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Chikout wrote:
I saw the stream. The elf team is two identical sprues, but with 9 pieces per mini rather than three. The facemasks are a separate piece for example. There will also be a high elf pitch, one side of which is frozen. There will be dice, team cards and card sleeves released.
He reiterated the plan to do one team a quarter but did not say which is coming next.

That's surprising but brilliant. No mohicans on the sprue by the (blurry, admittedly) looks of it....

But I'm very pleased to see them going a more modular route. Separate shoulder pads will always be a good idea!

 ekwatts wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I saw the stream. The elf team is two identical sprues, but with 9 pieces per mini rather than three. The facemasks are a separate piece for example. There will also be a high elf pitch, one side of which is frozen. There will be dice, team cards and card sleeves released.
He reiterated the plan to do one team a quarter but did not say which is coming next.

That's surprising but brilliant. No mohicans on the sprue by the (blurry, admittedly) looks of it....

But I'm very pleased to see them going a more modular route. Separate shoulder pads will always be a good idea!

They said they were going to do a goodwinesque punk team as a resin conversion kit like they did for the bright crusaders.

The mohawks and cyber elf styling were kind of the "thing" for this team. But i'm glad to see so many masks and customization compared to the earlier kits.

All sounds good to me! I wonder if the frosted over side is meant to serve as a substitute for the long sold out blood on the snow pitch... I'm hoping we get a few new star players soon!

One team per quarter is a pace I would certainly welcome (especially if done in plastic). And due to the number of pieces a proper cutomization might be possible...

I'm not as bothered about full customisation as I am decent figures with a good, Blood-Bowl-ish aesthetic to them. So far, that's been true of all the releases, so I've been happy, even if they are all a bit monopose.

Any support from GW is good, but I think that most tourneys are going to stay with the NAF.

Hoping for some more made to order today, theres still a few teams ive not got.

Good lord, how many months has it been since the gobbos were released? Once the elves are out, then it must (hopefully) be nurgle's turn...

Clockpunk wrote:
Good lord, how many months has it been since the gobbos were released? Once the elves are out, then it must (hopefully) be nurgle's turn...

It has been too long, i think the release of the elves has been pushed back in favour of 40k and shadespire releases. My money would be on shadespire 2nd releases next week and possibly Elven Union the weekend after (preorder).

Anyone know anything about it?

 WarpSpider767 wrote:

Clockpunk wrote:
Good lord, how many months has it been since the gobbos were released? Once the elves are out, then it must (hopefully) be nurgle's turn...

It has been too long, i think the release of the elves has been pushed back in favour of 40k and shadespire releases. My money would be on shadespire 2nd releases next week and possibly Elven Union the weekend after (preorder).

Anyone know anything about it?

The elf team was always said to be coming in November. I doubt that has changed. The next plastic team will come in the spring.

Preview is barely 2 months old.

We've had quite a few people from GW saying, among other things, that plans and promotional stuff (like the White Dwarf) is usually done 6+ months in advance.

I am sure they could - in theory - make short-term changes in a pinch, but why would they for a bloody Blood Bowl team?

Chances are, they are currently making pics of the 'Eavy Metal Blood Bowl team to be released in April and then send it over to the publication guys to start working on it, while the November Elven Union release was set before 40K 8th was even officially released.

I believe there has been some scrambling behind the scenes to push some things into plastic that weren't originally meant to be plastic, while making plans to accelerate pre-production on future releases and shoehorning those into release plans that I expect extend as far as Christmas 2018 at the very least.

But all that really represents is a more solid plan of support for the game, with more plastic releases now planned than before. As far as what might have been the "original" release plan back when Blood Bowl was dropped on us in November last year, the only deviation we've seen so far is the bumping of elves into plastic (apparently; I'm not convinced they weren't planned as plastic from the very start). There has been no slippage in anything so far.

I really don't understand where much of the criticism comes from. We're all eager to get our hands on more Blood Bowl stuff, as I have been since the late 1980s, but it happens when it happens. Here we are in October, and I regard it as a curious and happy privilege to be able to be discussing the impending release of a plastic Elf team in the next month or so. Not a position I expected to find myself in this time last year, even with the strong rumours of a new Blood Bowl boxed game on the horizon.

Sit on your hands, chaps. It's going to be alright.

Clockpunk wrote:
Good lord, how many months has it been since the gobbos were released? Once the elves are out, then it must (hopefully) be nurgle's turn...

I don't get the urge for Nurgle. You have perfect models to convert from in 40k/AoS.

What I'd like before new teams is completion of already released teams. Humans and Orcs have waited a full year and still are unplayable. Even Goblins (currently last team released) got further than these 2 first teams.

So, is the Elven Union only going to be Forge World or...?

Cataphract wrote:
So, is the Elven Union only going to be Forge World or...?

I expect it to be sold in the same fashion as the Goblins and other teams, Forge World is responsible for the sculpts but they are produced in plastic and sold through the GW website as well.

Baxx wrote:

Clockpunk wrote:
Good lord, how many months has it been since the gobbos were released? Once the elves are out, then it must (hopefully) be nurgle's turn...

I don't get the urge for Nurgle. You have perfect models to convert from in 40k/AoS.

What I'd like before new teams is completion of already released teams. Humans and Orcs have waited a full year and still are unplayable. Even Goblins (currently last team released) got further than these 2 first teams.

Humans are available in a complete format already. Even if Forgeworld release the booster pack, it would end up costing the same to buy the Plastic Human box + the FW booster as it would to simply buy two human boxes. If you desperately need the completed team it's easily possible for you to do so (as I did).

This isn't a valid criticism. I get it, and I feel the same way, but I don't feel that it's as pressing as releasing the basic plastic boxes for the teams currently listed in the Season books (minus the Underworld and Renegades obviously, as they're meant to be composed of different (currently available) boxes, which is fine)

Cataphract wrote:
So, is the Elven Union only going to be Forge World or...?

The Elven Union will be the same as the previous plastic teams. They are confirmed as being plastic. There are pictures of the sprues only a few pages back.

Late to the party, just saw the sprue.

Good idea to break the models down into lots of different bits. Allows GW to create new and interesting resin add ons, meaning a single sprue can be modded to represent Elves of any era.

I approve!

 ekwatts wrote:
Humans are available in a complete format already. Even if Forgeworld release the booster pack, it would end up costing the same to buy the Plastic Human box + the FW booster as it would to simply buy two human boxes. If you desperately need the completed team it's easily possible for you to do so (as I did).

Assuming booster isn't say...new sculpts with different pose. It's already jarring to have duplicate poses. 4 identical pose? URGH!

Yeah the Human and Orc teams are in need of a booster. Black Orcs and Blitzers have very distinctive poses so having 4 identical ones on a field looks pretty bad.

They did the Skaven booster which is quite nice for giving you 2 additional options for the Gutter Runners and 1 option for a Blitzer.

I bought the Skaven booster and while the models are nice, it looks to me just like they were CADded up, 3D printed then resin cast. You can see the striations from the 3D prints on the resin models and they lack the really sharp detail I'm normally used to seeing on Forge World models. If that's their design process it doesn't seem like a huge deal to just throw together some boosters for the other teams.

I still want to see a Lizardmen team though, most of the other teams I don't mind the 3rd party options or conversions but I feel the Lizardmen could really use a new team.

I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.

 ekwatts wrote:

Humans are available in a complete format already. Even if Forgeworld release the booster pack, it would end up costing the same to buy the Plastic Human box + the FW booster as it would to simply buy two human boxes. If you desperately need the completed team it's easily possible for you to do so (as I did).

This isn't a valid criticism. I get it, and I feel the same way, but I don't feel that it's as pressing as releasing the basic plastic boxes for the teams currently listed in the Season books (minus the Underworld and Renegades obviously, as they're meant to be composed of different (currently available) boxes, which is fine)

At first I would agree with you. After a full year, I no longer want more teams. I got a bunch of incomplete teams I can't play with:

-Humans (GW)
-Orcs (GW)
-Humans (FW)
-Orcs (FW)
-Goblins (can play but really want more variety with ooligan, doom diver and pogoer, also 2nd troll would be nice)

Having 4 mono-pose blitzers, catchers, black orcs is not an option, then I'd rather get some 3rd party minis instead.

If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.

But I do wish they'd release more teams so my friends can update their models. Some more staff (cheerleaders, coaches, etc) would be nice, too.

If I'm going to scratch-build models, why bother with GW at all?

Then I'd just get a complete team from 3rd party.

 Breotan wrote:
If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.

Again we're talking specifically about Humans and Orcs here, GW have not released new sculpts for Blitzers and Black Orcs so you'll be left with 4 identical poses.

I have no problem with monopose models assuming there's a range of poses.

Skaven are fine, FW released the booster pack that gives you extra poses for the Gutter Runners.

You could go 3rd party but I don't think anyone makes models of the same aesthetic.


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Deadawake1347 wrote:
I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.

Yeah the Star Player Lizardmen look nice but they are...

1. Insanely expensive, they're 2 to 3 times the price of a GW team even when you take into account the Kroxigor. You can add shipping to that because GW teams most people can get without paying for shipping but the Star Player ones you only get free shipping if you're both in Europe and spending over 120 euro.

2. They're tiny. They look good but when you see them on the website those are 25mm bases they're mounted on and they still look small on them.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.

Again we're talking specifically about Humans and Orcs here, GW have not released new sculpts for Blitzers and Black Orcs so you'll be left with 4 identical poses.

I'm not sure how to reply to this. Yes, there is duplication of poses in the plastic sets. However there has ALWAYS been this type of duplication. Go back to the 3rd Edition box and you'll see one pose for the catcher, one for the thrower, one for your blitzer, and usually only one or two for your linemen. This was the same with both the humans and orcs that came in the box. The metal teams were little better with regards to variety. Eventually you'd see something in a blister but those were usually expensive for what you got.

Yes, there is a lot of duplicate poses in Blood Bowl. There's really only one way to deal with it, do what people back in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd editions had to do - learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.

Yeah the Star Player Lizardmen look nice but they are...

1. Insanely expensive, they're 2 to 3 times the price of a GW team even when you take into account the Kroxigor. You can add shipping to that because GW teams most people can get without paying for shipping but the Star Player ones you only get free shipping if you're both in Europe and spending over 120 euro.

2. They're tiny. They look good but when you see them on the website those are 25mm bases they're mounted on and they still look small on them.

Hah! Those were actually exactly the ones I was looking at, and you're absolutely right on both accounts. Honestly I'd just convert my own, but the current Saurus range looks terrible, aside from the one from the Carnosaur box. I'd settle for three sculpts of each Saurus and Skink players. Sure you'd end up with duplicates... But who cares when the next best option has the Saurus the same size or smaller than the human team? I would much, much rather them get all the teams out there and then go back and make alternate sculpts, rather than have some teams just left out.

 Breotan wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.

Again we're talking specifically about Humans and Orcs here, GW have not released new sculpts for Blitzers and Black Orcs so you'll be left with 4 identical poses.

I'm not sure how to reply to this. Yes, there is duplication of poses in the plastic sets. However there has ALWAYS been this type of duplication. Go back to the 3rd Edition box and you'll see one pose for the catcher, one for the thrower, one for your blitzer, and usually only one or two for your linemen. This was the same with both the humans and orcs that came in the box. The metal teams were little better with regards to variety. Eventually you'd see something in a blister but those were usually expensive for what you got.

Yes, there is a lot of duplicate poses in Blood Bowl. There's really only one way to deal with it, do what people back in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd editions had to do - learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.

This.

On my human team all my blitzers look different due to some having bare heads, a few minor hand swaps and differing skintones.

 Breotan wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.

Again we're talking specifically about Humans and Orcs here, GW have not released new sculpts for Blitzers and Black Orcs so you'll be left with 4 identical poses.

I'm not sure how to reply to this. Yes, there is duplication of poses in the plastic sets. However there has ALWAYS been this type of duplication. Go back to the 3rd Edition box and you'll see one pose for the catcher, one for the thrower, one for your blitzer, and usually only one or two for your linemen. This was the same with both the humans and orcs that came in the box. The metal teams were little better with regards to variety. Eventually you'd see something in a blister but those were usually expensive for what you got.

We aren't living in the mid 90's anymore. I remember playing games against armies of Space Marines made up of the exact same identical post. What was acceptable back then isn't quite so much anymore.

Yes, there is a lot of duplicate poses in Blood Bowl. There's really only one way to deal with it, do what people back in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd editions had to do - learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.

Dude, anything can be converted. GW don't have to release anything at all because any team can be converted.

You said you wished they'd release more teams so your friends can update your models.... tell your friends to learn to convert.

I'd rather they put some effort in to fill out the teams they've already released.


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Deadawake1347 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.

Yeah the Star Player Lizardmen look nice but they are...

1. Insanely expensive, they're 2 to 3 times the price of a GW team even when you take into account the Kroxigor. You can add shipping to that because GW teams most people can get without paying for shipping but the Star Player ones you only get free shipping if you're both in Europe and spending over 120 euro.

2. They're tiny. They look good but when you see them on the website those are 25mm bases they're mounted on and they still look small on them.

Hah! Those were actually exactly the ones I was looking at, and you're absolutely right on both accounts. Honestly I'd just convert my own, but the current Saurus range looks terrible, aside from the one from the Carnosaur box. I'd settle for three sculpts of each Saurus and Skink players. Sure you'd end up with duplicates... But who cares when the next best option has the Saurus the same size or smaller than the human team? I would much, much rather them get all the teams out there and then go back and make alternate sculpts, rather than have some teams just left out.

Yeah, I converted some from the existing Saurus and Skink models. There's some pics in my gallery if you want to see how they turned out...

https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-59981-53651_Blood%20Bowl.html

The Skinks are fine but the Saurus models both have bad and hard to modify poses and are way too weedy.

It was kind of a rush job conversion, threw them together to play a game against a mate but I'm holding out hope that they release a team down the track so I didn't put a huge amount of effort in to them.

Lizardmen are one team I really want GW to release because of the fact they are one of the hard ones to convert well. Most the other teams I reckon you can convert reasonably so from the existing WHFB/40k ranges.


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 ekwatts wrote:
This.

On my human team all my blitzers look different due to some having bare heads, a few minor hand swaps and differing skintones.

A problem with the human team in general is all the models look way too similar. The Orc team isn't too bad, but the humans they chose basically the same pose for all the linemen and blitzers. Of the teams GW has done so far the humans are probably my least favourite.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


You said you wished they'd release more teams so your friends can update your models.... tell your friends to learn to convert.

I'd rather they put some effort in to fill out the teams they've already released.

I'm sorry, but this is obnoxious. I started a league with seven of my friends, six of whom have never painted or assembled a mini before.
Not everyone is ready to blow a ton of money to sit and cut and glue for hours afterwards.

New teams are a huge deal and entry point and I'm glad GW recognizes this.