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Vorian wrote:
How long has it been since am official release? 20 years or so? I don't think it's massively unreasonable to aim this squarely at new players

The 1994, 3rd edition box set was, if you think about it, a better version than the current boxset, because it gave both new players and veterans the full rules with all the teams, instead of trying to string them out over a number of purchases.

 infinite_array wrote:

Vorian wrote:
How long has it been since am official release? 20 years or so? I don't think it's massively unreasonable to aim this squarely at new players

The 1994, 3rd edition box set was, if you think about it, a better version than the current boxset, because it gave both new players and veterans the full rules with all the teams, instead of trying to string them out over a number of purchases.

For sure, you do not even get full teams in the most recent one.

The only thing I like about it is the bigger board, it was always a pain to fit some of the big guys on before.

Well, all the teams are online for free, the rules are hardly changed from the old ones which are free on the internet.

From the great news that bloodbowl is back and being supported It just seems like these are pretty small complaints

Vorian wrote:
Well, all the teams are online for free, the rules are hardly changed from the old ones which are free on the internet.

From the great news that bloodbowl is back and being supported It just seems like these are pretty small complaints

If a new player were starting up and didn't want to play either Orcs or Humans, I'd still be suggesting just download the free living rule book, buy or make a pitch from one of the several companies that make pitches (I like the bigger pitch too, there's already some companies making the bigger version).

Then just buy the team from whatever 3rd party sells it, hell, even if you do want Orcs or Humans you're still probably better off getting them off ebay and using the free rulebook.

I do wonder if GW will make a move to take down the free rules.

I don't think there's a 3rd party that comes close to the new GW teams (I own some, I'm not just a delusional GW only fan boy).

I'm looking forward to the upgrade parts for the Orcs and Humans for a bit of variety and I'm sure the Forgeworld resin stuff will be amazing - so I'd recommend to them to hold off for a bit and wait a couple of days

Some of the 3rd party stuff is better than others and since we don't have a timetable for release on all the other teams I don't think it's a bad option if you aren't looking for Orcs, Humans or Skaven.

After building the Orc team and currently in the process of painting them, I'm kind of falling out of love with them. Too much detail and too spiky IMO. The Skaven are pretty good, minimal complaints so far other than the lack of options for Gutter Runners (and to a lesser extent Storm Vermin, but you can't take more than 2 of them anyway). Can't speak for the Human team as I sold them off to a mate.

But if you want one of the dozen or so other teams, 3rd party or waiting to see what GW do are your only 2 options.

Well, there's not much they can do. They can't release everything at once, given they don't have an unlimited budget and if they did there'd be nothing to come in the future.

Do we have any insight on roughly when the next book/ miniatures are coming? I guess force world will do the big guys and MVPS as and when but I won't be starting this game until the official Lizardmen team and Kroxigar come out, there are a lot of games I am diving into at the minute so I have plenty to keep me occupied until then.

Vorian wrote:
Well, there's not much they can do. They can't release everything at once, given they don't have an unlimited budget and if they did there'd be nothing to come in the future.

Yeah, I don't expect them to release everything at once. But one thing they could have done was actually tell us what's coming out in the coming months. I'm sure they have an in-house roadmap for BB, they could have released some of it to the public so people who don't want Orcs, Skaven or Humans have something to look forward to.


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 daemonish wrote:
Do we have any insight on roughly when the next book/ miniatures are coming?

Nup. We know Dwarves are in the works but don't know what exactly is coming nor when it's coming. I don't think anything is known about any future books.

We should have more info on new years day - but in addition to the dwarfs, we know about an Ogre kit coming

My initial thought was buy the box play with friends and wait for my team to come and sell off one of the other teams but a lot of people seem to be using old or 3rd party miniatures for the the FLGS league.

I'm hoping for more news on the open day, plus the dwarves should have been coming out soon. But the WD leaks seem to point into a different direction, as there are no prices or mention of the dwarf team in the leaks.

It is great news Blood Bowl is officially back, just such a pitty most things are incomplete and imperfect.

I have all the new teams, but can't play with any of them.

And a lot of things are limited edition, event-only, sold-out or just temporarily available. As if Blood Bowl wasn't already sold at high price on ebay.

Forge World Refs are only available until the end of January.

Why can you not play with any of the teams?

You absolutely can, they just don't give you the maximum number of all the positions as is. I'm just buying 2 boxes of each and converting and the metal boxes never gave you more than 12 guys anyway so I'm not sure what the big problem is.

Dice, a board with some snow on it and some not super inspired referee models aren't too upsetting either, I do understand the dice one at least.

The main problem is they don't give you a great mix for Orcs and Humans. Human teams are usually made with 4 Blitzers and Orc teams usually 4 Blitzers and 4 Blorcs. They probably play fine against each other, but you'll be at a disadvantage against a more optimally arranged team.

The Skaven team I think is fine because they can only take 2 Blitzers anyway, you might want 4 Gutter Runners, but really using 2 Gutter Runners with a Thrower isn't a bad strategy because it lets you take more rerolls, apothecary and a spare dude for when you get an injury.

The lack of positionals at the moment is a problem, one they hopefully rectify soon.

The fuss about the dice I don't get. Aren't they just a slightly different colour green? The design on them is the same?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The main problem is they don't give you a great mix for Orcs and Humans. Human teams are usually made with 4 Blitzers and Orc teams usually 4 Blitzers and 4 Blorcs. They probably play fine against each other, but you'll be at a disadvantage against a more optimally arranged team.

The Skaven team I think is fine because they can only take 2 Blitzers anyway, you might want 4 Gutter Runners, but really using 2 Gutter Runners with a Thrower isn't a bad strategy because it lets you take more rerolls, apothecary and a spare dude for when you get an injury.

The older 1994 set was the same with not having enough of each position. But for GW players you had empire figures you could cut the weapons off of, or orc figures you could do the same with. For little Timmy just starting out it wasn't great, but you could use stand ins. Time to move on. They will bring out more new models (probably resin from ForgeWorld), but it's not all at once so they don't shoot their wad. That was the problem with the game in the first place. The rules were solid, they had all the teams out ( except for fan made ones), and they had nothing more to do except reprints. They need to trickle stuff out to keep it going and keep it fresh. The rules are up for other teams I'm told so you can use any one you want, or just use the old stats and it shouldn't be too far off.

Yeah as I said earlier, I don't expect GW to release everything at once, I just think they should have let customers in on what they plan to do.

There's no way GW don't have a plan at least several months in advance, they could have just told us what they plan on bringing out (maybe keep a few things as secret surprises, but at least give us the gist of it).

Vorian wrote:
Why can you not play with any of the teams?

Take a look at any team roster for Orcs, Skaven or Humans. See how many teams you can find with maximum 2 blitzers, 2 runners and no rat ogre. See how many teams you find with only 2 black orcs. No ogre and max 2 blitzers.

I haven't seen a single such teams in all the years I've played.

Buying double up of everything is one expensive solution which gives a gak ton of mono-poses. 4 identical black orcs? 4 identical blitzers? 4 Identical runners? Meh. I'd rather wait and see what happens. I'd prefer a little worse design and more poses. Tried to do some conversions, on the orcs maybe, but difficult on skaven and humans.

Ahh, You mean you don't have optimal positionals, not that you can't play. I see.

Yes, lets hope for further positionals to come

The Might Zug:

http://m.imgur.com/5d5jq1Z

Vargas79 wrote:
The Might Zug:

http://m.imgur.com/5d5jq1Z

Ah, the rage fart pose, one of my favourites.

Baxx wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Why can you not play with any of the teams?

Take a look at any team roster for Orcs, Skaven or Humans. See how many teams you can find with maximum 2 blitzers, 2 runners and no rat ogre. See how many teams you find with only 2 black orcs. No ogre and max 2 blitzers.

I haven't seen a single such teams in all the years I've played.

2 Runners and no Rat Ogre is quite a common Skaven set up. I haven't played a lot of board game BB games, but playing the PC version of the game the 2x Runners 1x Thrower 0x Rat Ogre set up seems quite common. It's listed as option number 2 on the BB tactics website for a starting roster as it allows 3x rerolls, an apothecary and a spare lineman to replace injuries.

I've had mixed luck with Rat Ogres, they lend some bashiness, but my usual Skaven tactic is to keep as few models in tackle zones as possible and adding a Rat Ogre just messes that up.

The Human and Orc teams are a bit weak though.


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Joyboozer wrote:

Vargas79 wrote:
The Might Zug:

http://m.imgur.com/5d5jq1Z

Ah, the rage fart pose, one of my favourites.

Have you never looked at still images of people playing sports? There's more times when people look a bit awkward than they don't even if they're professional athletes.

Zug looks cool, I was planning on picking up the refs so it would be cool if I could get more things into a single order. I'm not too keen on paying shipping twice considering how expensive FW stuff is already.

This was posted on a BB group on FB

There's been an unusual lack of any open day news :(

Vorian wrote:
There's been an unusual lack of any open day news :(

I wouldn't describe it as unusual, Vorian - the open day isn't until tomorrow...

Vorian wrote:
There's been an unusual lack of any open day news :(

Isn't the open day tomorrow?

Ah, well, that's a reasonable excuse then!