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You know that's a pointless comparison, so why make it?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You know that's a pointless comparison, so why make it?

They're both multipart plastic miniatures, how is it a pointless comparison?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You know that's a pointless comparison, so why make it?

Because he wants to make a point.

Not the same scale, not the same size, not the same universe, not the same mold lines...

It's like saying "look at the price of a tesla and a volkswagen, why even take a tesla !!". It's because the one saying that has an agenda by doing so (ie "feth Tesla !").


Anyway, historical ranges have been here for decades. If everyone is not already playing Saga right now, it's because not everyone has an interest in doing so. Simply put that way.

In other words : the price isn't the only factor playing here.

So that's an across the board increase on Warcry stuff, right? Terrain excluded, but it doesn't seem like they sell Warcy terrain boxes anymore going off the German webstore?

Or did anything actually escape the price hike?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Red Harvest £130 -> £135
Catacombs £125 -> £135
Tome of Champions £20 -> £22

"And to make sure that it remains easy to get started with Warhammer, we worked to exclude most Starter Sets from the changes."

Seems it's getting easier to not start new games...

Why would you want people to start your game? What kind of ridiculous business plan is that?

Sarouan wrote:

Not the same scale, not the same size, not the same universe, not the same mold lines...

So which of those factors makes Warhams subject to inflation and historicals not?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

Not the same scale, not the same size, not the same universe, not the same mold lines...

So which of those factors makes Warhams subject to inflation and historicals not?

They are, but you know full well that historicals are intrisically cheaper than fantasy/sci-fi by their very nature of being historicals. A huge portion of the work is already done for you through history books/internet. A fairer comparison would be comparing something like Infinity or PP or something along that nature.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

Not the same scale, not the same size, not the same universe, not the same mold lines...

So which of those factors makes Warhams subject to inflation and historicals not?

They are, but you know full well that historicals are intrisically cheaper than fantasy/sci-fi by their very nature of being historicals. A huge portion of the work is already done for you through history books/internet. A fairer comparison would be comparing something like Infinity or PP or something along that nature.

...I mean, a majority of the work for ANY Marine related GW release has already been done before as well. Most of the Marine boxes recycle the same armor designs but "with a twist".

And hot dang, PP and Corvus Belli are NOWHERE near a fair comparison, they don't even use the same materials.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

Not the same scale, not the same size, not the same universe, not the same mold lines...

So which of those factors makes Warhams subject to inflation and historicals not?

They are, but you know full well that historicals are intrisically cheaper than fantasy/sci-fi by their very nature of being historicals. A huge portion of the work is already done for you through history books/internet. A fairer comparison would be comparing something like Infinity or PP or something along that nature.

I assure you for almost anything outside the most charismatic factions WW2 and onwards, researching a historically accurate depiction takes more work than drawing a sketch of a Spehss Mahreen.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
*laughs in Victrix*





And there are proper, high detail, multipart minis with weapon options, full command, a billion variant heads, etc, etc.



Methinks soon we might all be playing SAGA or whatever.

If only that was what drove the market. Part of GW's dominance is the ability to find someone who plays the game anywhere. I am lucky to have lots of FLGS within an hours drive of me, but while some push other games, they all have dedicated nights and weekends for 40K, AOS and the boxed games. The stores that support Privateer press have disappeared (poor PP, that'll teach you to make transitions to crappy materials). Warlord, Mantic and others have just not been able to get off the ground with a competitive edge.

There is a dedicated thread for the price discussion, could you kindly continue it there?

As an aside, Element has Red Harvest on sale right now at £85. Might be worth it if anyone was considering it. As the warbands are probably going to hit £30 a piece discounted now, an extra £25 for all the scenery sounds very good.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
As an aside, Element has Red Harvest on sale right now at £85. Might be worth it if anyone was considering it. As the warbands are probably going to hit £30 a piece discounted now, an extra £25 for all the scenery sounds very good.

Really just waiting to see the full reveal of what Underworlds warbands can be taken in which Warcry factions before I get Red Harvest.

I know Godsworn Hunt can be taken in the standard Slaves To Darkness warband... but I want the Underworlds barbarians in the Warcry barbarian warband dangit.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You know that's a pointless comparison, so why make it?

They're both multipart plastic miniatures, how is it a pointless comparison?

Because, unfortunately, the latter option comes with the additional price tag of 'and build a community from scratch'.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You know that's a pointless comparison, so why make it?

They're both multipart plastic miniatures, how is it a pointless comparison?

Because, unfortunately, the latter option comes with the additional price tag of 'and build a community from scratch'.

But aside from a store focusing on GW products... that is the norm for most games (GW included in smaller areas).

My main game now is Legion after a buddy and I started playing at my house, after playing a few games at our tiny Magic focused local store a community formed around us because we were having fun. Same with Warcry, Godtear, and now Battletech.

Didn't realize how spoiled I was growing up with pre-built gaming communities, but the leg work has to be put in by somebody at some point if you want ANY game (GW included) to be played or supported locally.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You know that's a pointless comparison, so why make it?

They're both multipart plastic miniatures, how is it a pointless comparison?

Because, unfortunately, the latter option comes with the additional price tag of 'and build a community from scratch'.

I've watched enough anime and horse cartoons to know that pulling together a ragtag group of individuals, making friends with them, and building a community is how wars are won.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You know that's a pointless comparison, so why make it?

They're both multipart plastic miniatures, how is it a pointless comparison?

Because, unfortunately, the latter option comes with the additional price tag of 'and build a community from scratch'.

But aside from a store focusing on GW products... that is the norm for most games (GW included in smaller areas).

My main game now is Legion after a buddy and I started playing at my house, after playing a few games at our tiny Magic focused local store a community formed around us because we were having fun. Same with Warcry, Godtear, and now Battletech.

Didn't realize how spoiled I was growing up with pre-built gaming communities, but the leg work has to be put in by somebody at some point if you want ANY game (GW included) to be played or supported locally.

And when that is factored in GW models are cheap by comparison. It's a lot of fething work and most of the time all it takes is something happening to that one champion for the entire community to evaporate. I'll never blame someone who chooses to put up with GW's shenanigans over that.

Sprues and Brews review - you can see the points updates there’s a lot marked with * where there is a change. Faction rune mark table updated as well Darkoath and Tarantulos are now under Chaos (Red Harvest missed that)

After pouring through my own copy, I have a lot of mixed feeling about the point changes.
Nighthaunt are still trash. Briar queen somehow made chainrasps even worse than they already were. It seems GW still charge a premium for toughness tax, and overvalue it too heavily, despite a lot of anecdotal and actual mathematical evidence contrary to what the designers assert.

Beyond that though, there is a lot to like about this annual. As a narrative player, its a whole slew of new missions and other bits to enjoy. Worth the asking price, and maybe one day GW will figure out how to git gud at pointing the models so we dont have to do it ourselves as house rules for casual games.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
As an aside, Element has Red Harvest on sale right now at £85. Might be worth it if anyone was considering it. As the warbands are probably going to hit £30 a piece discounted now, an extra £25 for all the scenery sounds very good.

Really just waiting to see the full reveal of what Underworlds warbands can be taken in which Warcry factions before I get Red Harvest.

I know Godsworn Hunt can be taken in the standard Slaves To Darkness warband... but I want the Underworlds barbarians in the Warcry barbarian warband dangit.

Yeah same.
See what I can make from it, potentially invest in RH if so..

 Wiz Warrior wrote:
After pouring through my own copy, I have a lot of mixed feeling about the point changes.
Nighthaunt are still trash. Briar queen somehow made chainrasps even worse than they already were. It seems GW still charge a premium for toughness tax, and overvalue it too heavily, despite a lot of anecdotal and actual mathematical evidence contrary to what the designers assert.

Got mine as well and while I agree with you about the toughness tax being overestimated by the designers, I think the main point of this modification about costs is more about raising the price of low cost models in general and lowering some specific profiles so that the number of models in most optimized bands doesn't get as high than before. It's still not enough to stop the problem of having more attacks being just the answer to everything and making high toughness models unnecessarily overcosted, but it helps for "softening" the gap between previous bands maintaining high number and heavy hitters too easily and "elite bands", IMHO.

Must say overall, I was very happy with the content. Underworld profiles add a whole lot of variety, especially with the optional rule to consider them as archetypes and not just named characters.

Nighthaunt all have fly--that is a massive advantage in mobility. Granted not every map will give opportunity for it, but the tactical opportunities it opens up are quite valuable. They need to be played as a mobile finesse army, despite their toughness they are not a straightforward combat warband.

I'm interested to see people say they are bad, as that is the opposite I have heard everywhere else. Our local NH player wrecked the field against all sorts of warbands, only having serious trouble against Splintered Fang for obvious reasons. Would definitely like to hear about you guys' experience, maybe we can start a thread in the appropriate subforum?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Nighthaunt all have fly--that is a massive advantage in mobility. Granted not every map will give opportunity for it, but the tactical opportunities it opens up are quite valuable. They need to be played as a mobile finesse army, despite their toughness they are not a straightforward combat warband.

I'm interested to see people say they are bad, as that is the opposite I have heard everywhere else. Our local NH player wrecked the field against all sorts of warbands, only having serious trouble against Splintered Fang for obvious reasons. Would definitely like to hear about you guys' experience, maybe we can start a thread in the appropriate subforum?

I think thats a good idea to avoid clogging up N&R. Would you do the honors? I will definitely engage, as Nighthaunt are my main Warcry warband out of sheer love of the models. I have much to say on this subject, boht objectively and anecdotally.

Done

And we're back, Warhammer Fest reveals

New location the Gnarlwood in Ghur

The couple of figures without armour look pretty terrible to me, the rest are agreeable... but uh, Chaos Dwarves?

We Mordcry now

Look like another season of skip. Althought they do look better than the Red Harvest Spiders.

Im a little luke warm to the Hasn't warband as I wish they had stuck more to Chaos+ The Assyrian empire vibe. (I'm 100% fine with them all.being humans, funny enough)

however I'll still.end up getting them. They probably have a ton of.comversion potential.

Are they (the HoH) replacing the Iron Golems from the original Warcry release?

The Golems seem to expunged from the website.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warcry-Iron-Golem-2019
And their background is... not particularly different (destroy and replace with dark industry!)

Voss wrote:
Are they (the HoH) replacing the Iron Golems from the original Warcry release?

The Golems seem to expunged from the website.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warcry-Iron-Golem-2019
And their background is... not particularly different (destroy and replace with dark industry!)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/searchResults?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=-439799434230329116&qty=&sorting=&view=&Ntt=iron+golem

Both Iron Golem sets are still on the UK site and they are in the S2D leak so they are sticking around in some form.