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The intention of this thread is not to air grievances or hates of AoS, but rather to be a spot where people can be encouraged to ask questions that give them pause in starting AoS. This might be understanding the lore a bit better; or the way the grand alliances work or which armies are good to take or how to use endless spells etc....


So use it as an opportunity to ask questions and find answers so that you can get into the Age of Sigmar fantasy game

I was getting out of fantasy when their world died, got into 40k; kept my Bret and dark elves partially, plan to strip and add some pieces to make them usable at some point, but there is just too much 40k and commissions for me to paint to get there anytime soon.

For me I am not playing Age of Sigmar is because of my depression. The new edition helped, I was able to buy the minis but just don't feel like going out. Now I am having a hard time putting them together.

Nothing about the game is wrong, just not finding any fun right now.

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Davor wrote:
For me I am not playing Age of Sigmar is because of my depression. The new edition helped, I was able to buy the minis but just don't feel like going out. Now I am having a hard time putting them together.

Nothing about the game is wrong, just not finding any fun right now.

I know what that is like :( it is extraordinarily difficult to manage, more than many realize.

Edit: Whoopsy! I should read OPs and not just the title.

I'll be honest, I'd like a Kill Team-like product for AOS. Love the models and the game system, but don't like big games. Skirmish was a half measure that didn't work very well, in my opinion. A Dreadhold Killzone would make me pee myself in joy. I'm worried that they won't do it because it might interfere with Shadespire/Nightvault (which I do play and enjoy).

Hard to find the time to put everything together and coordinate with others.

I also have a problem with SCE. The army simply doesn't motivate me to play it. I thought about putting some old elves together as I find motivation to paint their miniatures. Painted army is far nicer to see on the table than half grey with some naked gold. However the rules make me sad when I think about their state.

An update to Skirmish or AoS kill team would be awesome!

It's actually very simple, but numerous.

1) I've never had a plethora of Warhammer Fantasy models. I had the Warhammer Online Orc/Goblin hero and a box of Chaos Hounds to use for Kroot Hounds.

2) I've always had a hard time picking a first faction for Fantasy (and I started looking back when Beasts of Chaos could take Daemons and Mortals in their army). By the time I was ready to jump in, End Times was done, AoS started, and no one was playing.

3) Because of the AoS deployment plan, the army I DID want to run was almost non-existant in terms of getting the models for. That much will be changing soon, though.

4) One of the last GW FAQs for 40K 7th Edition really pissed me off when it comes to their rules-writing. AoS is simpler, so not as prone to cross-eyed rules, but I'm still wary.

5) I am currently unemployed, and can only seem to get underemployed jobs with people who will hire anyone, but not respect them. I can sometimes sell models to trade, but what I have from other games are of little interest in general.

Kind of just want some of the old school stuff back. The God-Specific Chaos stuff doesn't appeal to me.

I don't know if these still exist in the latest edition of AoS but when I looked at AoS before the armies books all had 40ks 7th ed formations in the back of them. Formations are the single worst thing about 7th. I was pretty disgusted they made it into AoS. I don't want anything to do with them.

Waiting for a faction to appeal to me. Hoping for humans or Chaos dwarfs here.

I do play it now, but only since 2nd edition came out.

When the World-that-was ended, I tried the new game on launch day, found it wanting, shrugged and left. I was not desperate to play a GW game at all costs, so I looked around and found other games, primarily KoW and X-wing at the time. By the time the first GHB popped up, I didn't care enough to look. Note that I was never butthurt over the death of the Old World and mass regiment battles, I supported GW's decision for a hard reset from the start. I just didn't find early AoS a satisfying game.

The announcement of a 2nd edition caught my eye, I checked how the game is now and found it had been turned into something pretty neat during the past 3 years, so I jumped in.

I see it as a powered-down version of 40k because units don't have a battleship's worth of ranged firepower each. I am having a good time winning on objectives despite losing most of my combats.

 Lance845 wrote:
I don't know if these still exist in the latest edition of AoS but when I looked at AoS before the armies books all had 40ks 7th ed formations in the back of them. Formations are the single worst thing about 7th. I was pretty disgusted they made it into AoS. I don't want anything to do with them.

I did not play during 7th, but to my understanding AoS battalions do not work the same way formations did.

I barely get time to play 40K (although I'm finding time for Kill Team!).

If I had more time - I'd be all over Idoneth Deepkin. Even if the presence of them and their monsters on dry land takes a bit of a mental leap, the models look bloody awesome.

I do have a question. How are the Endless Spells working out? Are they being used in casual games?

Davor wrote:For me I am not playing Age of Sigmar is because of my depression. The new edition helped, I was able to buy the minis but just don't feel like going out. Now I am having a hard time putting them together.

Nothing about the game is wrong, just not finding any fun right now.

My sympathies, depression is an utter swine and a very difficult thing to deal with. I hope that you can get some support from your doctor/psychologist or even some of the self help groups or charities out there.

Sqorgar wrote:I'll be honest, I'd like a Kill Team-like product for AOS. Love the models and the game system, but don't like big games. Skirmish was a half measure that didn't work very well, in my opinion. A Dreadhold Killzone would make me pee myself in joy. I'm worried that they won't do it because it might interfere with Shadespire/Nightvault (which I do play and enjoy).

I'd like to see them expand on Skirmish too, at present its sort of there but tacked on and isn't getting the focus that Kill Team is. That said I think you are right in that Shadspire is their skirmish style game, and I'm ok with that as it gives its own unique flavour to the experience.

Knight wrote:I also have a problem with SCE. The army simply doesn't motivate me to play it. I thought about putting some old elves together as I find motivation to paint their miniatures. Painted army is far nicer to see on the table than half grey with some naked gold. However the rules make me sad when I think about their state.

There's hope that the Aelves get some fixing up much like the Chaos Beastmen are right now - ergo combining up some of the multiple subfactions into a single functional Battletome force - plus there's two more full Aelf new factions to come (basically Angel Aelves and Devil Aelves)

Charistoph wrote:

5) I am currently unemployed, and can only seem to get underemployed jobs with people who will hire anyone, but not respect them. I can sometimes sell models to trade, but what I have from other games are of little interest in general.

Fingers crossed you can get out o the unemployment/short term job rut - its a pain today and a serious issue many suffer with.

Lance845 wrote:I don't know if these still exist in the latest edition of AoS but when I looked at AoS before the armies books all had 40ks 7th ed formations in the back of them. Formations are the single worst thing about 7th. I was pretty disgusted they made it into AoS. I don't want anything to do with them.

Battalions (formations) in AoS are very different and since the 2.0 rules dropped many people don't even make use of them. You pay points to use them and get a free command point for each one; but at the same time they are quite expensive now and quite a few can feel very limiting. So they are far more optional and there are many functional armies that don't touch them. That said they are no way near generating the hate/dislike that the 40K formations had - the idea is sound its the points being used to pay for them that I think is their current stumbling block.

Herbington wrote:I barely get time to play 40K (although I'm finding time for Kill Team!).

If I had more time - I'd be all over Idoneth Deepkin. Even if the presence of them and their monsters on dry land takes a bit of a mental leap, the models look bloody awesome.

I do have a question. How are the Endless Spells working out? Are they being used in casual games?

AoS is a much more "epic magic" world than the Old World was; in fact the old world was almost a touch closer to low-magic fantasy (indeed in the early days many of the armies were mostly rank and file regular troops with only the odd fantasy beast here and there). So Idoneth are one of those examples where when they come to the shore they bring mighty spells and the seas with them; rolling on a tide of pure magic and power.


As for Endless Spells they are proving very popular and in many areas are pretty much default include in most casual pick up games. It's a combination of the fact that buying into using them is very cheap (by this hobby's standards) as you get rules and models for less than the cost of a getting started set; plus any army can use the core set so if you've more than one army its a very good investment.
Secondly it gives a new feature that I think lets AoS stand out from the crowd; that of having spells that appear on the game board and last multiple turns; rather than spells that are only seen as dice rolls of buff/debuffs.

There is more debate on realms for maps and realm artifact use as that can get a little bit unbalanced and complicated in terms of choices; so that can be a bit more variable. But the way the Malign Sorcery is setup its basically possible to take and choose what bits to use - so you can bring along endless spells and leave all the realm stuff behind; or you can bring bits of it or all of it (plus the realm stuff is artifacts and spell tables so its all paperwork rather than models so its very easy to add or remove).


Plus GW is boosting it by giving new armies their own trio of faction specific endless spells which gives flavour to many of the factions in addition to their model line up. (although oddly both Daughters of Khaine and Idoneth don't have any and don't have any rumours of any to come as yet - odd only in that they were both built with 2.0 in mind and thus should at least have Endless spells on paper)



Personally I think Endless Spells are here to stay as a core part of the AoS experience and structure. The only issue is one or two older armies (esp the sky dwarves) have trouble dealing with the heavier use of magic, but that's more a balance issue that should be resolved at some point.

Mostly time, only get to game once a week and already have my favourites so picking up and learning a new system doesnt appeal (and its not just GW-phobia, I've skipped on stuff like Infinity and Malifaux for much the same reason)

That said might be interest to see if I can proxy some of my Circle army for Hordes into a Beasts of Chaos force

I do have around 30 of the old Minotaur's (and 2x doom Bulls) the old models that actually look like Minotaur's etc... and are metal over failcast (the bullgors are gak looking lets be honest). When the new codex drop I will buy, but the new (old now I suppose) Models are mostly failcast (now days, I have alot of the metal mins but meh..) if I want a hero and look, ok but is failcast and like gak if want to do anything with.... whats the point.

I didn't read to much thought was about new beast men. As a long time fantasy player, I find it fun and if that the current you have to play. adapt to the new always, cause otherwise never gunna progress and honestly found AOS fun.

I never got into WFB because I wasn't crazy about the blocks of some 20 minis I thought each unit would have to have and it looked rather boring.

Something about AOS drove me to it though, and I have been going back and buying the more recent WFB starter sets and other armies, blown away with what I missed out on. I think I just prefer the look and feel of the old world. I feel like I can relate to it more.

And I hate those Stormcast Eternal guys.

Not to say this wasn't the right move for GW. They needed to put their own stamp on their products, and WFB is just a ripoff of LOTR. I do think they did the right thing trashing their old world and starting over.

But I am a sucker for OOP games and I think the world they created during 6th, with Mordheim as a supplement, and various ways to play the game, is even superior to 40k, where my heart has been since Rogue Trader. But I can't say that I ever loved 40k rules. I had the most fun with 2nd. Was ok with 3rd, and from there its been a model driven hobby versus a gaming one. WFB has kicked my interest in gaming again and its a shame I missed the boat.

I know GW has brought a lot of the older minis back alongside the new ones, but I just can't get into AOS.

I have lost interest in 40k too. Maybe it has more to do with me being a product of my time I guess. I mean, flame throwers against flyers? WTF.

It's not Fantasy. It's 40K with more swords. I played Fantasy to play a different game. When the switch to AoS happened, it took away all of the reasons I played it, and there is nothing in AoS that makes me want to devote time to it, instead of just sticking with 40K.

I'm not a fan of the fantasy genre unless they're within the quasi-realistic scope or pushing into science-fantasy. I enjoy settings where its mostly historically-inspired with a dash of fantasy. AOS is mostly magical/mythical nonsense with a dash of historical flavoring. There probably a term for this - low fantasy vs high fantasy I guess?

I used to enjoy fantasy more, but I lost interest in it at some point and got that much more into science-fiction of all flavors. No idea why.

 Overread wrote:
There's hope that the Aelves get some fixing up much like the Chaos Beastmen are right now - ergo combining up some of the multiple subfactions into a single functional Battletome force - plus there's two more full Aelf new factions to come (basically Angel Aelves and Devil Aelves).

I know, the current rumors say that that it's likely going to be a long wait.

SirWeeble wrote:I used to enjoy fantasy more, but I lost interest in it at some point and got that much more into science-fiction of all flavors. No idea why.

I'm opposite. I love a good sci fi space opera but the last two years I'm reading and dabbling more into fantasy worlds.

Can you still play with square bases these days? 'Cause I'm not ripping my figures off their bases just to try a game with them.

I also haven't been able to discern any interesting tactics that make it seem exciting.

 kestral wrote:
Can you still play with square bases these days? 'Cause I'm not ripping my figures off their bases just to try a game with them.

I also haven't been able to discern any interesting tactics that make it seem exciting.

You can, however in practice its not as ideal since the game is built with round bases in mind. That said there are several 3rd party companies that are making base attachments that can slot onto a square base to make it round - I've not used them so i don't know who to recommend, but I'm aware that they are out there in the market.

You can play with square bases officially. The rules specifically state that that is fine.

If you want to play in big events though that is not the case since the events tend to outlaw square bases and force you to base your models using the suggested base dimensions that GW put out this past summer.

Pretty much only because I'm still painting my CSM 40K army that I've had since the start of 6th edition, and have a Dark Eldar army half-bought waiting in the wings for when I've finished the CSMs...

My kids are starting to get to an age where wargaming is viable though, and AoS does seem a bit simpler than 40K for a youngster to get their head round - so we'll see...

I don't have the time or money to support multiple game systems. When I got started in the early 90s it was s much more affordable. Now you spend five dollars for some of the rank and file for an army. That has lead to new people not starting in the game in my area. GW needs to make their games more affordable if they want people to play. My other problem is that AOS has broken up my orc force so I would have go acquire more models for my army.

GW removed most of my army so now I don't really have much to play.

I have a full time job, a wife, and a two year old son. My building and painting time has been cut significantly since I got married. But, I love my wife and my kid far more than any piece of plastic, so I choose to spend the time with them. Now, I could probably get an army assembled and maybe primed in plenty of time... painting, no.

Right now, I'm working on 40K Kill Teams as well my 40K Death Guard army. So, both of those are taking up all of my build/paint time.

SG

Because they did what was IMO, tantamount to cultural vandalism by so callously throwing the Old World in the bin. No matter how good this game could get- I will never play it; as giving it any kind of support to me gives vindication to Kirby's bone-headed decision.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Because they did what was IMO, tantamount to cultural vandalism by so callously throwing the Old World in the bin. No matter how good this game could get- I will never play it; as giving it any kind of support to me gives vindication to Kirby's bone-headed decision.

It's ok now, Kirby's gone; he can't hurt you any more. It's ok to like new things now.