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Via Kodos der Henker and Zaknitsch on Tabletopwelt.de - original sources unknown

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Disappointing that they did the ogre without any options - a few extra limb and head options would allow it to be used for the whole ogre team (still good for converting).

I love all of these. I'm getting all of these. Haven't spent more than maybe 50£ a year the last five or so years, 2017 seems to be the year that changes.

Quite a good rundown of the rule changes. A lot more than has been mentioned so far in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC415r2m8bg&t

Baxx wrote:
Quite a good rundown of the rule changes. A lot more than has been mentioned so far in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC415r2m8bg&t

That is an excellent run-down.

BoardGameGeek user, Gruumsh also has an excellent overview for veterans considering whether or not to buy the new edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOY1sRIruHI&index=4&list=PL7Qp2acDumbYrlvMaMlX_5gAQtsGiIsR-

 reds8n wrote:
Nice.

And already too large even for the new larger pitch .

I still want it though

Wasn't expecting to see a plastic Ogre. It almost makes me feel bad about selling my Humans.

That deathroller is humongous!

Can anyone confirm the price-tag for Zug? I don't think I've seen it posted anywhere.

 Dysartes wrote:
Can anyone confirm the price-tag for Zug? I don't think I've seen it posted anywhere.

Best guess would be 20-30 quid.

If the ogre and halfling together were £20, you'd think Zug would be less than that

Great stuff, hopefully I can get grok and crumbleberry.

 Dysartes wrote:
Can anyone confirm the price-tag for Zug? I don't think I've seen it posted anywhere.

£18

Guess it's already been mentioned but Grak and halfling have rules in the blister in the form of two paper cut out cards and a rule card, Grak can throw the halfling like a ball..... 210000 gold and 2 player slots, any team.

Both mini sets have the bases with hole in and regular bases.

Sales were restricted to one per person, if you wanted more then you had to do the mail order sheet,

 Breotan wrote:
Wasn't expecting to see a plastic Ogre. It almost makes me feel bad about selling my Humans.

The Ogre can be played in lots of teams can't it?

 TwilightSparkles wrote:


Sales were restricted to one per person, if you wanted more then you had to do the mail order sheet,

Does that mean at some point one could order Grak and Crumbleberry via mail order? It seems many gamers are scrambling to find someone to go to WHW to get one for them. I hope GW see this demand and make it more widely available.

decker_cky wrote:
Disappointing that they did the ogre without any options - a few extra limb and head options would allow it to be used for the whole ogre team (still good for converting).

Yeah a helmeted head option would have been nifty. But the model is very much in the aesthetic of the reikland reavers team so he fits in well enough. Did anyone ask when the ogre would be released? I'm assuming he would come out soon if they have the finished box and sprue on display...which implied they have these boxed and are preparing to sell them. I wouldn't mind seeing the ogre before the dwarf team tbh.

BigDaddio wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:


Sales were restricted to one per person, if you wanted more then you had to do the mail order sheet,

Does that mean at some point one could order Grak and Crumbleberry via mail order? It seems many gamers are scrambling to find someone to go to WHW to get one for them. I hope GW see this demand and make it more widely available.

Yea, can anyone confirm this will be a general release? I want them, but I am in the US and can't (outside of maybe gouged prices on eBay).

For someone who never played the older editions and is thinking of getting into it now, is there anything I need to get other than just a box team and some dice if someone has a pitch? I'm probably gonna grab Dwarves when they come out.

Nope. The Dwarf team has the advantage of being pretty much optimal straight out of the box too

That is something to consider, GW does not sell block dice. So new players would have to get the starter box or ebay/3d party. The dice that comes in starter box are quite cheap on ebay (in high contrast to the very limited Skaven dice). One could also just write down a table and use D6 as block dice and translate it (but less fun).

Everything GW has sold so far can be played with as it is, Skaven, Humans, Orcs and soon Dwarves.

But I'm really looking forward to maxing out all positions, preferably with some alternative sculpts. Maybe a pack of 2 black orcs/blockers/runners/catchers. And the addition of big guys, the game would be very much complete.

As a bonus, one could hope for more team dice, pitches and a full set of star players (probably not realistic).

I think GW is missing out big from GW ebay scalpers already. And they have been missing out big opportunities for years from the older minis and specialist games.

 Stortotta wrote:
I love all of these. I'm getting all of these. Haven't spent more than maybe 50£ a year the last five or so years, 2017 seems to be the year that changes.

I have all the new stuff up to the Skaven dice and winter board.
I'll definitely get the Dwarfs.
However, I have no solution how to get the teams completed. Need two more Gutrunners, two more Blackorks, and whatnot.

Vorian wrote:Nope. The Dwarf team has the advantage of being pretty much optimal straight out of the box too

Awesome to hear!

Baxx wrote:That is something to consider, GW does not sell block dice. So new players would have to get the starter box or ebay/3d party. The dice that comes in starter box are quite cheap on ebay (in high contrast to the very limited Skaven dice). One could also just write down a table and use D6 as block dice and translate it (but less fun).

I'm hoping there will be some dice for the Dwarf release like the Skaven got, otherwise I'll find some at my FLGS or ebay.

I'm sure there will but you better be prepared to preorder within 5 minutes or you won't be getting any and then you'll pay $150 on ebay for it.

On the other hand all of the new dice are actually just differently coloured Dwarf dice - so don't lose any sleep over it :p

Yeah if I don't get them I'll probably just snag some Human dice on ebay anyway.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Stortotta wrote:
I love all of these. I'm getting all of these. Haven't spent more than maybe 50£ a year the last five or so years, 2017 seems to be the year that changes.

I have all the new stuff up to the Skaven dice and winter board.
I'll definitely get the Dwarfs.
However, I have no solution how to get the teams completed. Need two more Gutrunners, two more Blackorks, and whatnot.

Wuestenfux,
My understanding of what came out of the Forgeworld Open day yesterday is that there are going to be clampacks for the rest of the positional players. They may be resin, but they should be available this year for humans, orks, and skaven for sure. Probably dwarfs too.
Goblins are a bit more up in the air... are they going to make us buy all the secret weapons separate?

The only two teams that I really want at this point is a goblin team and an undead/necromantic team.


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Requizen wrote:
For someone who never played the older editions and is thinking of getting into it now, is there anything I need to get other than just a box team and some dice if someone has a pitch? I'm probably gonna grab Dwarves when they come out.

If you are always playing with the same person and don't mind sharing, you just need the Dwarf box. Dice are always fickle in this game, so you may want your own. Don't you get Block Dice with a NAF membership?

Baxx wrote:
Quite a good rundown of the rule changes. A lot more than has been mentioned so far in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC415r2m8bg&t

21 minutes? Gah, is there just a written list of changes somewhere?

Actually, is there a good rundown of the teams and how they play? My general understanding is:

-Goblins/Skaven are squishy but fast
-Elves are squishy but tricky/dodgy
-Humans are well rounded
-Orcs/Nurgle/Dwarves are slow but tough/killy

Is there a tactica thread or site that's good?

Requizen wrote:
Actually, is there a good rundown of the teams and how they play? My general understanding is:

-Goblins/Skaven are squishy but fast
-Elves are squishy but tricky/dodgy
-Humans are well rounded
-Orcs/Nurgle/Dwarves are slow but tough/killy

Is there a tactica thread or site that's good?

Goblins? Fast? You have it wrong. Goblins are bad with no redeemable features except being fun. They get chainsaws.

Requizen wrote:
Actually, is there a good rundown of the teams and how they play? My general understanding is:

-Goblins/Skaven are squishy but fast
-Elves are squishy but tricky/dodgy
-Humans are well rounded
-Orcs/Nurgle/Dwarves are slow but tough/killy

Is there a tactica thread or site that's good?

You can basically just figure it out by looking at their stats. High strength = bashy, high move = fast, high agility = good at dodging and ball handling, high armour = less likely to get stunned/knocked out/injured.

There's some exceptions. For example Skinks have "stunty" and "dodge" which makes them good dodgers in spite of having only an average agility of 3, but they're still poor ball handlers because of that low agility. Also Dwarves are reasonably bashy in spite of a low strength because most players have the "block" skill.

If you're looking for general tactics, this site is alright (though a bit tricky to navigate)...

http://bbtactics.com/strategy/races/