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 Fango wrote:


Seeing as how the new Shattered Realm terrain cards and boards are locked behind terrain that we likely already own, I would not be surprised in the least if the stat cards were repackaged with the models. After all, this is an obvious move to sell product they didn't sell enough of...especially those $35 Malign Portents heroes...

That being said, they did release a couple of card packs for Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower/Hammerhal, so maybe the new stat cards are in something like that.

That's my fear alright they'll repackage those minis with the Warcry rules for them so if you want the official cards (I know they can be got in other ways) then you have to buy them again. Hopefully any rules/cards will be available separately or with the book/in the book and this won't be an issue.

Oh I'd love the manticore being released as its own thing without the rider!

Let's see if they add the Slaughterbrute and Mutalith Vortex Beast as well.

A more reasonably priced Slaughterbrute sure would be nice. I wonder if I still have one tucked away.

Maybe they'll give Chaos Spawn some stats as well?

Scylla would probably be asking too much, wouldn't it?

In the blurb about the Heraldor they do mention daemons as well. Flesh hounds, beasts, and nurglings perhaps?

 Fango wrote:

Seeing as how the new Shattered Realm terrain cards and boards are locked behind terrain that we likely already own, I would not be surprised in the least if the stat cards were repackaged with the models.

Are you talking about the Ravaged Lands? The terrain cards use the specific combination of terrain found in the box that you are unlikely to have. If you have your own combination of terrain, you don't need the terrain cards. Only the board would be useful outside of what's in the box - I'd be okay with selling these separately, but they'd probably be more expensive than the equivalent (and better) neoprene game mat.

Warcry has already established the blister pack of cards distribution model, and dollars to donuts, that's how future game rules will be sold (for non-Warcry model rules). If it were me, I'd ape the AI cards used by Kingdom Death Monster or Dark Souls the Board Game and making fighting these big monsters into a huge Monster Hunter-like event. Those cards would fill out the rest of a card blister, and honestly, probably represent a pretty cool expansion overall for a single pre-existing model.

Dudeface wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Here's a book full of rules for stuff we already sell!"

Great expansion guys.

I really hope that's a sincere comment. Them basing an expansion on models that people possibly own, rather than forking out for obscure new £60 monster.

He (like many) would complain about GW forcing people to buy new models to use the new rules, in that case!

Sometimes a company can't win.

The awesomeness of this release will obviously depend on whether rules are provided to use the models we already have (ie. not on cards only bundled with re-released old models).

 Sqorgar wrote:

Are you talking about the Ravaged Lands?

Yep, sorry, couldn't be arsed to look up the name, whatever the Warcry equivalent to Kill Team Kill Zones are called...must have got them mixed up.

I already have two sets of Morr's Garden and as such have more than enough graveyard themed terrain...so a packet of the cards from that CorpseThingy Mausoleum sold separately would have been ideal....that terrain has been around since 7th edition WFB and has already been repackaged at least twice.

Lots of stuff to preorder next week! New Ravaged land, Untamed Beast, Iron Golem and Chaos Beast box, and repack Chimera with Warcry rule.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/01/coming-soon-legends-monsters-mercenaries/

Wow! So a BIG Warcry dump to preorder next weekend

New book (hydras & terrorghiests will be fightable/tameable)

Iron golems, beastclaw, and starter set beasts available separately.

As was predicted, chimera will get its own set with rules/tokens.

New terrain set defiled ruins.

Def gonna pick up another iron golems set (need more chaos dwarfs!). Also, having an orruk warboss for your ironjawz seems pretty huge. I hope the other factions get cool stuff too.

The Nova preview already showed the mighty DarkOath Warqueen going to battle in Warcry. This seems to be a very big expansion of the core rules and content of the game and is likely really going to make it jump in a big way model wise.


Also its going to work in GW's favour because I've sort of been looking for an excuse to get a terrorgast/zombiedragon. I didn't want to build a FE army, but now I might just get the one for warcry!

Well there is likely rules for Wight King that I whined about few months ago so I am in.

Also, good excuse on getting Hydra.

These are interesting developments.

Going to be interesting to see how the rules will be available for the mercenaries. The chimera gets cards, but all those other models don't? Doesn't seem like the book will include cards either.

Somewhat frustrates me as I just got rid of a lot of big monster that I didn't think I'd need for smaller skirmish stuff. I guess if the rules somehow end up in the book than I can always proxy them in.

With the merc rules showing up that gets us one step closer to having completely unique warabnds as well.

Seeing both the box, and the zones in person, I'll just throw it out there that this terrain is amazing. Crazy to hear it, but GW did a serious great job on that boxed stuff. I can't wait to get a few sets to add to the Sector Imperialis stuff for Necromunda.

Yep, that was fast. No wonder the Nova preview didn't talk much about Warcry, we will have news soon enough this week indeed.

I too wonder how they will give away the profiles for the other monsters / mercenaries. I guess we'll know more this week.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
"Print your own" is already available if you know where to look, wink wink nudge nudge say no more.

Yup But I would like to see GW actually offer this. "Buy our products, buy our cards, buy our miniatures and our games...but for the cards that have run out, here, an updated PDF for free..."

Really interested to see how they integrate the beasts into the warbands.

One off bring down the beast or fight each other while Beast rampages around sure but this sounds like "Field a Land Raider with your Astartes Kill Team"

I think a more apt analogy would be fight the original owners of the land raider, loot the land raider, attempt to not kill yourself figuring out how to use it, and then hope it still works for you by the time you get to take it to fight your enemies.

I've been thinking perhaps we'll have generic monster and merc tables to roll off of, whereas stuff like the chimera will have a special unique set to use instead.

 Geifer wrote:
Pretty sure H.B.M.C. would rather have all new stuff than all old stuff, though.

I'd rather see them do new stuff. Them doing new stuff is what brought us Warcry in the first place. It's a shame that they're already falling back on existing minis.

That said, they are reboxing the Chimera with cards for Warcry, so that's not bad IMO.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
He (like many) would complain about GW forcing people to buy new models to use the new rules, in that case!

That literally makes no sense.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

That said, they are reboxing the Chimera with cards for Warcry, so that's not bad IMO.

Can't say it yet, until we see the price.

Wonder what's the new point ceiling for scenario with these supermen and pokemon be? 2000?

I'm really curious on this one. I'm definitely looking forward to the reviews.....though I still haven't even gotten my Core Set assembled and painted....and I have Corvus Cabal, Unmade, and the Stromvault to put together and paint......

I like the idea of mercenaries, but definitely do not like the idea of hero units being mercenaries.....seems a bit too much. I was thinking more along the lines of destruction being able to hire an Ogor or Chaos being able to hire a Chaos Warrior or what not.

Monster hunting scenarios sound awesome, that was one of the first things I wanted when we found some details out about the game. Not sure if anyone played the multiplayer Mordheim scenario where there was a monster in the center building guarding a horde of treasure and all the warbands wanted to kill it (and one another) to grab the loot.....but it was an absolute blast and I'd love to see something like that for Warcry.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Pretty sure H.B.M.C. would rather have all new stuff than all old stuff, though.

I'd rather see them do new stuff. Them doing new stuff is what brought us Warcry in the first place. It's a shame that they're already falling back on existing minis.

That said, they are reboxing the Chimera with cards for Warcry, so that's not bad IMO.

New stuff is always nice, but allowing people to use their existing models with the new game is a good thing too. Granted, it is not so exiting.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
He (like many) would complain about GW forcing people to buy new models to use the new rules, in that case!

That literally makes no sense.

Have you not seen the massive thread on 40K general where peopl complain about GW 'forcing' them to buy the new stuff they will be releasing with the Psychic Awakening? Though you're correct: it doesn't make sense.

New stuff is good. Having to re-buy old models to get new rules like happened with Kill Team was bad.

From Warcry cards for legacy factions being available on their own, we can assume they're not going down that route again.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Monster hunting scenarios sound awesome, that was one of the first things I wanted when we found some details out about the game. Not sure if anyone played the multiplayer Mordheim scenario where there was a monster in the center building guarding a horde of treasure and all the warbands wanted to kill it (and one another) to grab the loot.....but it was an absolute blast and I'd love to see something like that for Warcry.

Aye, especially if the monster is too strong to be taken down by one warband alone, forcing the players to cooperate to slay it.. up until the moment it's safe to stab the other in the back, and run away with all the loot. I love scenarios like that.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
New stuff is good. Having to re-buy old models to get new rules like happened with Kill Team was bad.

I'm doubling down on my prediction that the monster hunts will have some sort of AI card deal going for it (like Kingdom Death Monster and Dark Souls). They way they are focusing on the Chimera and even rereleasing it with all the rules cards makes me think there is something more substantial there. No way they are going to make an old model the centerpiece of a new release with just a single stat card to justify repackaging it. If that's the case, this isn't just a matter of new rules for old models.

Of course, I've been wrong before.

I’d like that, if it worked a bit like a Kingdom Death.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/02/monsters-mercenaries-awesomeness-for-everyone/

Update!
It seems that monsters will not be AI controlled nor will they feature in standard battles. Instead one player plays the monster the other the warband.

The Mercenaries sounds interesting too as whilst they've added around 50 mercenary units from the game; they've also noted that a regular "matched play" style warband will only have one mercenary. Whilst a campaign one can, of course, have more if you've earned it.


Overall it sounds good though curious that you're not required to "subtle" team up with an opponent against an npc/AI monster. Then again AI monsters is something GW has never done before and might be worried about trying at present, esp on a free movement board rather htan on a hexgrid, where at least the monsters potential movement "choices" are more streamlined.

Prices

Monsters and Mercenaries €20 £15 $25
Chimera €35 £27.50 $45
Defiled Ruins €70 £55 $90
Chaotic Beasts €35 £27.50 $45
Iron Golems €40 £30 $50
Untamed Beasts €40 £30 $50

 Overread wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/02/monsters-mercenaries-awesomeness-for-everyone/

Update!
It seems that monsters will not be AI controlled nor will they feature in standard battles. Instead one player plays the monster the other the warband.

The Mercenaries sounds interesting too as whilst they've added around 50 mercenary units from the game; they've also noted that a regular "matched play" style warband will only have one mercenary. Whilst a campaign one can, of course, have more if you've earned it.


Overall it sounds good though curious that you're not required to "subtle" team up with an opponent against an npc/AI monster. Then again AI monsters is something GW has never done before and might be worried about trying at present, esp on a free movement board rather htan on a hexgrid, where at least the monsters potential movement "choices" are more streamlined.

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 Overread wrote:

Update!
It seems that monsters will not be AI controlled nor will they feature in standard battles. Instead one player plays the monster the other the warband.

I'm slightly disappointed by this, but I have no one to blame but myself for it. It does make the repackaging of the Chimera into a bit more of a weird move though. And with 50 mercenaries, how are we going to get their data cards? The new campaign quests, open to everybody, is pretty exciting though. Seems like this will broaden the campaign possibilities quite a bit.