the Thunder Valley Blood Bowl Team until they change it!

Looks like Wraiths have replaced Wights in the Necromantic list, which I think could make the team more unique in play style. Also looks to be another 14 man boxed team which is cool - this one looks like with max positionals in the box (assuming a 0-2 on Wraiths)

I also love the corny Halloween vibe they gave team, I think it really suits Blood Bowls tongue in cheek nature and is a lot of fun.

Too bad there're no plastic star player for the Necro team.

There are no plastic star players what so ever, except the 2 new ones in the box.

Seems like Josef Bugman has taken a hit in this new book. 30k more expensive and lost the 2x assistiant coach ability. Losing Block, gaining Wrestle. Also losing the 1st half / 2nd half double stats. Instead, he is simply available as a reserves if the team is reduced to less than 11 players. And Went from AG 2 to AG 3+, quite a boost for a dwarf?!? And available to any team now. All in all, simplified, streamlined, dumbed down and more expensive. Not impressed :(

Ah Team socks, I had assumed that the wraiths were just possessed sheets stolen from a washing line.

No Chaos Dwarves in the new edition? That would be entirely unacceptable to me.

Blorcs are so goid looking. Going by the 32mm bases they're pretty much Orruk Brute sized, right? Them hulking out on 40mm would be even better, but a team of Black Reach Waaghboss-sized dudes would be too hot to handle, I guess.


A Khemri and HElf team in that quality would be...chefkiss.jpg

Norsca might give Khorne/Chaos players actually good looking Bloodreavers

Chorfs I'm mad at myself that I didn't get the M2O set - but i still think it was really expensive and while I like how nostalgic the sculpts are...they're not that great to spend a lot.

Vamps. Oh, Vamps. I like the idea of them, but I could only ever win with them in the first Cyanide game by abusing save games. Really no idea how to play them.

JWBS wrote:
No Chaos Dwarves in the new edition? That would be entirely unacceptable to me.

I can’t really believe this needs to be said for real but: all we actually know is that they aren’t likely to be in the rule book. We don’t even know for certain that they aren’t since only a few pages have leaked, possibly from pre-production proofs at that. Heck, until two days ago people were asking the same questions about Necromantic Horror teams and now look. Also, if not being in the rule book released with the boxed game actually meant they aren’t a playable team in the edition then Chaos Dwarfs haven’t been legal since 2016.

Even assuming that there isn’t a Teams of Legend style update document, GW is not likely to stop releasing new teams just because they got a new edition with lots of teams already listed out the door and chorfs are pretty dang popular. Same goes for helfs, vamps, Norse, and all the rest not released yet.

Ok, now that there are the blitzers in the box im gonna buy it 100%, although i would have liked a diferent model than a blanket. I'm waiting for the price of the bb3 box, hope it's under 100€.

JWBS wrote:
No Chaos Dwarves in the new edition? That would be entirely unacceptable to me.

Hardly any chaos dwarves in the previous (current) edition either, other than 'teams of legend', ie. the same rules we had for years.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

JWBS wrote:
No Chaos Dwarves in the new edition? That would be entirely unacceptable to me.

I can’t really believe this needs to be said for real but: all we actually know is that they aren’t likely to be in the rule book. We don’t even know for certain that they aren’t since only a few pages have leaked, possibly from pre-production proofs at that. Heck, until two days ago people were asking the same questions about Necromantic Horror teams and now look. Also, if not being in the rule book released with the boxed game actually meant they aren’t a playable team in the edition then Chaos Dwarfs haven’t been legal since 2016.

I get the feeling, with all your italics and underlining and "I can't believe I even need to say this", that your response to me is somewhat condescending, despite that my statement was clearly of a propositional nature

I remember on the twitch steam a long time ago around when they confirmed necromantic would get their own plastics they also said chorfs would retain their big hats. I could see them coming out next year.

So are people labouring under the assumption that the new edition precludes any further expansions in the shape of new teams?

Because that's....

The "missing" teams will follow as and when the design team get round to them, accompanied by their own Spike magazines (or equivalent). How anyone thinks GW are just going to, I dunno, stop making expansions to what appears to be a perfectly profitable game is just bizarre to me.

Are people just trying to find stuff to complain about at this point?

 ekwatts wrote:
So are people labouring under the assumption that the new edition precludes any further expansions in the shape of new teams?

Because that's....

The "missing" teams will follow as and when the design team get round to them, accompanied by their own Spike magazines (or equivalent). How anyone thinks GW are just going to, I dunno, stop making expansions to what appears to be a perfectly profitable game is just bizarre to me.

Are people just trying to find stuff to complain about at this point?

Yeah? But people are waiting for Spyrers, Redemptioninsts and Ratskin in Necromunda, but GW pushes new broken stuff instead (or repeat existing gangs for the nth time). Also, many people already have these teams. We're not necessarily waiting for GW to release "new" teams, we primarily need the rules. Good thing about BB2016 is all previous teams are fully playable, as everything is/was backwards compatible. That's not the case any longer.