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The new Furies look really cool though.
With their cute little beards.

Raptoryx are obviously the assblaster stage of the graboid life cycle, duh.


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 Mymearan wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I think a big obstacle when it comes to making another Mordheim is that GW no longer supports converting like they used to. Every option in the rules must have a model. Which IMO is a dam shame and holds them back on multiple fronts.

That’s not true for Necromunda, in fact only a fraction of the weapon choices actually have models for each gang. I suppose it’s true for GW main though.

Ah, I did not know that and it gives me some small hope, thank you.

Let's face it, Raptoryxes are chaos chickens.

I don't think the reason for GW not wanting to make another Mordheim is a question about supporting conversions or not. You can actually make it work while keeping it simple and not going into detail about the weapon. It's just a design choice about keeping the campaign system very basic as well. I guess GW's reasoning is that if the base is a skeleton, it makes it easier to add extra rules afterwards - for future extensions but also for players to make their own deeper system.

While not a knock on GW...the reality is that GW's sales philosophy now is to find a way to sell you every single component of the game. That's how they can make more money off of a game. When they were a smaller company they were more passionate about games and had big dreams...but they couldn't sell you all that stuff, so it was very much "here's a White Dwarf article on how to make your own!" etc.

They've seen the success of companies like FFG etc. who can sell you dice, tokens, cards, etc. Any expansions will not be written books, but rather physical items you buy to expand the game. They've already dove hard in on that for Blackstone Fortress, etc.

Having a lengthier, deeper, more open-ended campaign is bad for GW if it doesn't generate sales. So expect expansion packs, tournament packs, season packs, etc. etc. etc. They know peripherals are easy ways to generate a lot more income. They've no interest in you playing a game long-term unless you're still buying product for that game. It's akin to the automobile revolution in the early 90's when companies realized cars were becoming too good. They want to sell you another car, not have you drive around in one for 1,000,000 miles.

GW isn't making games for people to play 15-20 years from now (as you see large communities for the old WHQ, Mordheim, Necromunda etc.) because those communities aren't spending money at the GW store. This is not meant as a critique, it's a simple business observation.

Much like Necromunda (which, with few exceptions was extremely limited on wargear - you had to wait for the Gang War book which accompanied your Forgeworld weapon sprue releases to even add them to your gang), if GW wants you to have different weapons and items on your minis...they're damn well going to sell you those weapons/items and you won't be using them until that happens.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Raptoryx are obviously the assblaster stage of the graboid life cycle, duh.

I get the same vibes off them as well.

Cypher Lords Warriors

Mnil wrote:
Cypher Lords Warriors

No rule for the optional build? and girl with throwing stars?

If the throwing star girl supposed to be the same as the 75 pts dude, then I might jump into the GMG complaint band wagon about unclear depiction of fighter on the card

I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.

Can't even tell the Cypher lord's unit name from their headdress. The "mirrorblade" and "mindbound" have the same headdress. and the throwing star girl also called "Mindbound" but she had a different headdress???

Chopstick wrote:

Can't even tell the Cypher lord's unit name from their headdress. The "mirrorblade" and "mindbound" have the same headdress. and the throwing star girl also called "Mindbound" but she had a different headdress???

Yes you can.

The Mirrorblades have tall headdresses (they also have breastplates by the way) and the Mindbound have broad headdresses.

This makes the Luminate a bit tricky, since she has a broad headdress and a breastplate. But she is recognizable by her weapon and more elaborate headdress.

Also the Luminate and Mirrorblades are on 28mm bases while the Mindbound are on 25mm bases. The Thrallmaster is on a 32mm base.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.

No amount of seeing GW's ultra-trademarkable names helps me remember them, so... I'm good.

Chitriel wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

Can't even tell the Cypher lord's unit name from their headdress. The "mirrorblade" and "mindbound" have the same headdress. and the throwing star girl also called "Mindbound" but she had a different headdress???

Yes you can.

The Mirrorblades have tall headdresses (they also have breastplates by the way) and the Mindbound have broad headdresses.

This makes the Luminate a bit tricky, since she has a broad headdress and a breastplate. But she is recognizable by her weapon and more elaborate headdress.

Also the Luminate and Mirrorblades are on 28mm bases while the Mindbound are on 25mm bases. The Thrallmaster is on a 32mm base.

Nah I just figure out the Warcry website warband depiction is trash.... "Mindbound with double blade sword" is the girl, not that dude.

Chopstick wrote:
Nah I just figure out the Warcry website warband depiction is trash.... "Mindbound with double blade sword" is the girl, not that dude.

Yup, exactly.
The model they show with the text "Mindbound with Double-Bladed Sword" appears to actually be a Mirrorblade with Glaive.

They also completely forgot about the Beastspeaker being part of the Untamed Beasts warband, so their track record is not great...

If it's so confusing that they can't even get it right themselves, maybe they're doing something wrong.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/27/warcry-why-its-the-game-for-yougw-homepage-post-4/

While Warcry is set in the Chaos-tainted wastes of the Eightpoints, the game is for every Grand Alliance. Order, Death and Destruction are well represented with 3 warbands apiece, each offering new tactical challenges. We’ll be adding more warbands to the game in future, too!

So most armies should get warband cards at some point (and it wouldn't surprise me if Stormcast get more than 1)

Whatever new Stormcast would still be a separated warband, due to how the faction-wide ability work.

I do hope they found someway to upgrade existing warbands with new expansions.

Would love Liberator and Judicator cards for Warcry that would allow me to use my current Stormcast models in this game rather than just picking up a few more Vanguard to fill out my Shadespire Warband in Warcry.

Should be interesting to see where the rest of the factions go from here

 DaveC wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/27/warcry-why-its-the-game-for-yougw-homepage-post-4/

While Warcry is set in the Chaos-tainted wastes of the Eightpoints, the game is for every Grand Alliance. Order, Death and Destruction are well represented with 3 warbands apiece, each offering new tactical challenges. We’ll be adding more warbands to the game in future, too!

So most armies should get warband cards at some point (and it wouldn't surprise me if Stormcast get more than 1)

We already know about 2 more Chaos warbands. Everything else is wishful thinking.

 Overread wrote:

Also lets not forget that hopefully GW's new factory comes online this year or next and that will expand GW's production considerably, esp for specialist games .

They will have a new factory? That is good news. I just assumed they were expanding their staff.

 Geifer wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.

No amount of seeing GW's ultra-trademarkable names helps me remember them, so... I'm good.

Never a truer word spoken. Sometimes I think that GW losing the Chapterhouse case, made the fanbase the overall losers.

 stonehorse wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.

No amount of seeing GW's ultra-trademarkable names helps me remember them, so... I'm good.

Never a truer word spoken. Sometimes I think that GW losing the Chapterhouse case, made the fanbase the overall losers.

That was an industry wide thing. Wizards of the Coast did it in D&D 4e (and Magic) around the same time. The entire gaming industry was pretty convinced that AdjectiveNoun Color/AdjectiveNoun was a foolproof way to secure an IP. Instead it made it easier to argue that someone was just making generic public domain <nouns> that had nothing to do with a company's super special snowflake AdjectiveNouns, though obviously a customer could use them in any number of popular games. But generally people are hyper focused on having official products or absurdly cheap counterfeits, so it isn't exactly a license to print money

Voss wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I understand the lack of words on the card, but still find it mildly annoying. The name of the type of model it is not being present will lead to lots of "my leader dude attacks your grunt dude with spear" talk in game as you struggle to remember what they are called.

No amount of seeing GW's ultra-trademarkable names helps me remember them, so... I'm good.

Never a truer word spoken. Sometimes I think that GW losing the Chapterhouse case, made the fanbase the overall losers.

That was an industry wide thing. Wizards of the Coast did it in D&D 4e (and Magic) around the same time. The entire gaming industry was pretty convinced that AdjectiveNoun Color/AdjectiveNoun was a foolproof way to secure an IP. Instead it made it easier to argue that someone was just making generic public domain <nouns> that had nothing to do with a company's super special snowflake AdjectiveNouns, though obviously a customer could use them in any number of popular games. But generally people are hyper focused on having official products or absurdly cheap counterfeits, so it isn't exactly a license to print money

End of the day it did not help anyone; the customers did not benefit, the companies did not benefit. It was eating two-week old tex-mex that gave us all horrid diarrhea and didn't even taste good.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/27/warcry-why-its-the-game-for-yougw-homepage-post-4/

While Warcry is set in the Chaos-tainted wastes of the Eightpoints, the game is for every Grand Alliance. Order, Death and Destruction are well represented with 3 warbands apiece, each offering new tactical challenges. We’ll be adding more warbands to the game in future, too!

So most armies should get warband cards at some point (and it wouldn't surprise me if Stormcast get more than 1)

We already know about 2 more Chaos warbands. Everything else is wishful thinking.

I think it is pretty much guaranteed, myself.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/27/warcry-why-its-the-game-for-yougw-homepage-post-4/

While Warcry is set in the Chaos-tainted wastes of the Eightpoints, the game is for every Grand Alliance. Order, Death and Destruction are well represented with 3 warbands apiece, each offering new tactical challenges. We’ll be adding more warbands to the game in future, too!

So most armies should get warband cards at some point (and it wouldn't surprise me if Stormcast get more than 1)

We already know about 2 more Chaos warbands. Everything else is wishful thinking.

Three more Chaos warbands..


Though I agree it could be wishful thinking for ‘most armies’ to get one.
It certainly will be more than three still to reveal.
As they said they are adding more in the future. Where as those have already been ‘added’ to the game, just without the models shown yet.

Danny76 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

We already know about 2 more Chaos warbands. Everything else is wishful thinking.

Three more Chaos warbands..

Not the three we've seen models for (i.e., the Corvus Cabal, the Unmade and the Splintered Fang) but the two from the rulebook (the Spire Tyrants and the Scions of the Flame).

Three from the Rulebook we haven’t seen models for.
That’s what I’m saying.

Danny76 wrote:
Three from the Rulebook we haven’t seen models for.
That’s what I’m saying.

What's the third warband then?

They haven’t said a name yet I don’t think.

There’s 9 in the book, I did post this several pages back then again a time or two, just seems to keep getting missed or ignored..

Danny76 wrote:
They haven’t said a name yet I don’t think.

There’s 9 in the book, I did post this several pages back then again a time or two, just seems to keep getting missed or ignored..

I looked as far back as this post and all I saw was you speculating there would be nine Chaos warbands since there will be nine non-Chaos warbands. Since GW already revealed the Spire Tyrants and the Scions of the Flame will be represented in the game I see no reason to believe there's a third warband hidden in the rulebook we've not heard of.

Danny76 wrote:
8 would if they were based on the 8 realms, but as we know there is only 7 based on that...


Anyway, the Warcry rulebook has rules for 9 Chaos and 9 other Grand Alliance warbands..

I meant This post.
And then the one following was just saying I want to see the models for them


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Other comments may have been in the general AoS thread to be fair, hard to keep track..
Also, I hadn’t noticed GW had mentioned the two names, I thought that was only the pictures someone took of a couple of pages..

Danny76 wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
8 would if they were based on the 8 realms, but as we know there is only 7 based on that...


Anyway, the Warcry rulebook has rules for 9 Chaos and 9 other Grand Alliance warbands..

I meant This post.
And then the one following was just saying I want to see the models for them


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Other comments may have been in the general AoS thread to be fair, hard to keep track..
Also, I hadn’t noticed GW had mentioned the two names, I thought that was only the pictures someone took of a couple of pages..

Reviewers and stores have their copies of the game now, if there was another Chaos warband in there we’d have seen it by now. The Warcry rulebook doesn’t even have the warband rules in as far as I know, they’re all on the cards with the core rules being in the book.