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BigDaddio wrote:
According to reports starting to hit FB, the plastic Ogre will hit retail March 4th (on that date the human team will also be available as a separate box).

Oooh, is the price going to be the same as the Skaven and Dwarfs? I didn't buy a full BB set to get the humies to use their torsi for 40k, but if they're as cheap as the other teams, hell yeah.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
You may be able to build an ogre team with enough of those Ogre boxes. It'll depend on how many options we have on the sprue... can you make six that are different enough.

Single pose, and no options - you will have to convert if you want a team.

 Binabik15 wrote:

Oooh, is the price going to be the same as the Skaven and Dwarfs?

Ogre will be £12 (Humans £20 like the others).

MongooseMatt wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
You may be able to build an ogre team with enough of those Ogre boxes. It'll depend on how many options we have on the sprue... can you make six that are different enough.

Single pose, and no options - you will have to convert if you want a team.

Plus it will cost you £72 just for the ogres, you will then need to buy some grots or something to fill out the rest of the team, quite an expense for a team that performs pretty poorly in game.

 Rayvon wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
You may be able to build an ogre team with enough of those Ogre boxes. It'll depend on how many options we have on the sprue... can you make six that are different enough.

Single pose, and no options - you will have to convert if you want a team.

Plus it will cost you £72 just for the ogres, you will then need to buy some grots or something to fill out the rest of the team, quite an expense for a team that performs pretty poorly in game.

It's a true shame that it is single pose without options.
As for cost for a tough team to win with? I've spent the last year building a Sisters of Battle army and an ork walker army in 40k. *shrug* I play/build/paint what I like.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
You may be able to build an ogre team with enough of those Ogre boxes. It'll depend on how many options we have on the sprue... can you make six that are different enough.

Single pose, and no options - you will have to convert if you want a team.

Plus it will cost you £72 just for the ogres, you will then need to buy some grots or something to fill out the rest of the team, quite an expense for a team that performs pretty poorly in game.

It's a true shame that it is single pose without options.
As for cost for a tough team to win with? I've spent the last year building a Sisters of Battle army and an ork walker army in 40k. *shrug* I play/build/paint what I like.

Thats fair enough man, I have a halfing team I used to use quite a bit, never won many games but it was fun launching flings at the opposition.
My point was that nearly a hundred quid is pretty expensive for one monopose team.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I just can't agree with you there. I really like this ogre, he's got some great hark-backs to old school incorporated into the design

It's not automatically a good thing. In fact, I think it's the problem here. That, combined with another part of your post...

and the face has real character, real 'life' to it.

...(which I don't really agree with either) It reminds me of the last set of Bloodbowl ogres:



http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/eldritchzephyr/newimage.gif

Particularly the unhelmeted one. Even back then, coming after the Ogre Kingdoms debut, they seemed like a backward step. And all of them make me think they were trying to hark back even further, to Bob Olley's ogres:

http://www.sodemons.com/rhogres2/0889c23bolleyogres/index.htm

Now, looking at those, if you want to talk about character... They have obvious exaggerations like the wide, flat jaw and big nose, etc. But to me they look more well-constructed, more natural.
In comparison the new Morg has strangely razor-sharp cheekbones, and nasolabial folds that are all but vacuum-formed along those cheekbones, with barely any hint of a facial muscle impinging on it. (And while we're at it, the nasiolabial fold seems to run below the wing of the nose rather than above it.) The N-L folds being hoiked up so far creates a strange effect so you can't really tell what his expression is: scowling, snarling, grinning or what. Especially since the mouth (with it's fridge-seal labrador-lip) seems to be performing an Elvis sneer, with just about no effect or difference to either side of the face, aside from the fact there's an opening you can see teeth through, at one side.
Nevertheless there seems to be some hints of stretching wrinkles below the lip and on either side of the philtrum (the upper lip groove) which makes... little to no sense, to me.
The brow is flat with another sharp edge. The cranium is practically smooth, with barely a hint of a temporal fossa or temporalis muscle. (the concavity at the side of your head, and the jaw muscle that attaches to it) The eyes are reduced to a set of eyelids like flabby lips. The teeth are an inorganic flat checkerboard with one that happens to stick out as a tusk. (Or like a sore thumb) And so on.

The look, with the bony nasolabial fold and that, is an old look at GW. Not the oldest, but old, and as I say that doesn't make it a good look. If someone's trying to recapture some spark of Bob Olley, it looks like they've been 'interpreting' (to put it generously) and plugging together features without really understanding what Bob was doing, or to be frank, understanding faces in general.

It's not the first time I've seen what looks like GW sculptors trying to crib a properly oldschool sculptor's style for years, and still not get it. So I'm thinking Trish Carden or Aly Morrison. Though something about those mouth-stretches make me think of other sculptors at Forgeworld... Who was it who sculpted their tyranid stuff?

MongooseMatt wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
You may be able to build an ogre team with enough of those Ogre boxes. It'll depend on how many options we have on the sprue... can you make six that are different enough.

Single pose, and no options - you will have to convert if you want a team.

 Binabik15 wrote:

Oooh, is the price going to be the same as the Skaven and Dwarfs?

Ogre will be £12 (Humans £20 like the others).

Excellent /Burns

Thanks!

I like the Ogre quite a lot as well, he almost has a powerfist going on there. He's really expensive compared to a team, though. Still, I can see a lot of Inq28 characters coming out of this sprue.

Well poop. Just found out the other day that those Savage Orc rules in GW's app aren't actually official/tournament legal. Extra annoying since I just finished converting up a full roster of them on Friday.

I've been mulling over a box of ogryns to convert into Ogres for various teams for a while. Might take the plunge next week. After all, my possible Human Noble team (I only play with friends, wanting to try it out) needs two anyway. No doubt I'll be bagging the actual BB ogre when it comes out too, bringing me up to four. So one for my chaos pact team and another... Hmmm, which other teams have ogres?

Any news on the troll? That's kind of crucial really as GW don't make suitable classic troll models at the moment (River Trolls are fine but I like the classic Stone Troll look far better).

Morg looks poxy; just got myself a classic ogre from Ebay for £6 and in no way tempted to trade up. So far two big hits [Grak & Crumbleberry and Varag] and two big misses [Zug and Morg].

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Morg looks poxy; just got myself a classic ogre from Ebay for £6 and in no way tempted to trade up. So far two big hits [Grak & Crumbleberry and Varag] and two big misses [Zug and Morg].

Um... Varag looks like a 90s sculpt.... while Zug looks incredible, fresh and dynamic. How is that a miss?

 AduroT wrote:
Well poop. Just found out the other day that those Savage Orc rules in GW's app aren't actually official/tournament legal. Extra annoying since I just finished converting up a full roster of them on Friday.

Share it!

I'm just in the process of building the same team using Savage Orcs from the fantasy range. Unfortunately I ran out of 32mm bases so have to wait for another ebay order to complete them. Also ordered a 3rd party troll.

What did you do for the savage black orcs? I'm thinking about using Orruk Brutes without shoulder pads.

About the new star players: I have started painting Zug, waiting for the orc and have pre-ordered Morg. Looking forward to paint and use all of them.

I used a box of the Savage Orcs from AoS. For the Brutes I use sculpting putty to bulk up their upper torsos and make them taller.

You can see pictures here;
https://www.facebook.com/groups/154786034573932/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/154786034573932/permalink/1417428538309669/

 Vermis wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I just can't agree with you there. I really like this ogre, he's got some great hark-backs to old school incorporated into the design

It's not automatically a good thing. In fact, I think it's the problem here. That, combined with another part of your post...

and the face has real character, real 'life' to it.

...(which I don't really agree with either) It reminds me of the last set of Bloodbowl ogres:

Spoiler:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/eldritchzephyr/newimage.gif

Particularly the unhelmeted one. Even back then, coming after the Ogre Kingdoms debut, they seemed like a backward step. And all of them make me think they were trying to hark back even further, to Bob Olley's ogres:

http://www.sodemons.com/rhogres2/0889c23bolleyogres/index.htm

Spoiler:

Now, looking at those, if you want to talk about character... They have obvious exaggerations like the wide, flat jaw and big nose, etc. But to me they look more well-constructed, more natural.
In comparison the new Morg has strangely razor-sharp cheekbones, and nasolabial folds that are all but vacuum-formed along those cheekbones, with barely any hint of a facial muscle impinging on it. (And while we're at it, the nasiolabial fold seems to run below the wing of the nose rather than above it.) The N-L folds being hoiked up so far creates a strange effect so you can't really tell what his expression is: scowling, snarling, grinning or what. Especially since the mouth (with it's fridge-seal labrador-lip) seems to be performing an Elvis sneer, with just about no effect or difference to either side of the face, aside from the fact there's an opening you can see teeth through, at one side.
Nevertheless there seems to be some hints of stretching wrinkles below the lip and on either side of the philtrum (the upper lip groove) which makes... little to no sense, to me.
The brow is flat with another sharp edge. The cranium is practically smooth, with barely a hint of a temporal fossa or temporalis muscle. (the concavity at the side of your head, and the jaw muscle that attaches to it) The eyes are reduced to a set of eyelids like flabby lips. The teeth are an inorganic flat checkerboard with one that happens to stick out as a tusk. (Or like a sore thumb) And so on.

The look, with the bony nasolabial fold and that, is an old look at GW. Not the oldest, but old, and as I say that doesn't make it a good look. If someone's trying to recapture some spark of Bob Olley, it looks like they've been 'interpreting' (to put it generously) and plugging together features without really understanding what Bob was doing, or to be frank, understanding faces in general.

It's not the first time I've seen what looks like GW sculptors trying to crib a properly oldschool sculptor's style for years, and still not get it. So I'm thinking Trish Carden or Aly Morrison. Though something about those mouth-stretches make me think of other sculptors at Forgeworld... Who was it who sculpted their tyranid stuff?

Then it's a straightforward opposing preference on aesthetics.

I've never liked Bob Olley's Ogres, Black Orcs or indeed his servitors, which all that that odd tiki mask over-exaggeration, weird around the teeth (derp overbites ago-go), strange lips and big ears. Also his proportions on the bodies of those ogres is both wildly variable and 'off' to my eye. Now I don't want to character assassinate the bloke, I bloody love his dwarfs and skrunts. His Adeptus Mechanicus with power axe is one of my all-time favorites as well (and he's been knocking it out of the park with Deepwars), ever, but I don't like his goblinoids, ogres or his bb troll, there is a familiar aspect to all of them in the face and it's a look I really don't like.

My benchmark for Ogres is Jes Goodwin, my first Ogre (and what I wish they'd all but copy but increase the size) was this fellow.


That look is ogres to me, that face, that 'spike the bulldog from tom and jerry' proportion that led to these ogres.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Thanks for posting this - LOVE these old ogres (and still have 5, 7, 8, 9, and 14 on my paint-room shelf). Tons of character, with a story behind each one... brings back some memories.

I have multiples of all the Blood Bowl ogres, including the Bob Olley ones. I love them, but couldn't really nail down which I "prefer".

When GW released the Ogre Kingdoms sets a few years back I wasn't hugely sold on the redesign, but they were decent figures. I love the new Ogryns, however. Good variety, and built on the plastic Ogre redesign of the Kingdoms release to bring them back around to the older styles above.

Morg.... Hmmm. I'm not sold on him. I like Ogres to have variety; Bob Olleys' used to rub shoulders with my Jes Goodwins, so Morgs face is simply a different bone structure to me. That's fine. I don't really like the ornamentation, the posing or the really bizarre choice of having the ball held in such a precarious manner. And compared to that plastic BB ogre posted previously, he really doesn't look that great at all.

That new Morg is tragic. Nothing really good about him at all. Ball, face, spikes, all fails.

Classic Morg is still a beauty.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Spoiler:

I spent a lot of time looking at that as a lad as I did the white dwarf pages with them all painted up.
Some of the best Ogres ever made, I just had to collect them all.

 feeder wrote:
That new Morg is tragic. Nothing really good about him at all. Ball, face, spikes, all fails.

Classic Morg is still a beauty.

Spoiler:

I have three of the classic Morg, and that's what I'll be using for my teams.

 AduroT wrote:
I used a box of the Savage Orcs from AoS. For the Brutes I use sculpting putty to bulk up their upper torsos and make them taller.

You can see pictures here;
https://www.facebook.com/groups/154786034573932/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/154786034573932/permalink/1417428538309669/

Actually I can't see any of your pictures there. Why don't you post them at a place they're actually available? It's not like people have to sign up to dakka to see discussions or photos posted here.

 Rayvon wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Spoiler:

I spent a lot of time looking at that as a lad as I did the white dwarf pages with them all painted up.
Some of the best Ogres ever made, I just had to collect them all.

 feeder wrote:
That new Morg is tragic. Nothing really good about him at all. Ball, face, spikes, all fails.

Classic Morg is still a beauty.

Spoiler:

Well, lots worse things to be doing then putting a 30 piece model togeather...

Like putting 2 30 piece models together?

You see how the model probably breaks down?

1 Base
1 Head
1 Torso
1 Left Arm
1 Right Arm
1 Legs
1 Left Hand
1 Right Hand
1 Left Boot
1 Right Boot
20 Fiddly as feth spikes because they rip the mold to pieces if they're not cast separately on sprues.

Here's the Battle Masters Ogre I picked up from the loose figures bin at the FGS for $2.50. I only paint to tabletop standard but I think he gets the job done esp. for that price.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Here's the Battle Masters Ogre I picked up from the loose figures bin at the FGS for $2.50. I only paint to tabletop standard but I think he gets the job done esp. for that price.

I've got about 6 of them laying around including one in my BB painting que . I just finished the Minotaur from Battle Masters to be used as a backup for chaos and burgled rotters.

Nicely done, Sir!

Back to the ogre release, I saw it listed for $18 USD. Is that going to be available to independent stockists or GW direct only? I probably won't buy one but the guys at the FGS might since he's carrying BB in a big way.

Where are people getting 30 piece for M'N'T? I was told around 6 pieces?

It says so on the FW website.

 Tyr13 wrote:
It says so on the FW website.

Then I'd suggest that's an error. That's a crazy number of pieces. The big FW tanks have far less parts.

It's really likely not, as I've already mentioned, he's plastered in spikes and they'll tear the molds to shreds if they're cast as part of the model.

It'll be like the FW KoS, you'll get sprues of spikes to attach, which will be the overwhelming majority of those 30 parts.