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 DaveC wrote:
No surprise that they are moving to Killteam type release pattern. Will that mean 1 new warband and 1 existing models with an upgrade sprue? Unique warbands is open to interpretation. Next box set should be telling.

With the terrain rules and warband campaigns now in a different book to the rules, we'll probably see a KT-alike release of the book as an overpriced standalone with the terrain and warbands when released individually.

Ugh, $40-50 basic rulebook would/will be a pain.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Ugh, $40-50 basic rulebook would/will be a pain.

And don't forget the Alliance tomes will be reissued at about the same price. So $50 Core plus $45-50 Chaos tome for the updated stats at the very least. I've Chaos, Order, and Death warbands, and I'm sure others are in the same boat.

That’s pretty much the core plus forces separate books model of KT, if that’s how they’re going.

We played KT18 and Warcry both just using the core books (plus cheapish warcry card packs for non core forces) and it was enjoyable.

Dropped out of KT after new edition. Most local players just went back to 40k. This new edition will probably finish off the small group of local warcry gaming.

 privateer4hire wrote:


Dropped out of KT after new edition. Most local players just went back to 40k. This new edition will probably finish off the small group of local warcry gaming.

Not really, all old books are still compatible with this "new edition", since the rules actually don't change in opposition to last edition of Kill Team. So us in the existing community don't really have to update anything and keep playing.

Besides, cards are still around and on the contrary of Kill Team, the actual number of rules you need for your faction is much lower. I mean, there is no "separate stratagem card" in Warcry.

We'll be fine, don't worry.

Sarouan wrote:

Not really, all old books are still compatible with this "new edition", since the rules actually don't change in opposition to last edition of Kill Team. So us in the existing community don't really have to update anything and keep playing.

Do you a quote on this? I don't remember any mention. On the contrary, unless I have missed a memo GW has been suspiciously quiet about compatibility of rules and hasn't shown even a glimpse of a single fighter card yet.

I agree on "we will be fine" part but I have a feeling that good number of printed material won't survive long in Heart of Ghur.

jullevi wrote:


Do you a quote on this? I don't remember any mention. On the contrary, unless I have missed a memo GW has been suspiciously quiet about compatibility of rules and hasn't shown even a glimpse of a single fighter card yet.

I agree on "we will be fine" part but I have a feeling that good number of printed material won't survive long in Heart of Ghur.

They have an article, next week, highlighting the changes in the new edition. Apparently most of the new core book will be familiar to existing players, but I'm assuming new edition, new core book.

For example; if I bought the current rule book, right now, it will probably be out of date just enough to be a waste of money.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Ugh, $40-50 basic rulebook would/will be a pain.

And don't forget the Alliance tomes will be reissued at about the same price. So $50 Core plus $45-50 Chaos tome for the updated stats at the very least. I've Chaos, Order, and Death warbands, and I'm sure others are in the same boat.

Eh, those aren't essential for play though, as anyone with a starter box will have all the stats they need. Ultimately I'm not concerned about my expense--breaking things down it works out to $10 per month or less for items I get a lot of use from (and I get all the books too), I'm concerned about the sticker shock for people getting in. Once the threshold goes above $100 to play that is a breaking point for many people. Makes it harder to get new players.

Rotmire Creed focus:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/18/the-rotmire-creed-rise-up-from-the-swamp-to-share-their-deadly-toxins/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warcry&utm_content=warcry-faction-1&fbclid=IwAR2KjMyxY1nBwstkpi4DvYKgaSX1WjXr_LFf6gjv27kB4VGCMJjpEzrzgvA

Yah! Stat cards look to be the exact same as the current edition - which I hope means all the previous Warbands will be playable without additional purchases.

Except for reactions possibly giving new gangs a boost or at least more options

 privateer4hire wrote:
Except for reactions possibly giving new gangs a boost or at least more options

Very true. In my opinion, best case scenario is GW releases a unique for reaction for each old faction as a PDF (should be easy as they look to be one to two sentences max). More likely they have a list of generic ones that older factions can choose from in the new rulebook. Worst case (and with how GW is generally, most likely) they rerelease all their books with all the old factions having the exact same stats/abilities and simply add a one sentence reaction to them. If the third option is the case I’m using Wahpedia to grab that one sentence, because there is no way in hell I would pay for that.

Groan…. They are really trying to squeeze as much cash as they can out with these releases. Wanted to see warbands, not a blasted boxed set paywall for day one access to them.

Horns focus:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/20/the-horns-of-hashut-bring-misery-death-and-fiery-destruction-to-the-new-edition-of-warcry/

And yes, these apparently are the vanguard (chaff) of the main chaos dwarf forces. Also a thrid warband apparently coming out with the new box. Which i guess means warbands aren't going to be restricted to just the quarterly boxes?

These are the Blood Ravens of AoS, they have stolen a god from the dwarfs and hats from the aelves.

??? The article literally says they live among the dwarves and are used as the chaff before the main dwarf armies appear.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Horns focus:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/20/the-horns-of-hashut-bring-misery-death-and-fiery-destruction-to-the-new-edition-of-warcry/

And yes, these apparently are the vanguard (chaff) of the main chaos dwarf forces. Also a thrid warband apparently coming out with the new box. Which i guess means warbands aren't going to be restricted to just the quarterly boxes?

Also from that article...

The Horns of Hashut worship take their name from the evil duardin deity they worship, and also act as his heralds of ruination.

I know I'm the minority, but these warbands (and the terrain) really do absolutely nothing for me.

I'm not sure what it is, to be honest. They definitely have unique sculpts and a theme.

It's been the same for most of the "original" warcry warbands with me as well. I think the only one that even had me slightly interested was the Iron Golems.

I think it's because they're 99% just human dudes/dudettes, maybe? But, then again, if they released a warband of all warrior priests and witch hunters, I'd be on that like white on rice! Maybe the chaotic aesthetic isn't for me, I guess.

I do like Warcry the game, to be fair, but to date I've never bought one of these battle boxes or starter boxes.

Not really a complaint so much as an observation, as I do understand that these models are pretty beloved, since they're exploring aesthetics that aren't done anywhere else at GW.

I mean, the whole point of the game was various mortal chaos cultists running around in the wild and exploring them. The rest of the races weren't really meant to get involved, which is why the shadowstalkers are an outlier.

For me one of the big draws is that it's chaos warbands - though I would assume that'll sadly end up changing if the map is anything to go by.

Interesting the third band..


Will be legionaries? or other faction?

will be sold separately? or is it a preview of the next box?

That's a weird write-up for Hashut and the legions. If the human warbands turn up conquer and lay waste to everything, what do the actual armies do? Are they just builders for the forges and armories?

The Horns of Hashut worship take their name from the evil duardin deity they worship, and also act as his heralds of ruination. Marching ahead of his legendary duardin legions, they conquer regions, laying waste to all lifeforms, leaving behind only wastelands for sprawling daemon-forges and dark armouries. The humans that make up the Horns of Hashut have spent their lives living among the Chaos-worshipping duardin, and have long since abandoned such concepts as compassion and mercy.

Also, Hashut sounds active among his followers, setting goals and issuing orders. That's... interesting.

Voss wrote:
Also, Hashut sounds active among his followers, setting goals and issuing orders. That's... interesting.

How does that compare to material presented about him in WFB? I never owned the Chaos Dwarf book, that I recall, so I'm a bit hazy on their background.

Voss wrote:
That's a weird write-up for Hashut and the legions. If the human warbands turn up conquer and lay waste to everything, what do the actual armies do? Are they just builders for the forges and armories?

The Horns of Hashut worship take their name from the evil duardin deity they worship, and also act as his heralds of ruination. Marching ahead of his legendary duardin legions, they conquer regions, laying waste to all lifeforms, leaving behind only wastelands for sprawling daemon-forges and dark armouries. The humans that make up the Horns of Hashut have spent their lives living among the Chaos-worshipping duardin, and have long since abandoned such concepts as compassion and mercy.

Also, Hashut sounds active among his followers, setting goals and issuing orders. That's... interesting.

It sounds like the Horns are just there to get a toehold for the Legions or at least be thrown at an objective that may be deemed costly for the Legions to go at just yet. The Horns are there to create cracks in the enemy so that when Hashut’s legion descends one blow will shatter it to pieces - all for the low low cost of droves of human chaff. Once the Horns capture the vessel in an environment not suited at all for the Legion to work in then start the terraforming process then the Legions will come through and bulldoze all other resistance.

zamerion wrote:
Interesting the third band..


Will be legionaries? or other faction?

will be sold separately? or is it a preview of the next box?

Sold separately, it says that it’s coming in time for the box.


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 Dysartes wrote:

Voss wrote:
Also, Hashut sounds active among his followers, setting goals and issuing orders. That's... interesting.

How does that compare to material presented about him in WFB? I never owned the Chaos Dwarf book, that I recall, so I'm a bit hazy on their background.

Aren’t all gods in AoS just more present anyway though? Good or bad etc

I love the Hashut fluff! Hey there just trying to make the Gnarlwood a better place y’all!

Cataphract wrote:

Voss wrote:
That's a weird write-up for Hashut and the legions. If the human warbands turn up conquer and lay waste to everything, what do the actual armies do? Are they just builders for the forges and armories?

The Horns of Hashut worship take their name from the evil duardin deity they worship, and also act as his heralds of ruination. Marching ahead of his legendary duardin legions, they conquer regions, laying waste to all lifeforms, leaving behind only wastelands for sprawling daemon-forges and dark armouries. The humans that make up the Horns of Hashut have spent their lives living among the Chaos-worshipping duardin, and have long since abandoned such concepts as compassion and mercy.

Also, Hashut sounds active among his followers, setting goals and issuing orders. That's... interesting.

It sounds like the Horns are just there to get a toehold for the Legions or at least be thrown at an objective that may be deemed costly for the Legions to go at just yet. The Horns are there to create cracks in the enemy so that when Hashut’s legion descends one blow will shatter it to pieces - all for the low low cost of droves of human chaff. Once the Horns capture the vessel in an environment not suited at all for the Legion to work in then start the terraforming process then the Legions will come through and bulldoze all other resistance.

Annoy the Hashut, get the Horns?

Interesting to hear we are getting a third new Warband. I'm liking the Horns of Hashut fluff quite a bit - sounds like to me they go into untamed areas and set up a staging area for the Chaos Dwarves to come in and set up shop.

Seriously considering picking up the box set, I actually like warbands and fluff for them more as I look into them a bit. I know a lot of people aren't fans of Chaos-centric model of Warcry - but I personally love it. I always liked the contained story setting games, like Mordheim better.

So hobgoblins and now the horns of hashut. How much longer are they going to blue ball us on the legions?

JSG wrote:
So hobgoblins and now the horns of hashut. How much longer are they going to blue ball us on the legions?

Somewhat. Hobgrots in the Orruck Warclans do still work with the Chaos Dwarfs - they sell the slaves the captured in raids to the Chaos Dwarfs in exchange for cast off weapons and supplies.