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Requizen wrote:
Yeah if I don't get them I'll probably just snag some Human dice on ebay anyway.

Not to hyjack but I have many sets of new, unused white block dice for sale. The sets include 3 block dice, 1 16 sided, 2 six sided and an 8 sided. sets are $6 plus shipping to the us.

Fumbbl.com is excellent for both playing bloodbowl and getting tactics advice. Cannot recommend it highly enough

Wuestenfux,
My understanding of what came out of the Forgeworld Open day yesterday is that there are going to be clampacks for the rest of the positional players. They may be resin, but they should be available this year for humans, orks, and skaven for sure. Probably dwarfs too.
Goblins are a bit more up in the air... are they going to make us buy all the secret weapons separate?

Thanks for the clarification.

Actually, is there a good rundown of the teams and how they play? My general understanding is:

-Goblins/Skaven are squishy but fast
-Elves are squishy but tricky/dodgy
-Humans are well rounded
-Orcs/Nurgle/Dwarves are slow but tough/killy

I've seen Gutrunners in action. They are awesome with their speed and skill. Just keep them out of being tackled and they are definitely hard to stop.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Actually, is there a good rundown of the teams and how they play? My general understanding is:

-Goblins/Skaven are squishy but fast
-Elves are squishy but tricky/dodgy
-Humans are well rounded
-Orcs/Nurgle/Dwarves are slow but tough/killy

Is there a tactica thread or site that's good?

You can basically just figure it out by looking at their stats. High strength = bashy, high move = fast, high agility = good at dodging and ball handling, high armour = less likely to get stunned/knocked out/injured.

There's some exceptions. For example Skinks have "stunty" and "dodge" which makes them good dodgers in spite of having only an average agility of 3, but they're still poor ball handlers because of that low agility. Also Dwarves are reasonably bashy in spite of a low strength because most players have the "block" skill.

If you're looking for general tactics, this site is alright (though a bit tricky to navigate)...

http://bbtactics.com/strategy/races/

Seventyone wrote:
Fumbbl.com is excellent for both playing bloodbowl and getting tactics advice. Cannot recommend it highly enough

Thanks for the links! I also didn't see the Teams of Legend pdf, so many more teams opened up for choices...

Warhams-77 wrote:
Via Kodos der Henker and Zaknitsch on Tabletopwelt.de - original sources unknown

Some closeups

Just wanted to bring this up again as that Slayer definitely doesn't have the same head as the other one we've seen (no fyreslayer helmet). So either theyve given Dwarves optional heads (seems unlikely) or they've set up the sprues to better accommodate the Dwarves limited number of positionals (only 2 slayers, runners, and blitzers). So we might be looking at one sprue of 6 Blockers, and one sprue of all 6 positionals. Which HOPEFULLY means that you'll be able to buy a single sprue of 6 Blockers at some point to fill out a complete roster (ish).

The other possibility is that this is just a resin head on the plastic body to give us Grim Ironjaw.

They've had the two head options since the first time they were shown off.

Everything else looks like two duplicate sprues, I guess they just had room for an extra

A couple of the dwarves look like they could be one piece models, they certainly had a little extra room on the sprues to give the blitzers/troll slayers more options. I'm sitting on at least a hundred bucks waiting to buy some of this stuff, burning a hole in my pocket. Buying all the paints do to the human/orc/skaven team is quite a sink as well.

(slightly off topic but if anyone plays BB2 the video game, chaos dwarfs and khemri are confirmed to arrive in a few weeks so there is something to be excited about.)

Wait, are the Dwarves plastic? I thought they were going to be resin. If they're resin it's not a big deal for them to have 2 different heads on the same body.

They're plastic

The death roller isn't.

There's been no mention of resin teams at this point has there? Just resin special characters (and the death roller, obviously) and some rumors of resin parts to convert the plastics.
I assume if BB sales continue to exceed expectations that we're more likely to see more teams in plastic, at least covering Season 1.

 plastictrees wrote:
There's been no mention of resin teams at this point has there? Just resin special characters (and the death roller, obviously) and some rumors of resin parts to convert the plastics.
I assume if BB sales continue to exceed expectations that we're more likely to see more teams in plastic, at least covering Season 1.

This !

All the main teams will be in plastic, and therefor hopefully available for the foreseeable future.

Ah ok, I thought a previous rumour was that FW was doing the dwarves, so they'd be resin.

It'll be interesting to see how they lay out the sprues if there's a head option, the way the Orcs, Skaven and Humans were done the sprues were tightly packed and there wouldn't be room for such a large head/beard (as the beard ornamentation is different on the 2 slayer heads). Especially since it's not just the slayers some of the other dudes appear to have different heads on the same body as well.

This one has skulls and gems in the beard...



while this one doesn't...




Could we maybe get the OP updated with the images that have come out more recently? It's getting hard to keep track.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Ah ok, I thought a previous rumour was that FW was doing the dwarves, so they'd be resin.

The whole game is under the Forge World banner.

 Ghaz wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Ah ok, I thought a previous rumour was that FW was doing the dwarves, so they'd be resin.

The whole game is under the Forge World banner.

My Skaven boxed set says "Citadel", don't see anything FWish about it.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Ah ok, I thought a previous rumour was that FW was doing the dwarves, so they'd be resin.

The whole game is under the Forge World banner.

My Skaven boxed set says "Citadel", don't see anything FWish about it.

Take a look at the pics in the very first post in this thread...

Ah ok, well, I guess FW and citadel are working together on it then because in the last financial report GW talked about FW and citadel as separate entities.

Are the resin models still going to be in FLGSes or will those require ordering thru Forge World?

 AduroT wrote:
Are the resin models still going to be in FLGSes or will those require ordering thru Forge World?

They haven't said but I'd expect they'll be sold through Forge World and not the stores since it would require stores to keep stock on hand. There already isn't enough room to sell Hobbit/LotR stuff anymore.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Ah ok, well, I guess FW and citadel are working together on it then because in the last financial report GW talked about FW and citadel as separate entities.

They're different units within the overall GW plc, but they're not separate businesses at all. Internally it boils down to which project teams manage the work. Externally it's pretty much branding.

The original plan was to release some teams (at first thought it was just Ork/Human) in plastic and then handover to the specialist games team in FW. This is because of the cost involved with plastic team production. GW were concerned that there wouldn't be a huge interest after the core release so were hedging bets.

They have been overwhelmed with the demand. So the idea that only four teams (core plus dwarf and skaven) would see plastic tooling is getting reviewed. Goblins are out in April, and there is still no conformation what they will be cast in (although they are finished sculpt-wise). And they are now employing a full time sculpter due to demand for the teams.

The 'all special team players and stars will be resin' is also being reviewed. Plastic Ogre and Troll are now happening.

Resin will not go through FLGS. But GW are listening to the stores that are rightly asking why they should support a game they make no money from.

TLDR? GW really didn't think it would be this popular. They assumed people would use 3rd party minis etc and had no interest in competing in a crowded marketplace. They are reviewing the whole support based on the shear demand.

MaxT wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Ah ok, well, I guess FW and citadel are working together on it then because in the last financial report GW talked about FW and citadel as separate entities.

They're different units within the overall GW plc, but they're not separate businesses at all. Internally it boils down to which project teams manage the work. Externally it's pretty much branding.

Yeah of course, but they're units that are separate enough that GW decided to mention them separately in their most recent annual financial report and historically they've largely been kept separate.

Thebiggesthat wrote:
The original plan was to release some teams (at first thought it was just Ork/Human) in plastic and then handover to the specialist games team in FW. This is because of the cost involved with plastic team production. GW were concerned that there wouldn't be a huge interest after the core release so were hedging bets.

They have been overwhelmed with the demand. So the idea that only four teams (core plus dwarf and skaven) would see plastic tooling is getting reviewed. Goblins are out in April, and there is still no conformation what they will be cast in (although they are finished sculpt-wise). And they are now employing a full time sculpter due to demand for the teams.

The 'all special team players and stars will be resin' is also being reviewed. Plastic Ogre and Troll are now happening.

Resin will not go through FLGS. But GW are listening to the stores that are rightly asking why they should support a game they make no money from.

TLDR? GW really didn't think it would be this popular. They assumed people would use 3rd party minis etc and had no interest in competing in a crowded marketplace. They are reviewing the whole support based on the shear demand.

I don't think I'm ever going to get tired of how smug reading about this makes me feel

EDIT:

re the FW/GW thing - historically they've been kept distinct because FW had a fairly narrow brief, first producing low-volume add ons and passion projects in resin, then later also what GW considered the barely-worthwhile afterthought of veteran customer-retention through the modern IA books and latterly the Heresy. However, even if modern GW are still bumbling about failing to properly understand their audience and anticipate demand, unlike the ancien régime they're at least capable of admitting their mistakes internally and adjusting their strategy accordingly. The SG team is headed up by the former FW head guy and it seems it was initially planned to basically take over FW's old role of life-support for vets with a few plastic splash releases to draw in a few new folk, but all credit to them it seems GW have finally acknowledged how stupid they've been to abdicate so many sub-markets of miniature gaming without a fight and are giving the SG guys the plastics resources they need to make the new titles a proper success.

 Yodhrin wrote:

The SG team is headed up by the former FW head guy and it seems it was initially planned to basically take over FW's old role of life-support for vets with a few plastic splash releases to draw in a few new folk, but all credit to them it seems GW have finally acknowledged how stupid they've been to abdicate so many sub-markets of miniature gaming without a fight and are giving the SG guys the plastics resources they need to make the new titles a proper success.

Specialist Games is managed by Andy Hoare, he was one of the holy trinity of FW writers for several years, has also the peculiar distinction of having written 40k in all four of it's major incarnations (FW, GW, BL & FFG), but wasn't the FW head guy, FW's Head Guy is Tony Cottrell (builder of ancient scout titans using zoids and star wars figures) and as far as I can work out, SG still fall under his House and Banner (which is effing brilliant as it seems to offer protections from the shifting sands of GW 'prime' and may well allow a greater degree of coolness to continue to flourish).

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
which is effing brilliant as it seems to offer protections from the shifting sands of GW 'prime'.....

That's what I thought when I started Aeronautica Imperialis and it didn't stop it being killed when I was halfway through a couple of different squadrons

https://www.instagram.com/tomhugues/

360 spins of the Zug model from his sculptor, definitely my favorite iteration of Zug yet. Beats the derpy card art in the boxed game by far. Seeing the 360 spins really helped me appreciate the sculpt more.

FFS GW did the Dwarf team really need skulls on the bases?
The dead and injured box is there for a reason!

The death roller is nice, but really too big, , the small round base under it is almost comical, I can already see the model overlowing its square in ways the big guys won't, too bad.

Yeah, as much as it is a huge, impressive monstrosity, it's size really does make it rather awkward on the pitch. I think GW might have gone a little too far overboard with this.

I hate to be negative about what, overall, is a great thing - that being GW re-releasing BB without fething it up - but I am not feeling those Dorfs.

Dorfs are stoic solid rocks, not dynamic action heroes with flowing tresemme beards. And that roller is dorky as hell on top of being too big to be practical on the pitch.

Oh well. I'm looking forwards to new Undead and excited to see what they can do with the various flavors of elf.