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There's new rules and stuff coming, the warbands tend to come with that stuff. I'd assume a reprint might be in the wings.

 Sabotage! wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Ugh Compendium incoming - could be worse at least everything is in 1 book rather than 4.

Of course, you’ll also be able to bring your warbands from the first edition of Warcry into the Gnarlwood. More than 800 fighters are getting fully updated rules, including new profiles and warband reactions, all of which you’ll be able to find in the Warcry Compendium, which will be out just a couple of weeks after the new boxed set. This weighty tome covers every warband from Grand Alliance Order, Chaos, Death, and Destruction, alongside their Allies, Monsters and Thralls. It’s the essential companion for any existing Warcry player.

I'm kind of wary on this too....though I do agree 1 book is a much better option than 4. I guess it depends on how the "new profiles" are. If they actually took the the time to rebalance the stats of some of the weaker factions (Iron Golems and Fyreslayers come to mind) and tone down some of the stronger stuff - I have absolutely no problem paying for a new book for the new edition. If it is literally just copy/pasted old stuff with a one or two sentence reaction that feels a bit cheap.

Very much agreed.

 Accolade wrote:
I see a lot of the original warbands are sold out- no longer available on the US GW website. I wonder if this means they’re done producing them or if they’ll be repackaged.

Also makes me wonder if I should pick some of them up online before the prices balloon.

They moved to the Slaves to Darkness army section of Age of Sigmar a while back. They were reboxed for $15 more but with double the model count. They don’t have the physical cards but some were outdated anyway (and all will be when next version drops).

Strange that they are listed as sold out.

It might be that after several balance passes GW is going to update the cards in the box for those forces and thus they are sold out (esp overseas) whilst GW waits for a fresh wave of reprints. However GW are REALLY strange in that whilst they love cards they only ever seem to make one big order and then never or rarely, re-order.

It would be a shame for them to go the Underworlds pathway with this game of either retiring the models with cards options and just having models for sale only; or retiring them into the range rotation.

At the same time only 1 of the warband sets (with new models) is non-slaves to darkness.

Heart of Ghur is £140, €180 (Red Harvest was £135, €175)

Oh hey, that's neat. The last price increase gets superseded after four months. I was afraid we'd have to put up with stable prices for a whole year.

A Photon Mono is €179

gg

Ooof, less terrain AND a jacked up price? Easy pass for me.

Seems solid to me since it comes with a rulebook. It is pricey, but the Warcry kits are more or less the highest quality miniatures out there. At least for me, since the break hazard on resin is very real

I could be blinded by how much I love those long, hard, woody shafts of bamboo sticking up and out and touching everything.

Rip Warcry at those prices.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A Photon Mono is €179

gg

Good for you. Plenty of us prefer genuine products instead.

It's a bit steep for my taste but not unaffordable. I might wait for a while before investing though. It's not the price of any single box that scares me, it's the thought of buying four boxes for a season to complete a set.

Sooo about the Legionnaires, I just remembered this ~2018 AOS image with a bunch of similarly equipped folks apparently fighting Chaos (left half, compare the helmets, round shields etc) - throwaway concept or possible non-chaos Cities of Sigmar equivalent? Sorry if this was discussed before, didn't see it in this thread tho.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A Photon Mono is €179

gg

You still have to pay the resin, the printer alone won't print anything without it.

Also, you'll need good resin. Not cheap, brittle one that snaps when you have the unfortune to grab it a bit too strong. Don't forget the products needed to wash it after printing.

Oh, and also pay for the files that have the same quality for the terrain and miniatures you want.

But otherwise, after another 100 €, yeah you can have your fun with your new printed miniatures.


(I own one, by the way, so I know the true cost of all you really need for 3D printing. It's more expensive than a mere Heart of Ghur box, not even talking about VAT and import taxes of course - all of those that are already included in the GW prices, by the way )



As for this new edition...I'm waiting to see the real changes of the rules. I'm a bit raising my eyebrows at these new "profiles", they look awfully exactly the same than before so far. If the real change is just bringing new reactions...That's not really new, actually (they were introduced in a previous Warcry compendium, after all).

Sarouan wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A Photon Mono is €179

gg

You still have to pay the resin, the printer alone won't print anything without it.

Also, you'll need good resin. Not cheap, brittle one that snaps when you have the unfortune to grab it a bit too strong. Don't forget the products needed to wash it after printing.

Oh, and also pay for the files that have the same quality for the terrain and miniatures you want.

But otherwise, after another 100 €, yeah you can have your fun with your new printed miniatures.


(I own one, by the way, so I know the true cost of all you really need for 3D printing. It's more expensive than a mere Heart of Ghur box, not even talking about VAT and import taxes of course - all of those that are already included in the GW prices, by the way )



As for this new edition...I'm waiting to see the real changes of the rules. I'm a bit raising my eyebrows at these new "profiles", they look awfully exactly the same than before so far. If the real change is just bringing new reactions...That's not really new, actually (they were introduced in a previous Warcry compendium, after all).

Don't feed the troll... He's clearly not interested in a proper discussion.

SKR.HH wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A Photon Mono is €179

gg

You still have to pay the resin, the printer alone won't print anything without it.

Also, you'll need good resin. Not cheap, brittle one that snaps when you have the unfortune to grab it a bit too strong. Don't forget the products needed to wash it after printing.

Oh, and also pay for the files that have the same quality for the terrain and miniatures you want.

But otherwise, after another 100 €, yeah you can have your fun with your new printed miniatures.


(I own one, by the way, so I know the true cost of all you really need for 3D printing. It's more expensive than a mere Heart of Ghur box, not even talking about VAT and import taxes of course - all of those that are already included in the GW prices, by the way )



As for this new edition...I'm waiting to see the real changes of the rules. I'm a bit raising my eyebrows at these new "profiles", they look awfully exactly the same than before so far. If the real change is just bringing new reactions...That's not really new, actually (they were introduced in a previous Warcry compendium, after all).

Don't feed the troll... He's clearly not interested in a proper discussion.

"Everyone I don't agree with is a troll
Even if they've been on this side for over a decade more than me and have thousands more posts."

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Spoiler:

SKR.HH wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A Photon Mono is €179

gg

You still have to pay the resin, the printer alone won't print anything without it.

Also, you'll need good resin. Not cheap, brittle one that snaps when you have the unfortune to grab it a bit too strong. Don't forget the products needed to wash it after printing.

Oh, and also pay for the files that have the same quality for the terrain and miniatures you want.

But otherwise, after another 100 €, yeah you can have your fun with your new printed miniatures.


(I own one, by the way, so I know the true cost of all you really need for 3D printing. It's more expensive than a mere Heart of Ghur box, not even talking about VAT and import taxes of course - all of those that are already included in the GW prices, by the way )



As for this new edition...I'm waiting to see the real changes of the rules. I'm a bit raising my eyebrows at these new "profiles", they look awfully exactly the same than before so far. If the real change is just bringing new reactions...That's not really new, actually (they were introduced in a previous Warcry compendium, after all).

Don't feed the troll... He's clearly not interested in a proper discussion.

"Everyone I don't agree with is a troll
Even if they've been on this side for over a decade more than me and have thousands more posts."

Nope... But he's comparing a) apples to oranges (which means he takes RRP for the set vs. cheapest price for the printer), b) based on an offer that is not widely accessible (--> because that price only applies when shipping to ES or PT) and c) does not take into account the maintenance costs of printing and d) does not take into account the price of getting a 3d model and ...

Shall I continue?

The 3D printing discussion is offtopic anyway. But why is it still a discussion at this point?

If you don’t own a printer and want something like the models from the Heart of Ghur box (even if just the plastic, ignoring the paper/cardboard stuff): better buy the box. Apart from ‚hidden‘ costs you save yourself a lot of hassle with setting up, cleaning etc.

If you need another hobby and/or want a large number of minis at a more affordable price: get a printer.

I have a Mars 3, I like it and am probably past breaking even with costs. But I still buy the plastic minis which I like.

Changes to the rules...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/25/the-heart-of-ghur-all-the-big-rules-changes-in-warcrys-new-edition/

Basically reactions and campaign "camps", and new "updated" rules for existing warbands...

SamusDrake wrote:
Changes to the rules...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/25/the-heart-of-ghur-all-the-big-rules-changes-in-warcrys-new-edition/

Basically reactions and campaign "camps", and new "updated" rules for existing warbands...

Perfect, more money for kill team!

"This box of 20 minis costs the same as a machine that makes minis" is a valid argument.

I've had printers for 3 years now and I've still bought all the Warcry sets up to Red Harvest so far... even Catacombs. But this is my breaking point. GW is back to 2010 level completely insane greed. No doubt defended by trolls screaming production costs are through the roof... yes, thanks to Wargames Atlantic, we know exactly how much. Pennies per box. There's no justification for a 40% price increase compred to the original starter 3 years ago, with significantly less stuff in the box to boot.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Rip Warcry at those prices.

Not at all. There’s already a dedicated core of folks that will buy this AND defend the prices as justified.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A Photon Mono is €179

gg

Excelent way to get health issues from poison fumes.


Also then either different looking models or you support talentless copycat leeches(likely outsourcinj stl file design to india/china for cheap workforce since no talent needed)

 lord_blackfang wrote:
"This box of 20 minis costs the same as a machine that makes minis" is a valid argument.

I've had printers for 3 years now and I've still bought all the Warcry sets up to Red Harvest so far... even Catacombs. But this is my breaking point. GW is back to 2010 level completely insane greed. No doubt defended by trolls screaming production costs are through the roof... yes, thanks to Wargames Atlantic, we know exactly how much. Pennies per box. There's no justification for a 40% price increase compred to the original starter 3 years ago, with significantly less stuff in the box to boot.

The justification is "there's a sucker born every minute"

I am tentatively excited for the new counter rules. It seems neat. I am more concerned if they balanced the warbands better in the new compendium. Some of the warbands are just dreadful to play.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I am tentatively excited for the new counter rules. It seems neat. I am more concerned if they balanced the warbands better in the new compendium. Some of the warbands are just dreadful to play.

I really don't mind the new counter rule they have shown, had more than a few feels bad moments when my Beasts Of Chaos Bullgor leader rolls three 6's to hit it just nukes something by doing 24 damage.

Having even a relatively weak way to respond is better than having no response.

It also makes you have to think more about how you use wounded fighters, and the generic healing ability since you now have to consider if your target has activated yet, how much life does your fighter have left, and do you heal them or use a combat buff on them.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I really don't mind the new counter rule they have shown, had more than a few feels bad moments when my Beasts Of Chaos Bullgor leader rolls three 6's to hit it just nukes something by doing 24 damage.

Having even a relatively weak way to respond is better than having no response.

It also makes you have to think more about how you use wounded fighters, and the generic healing ability since you now have to consider if your target has activated yet, how much life does your fighter have left, and do you heal them or use a combat buff on them.

Yeah, and I appreciate that it's in keeping with the overall feel of the game. It isn't really adding much, since it costs an action. In fact, it almost makes the Wait Action worth using sometimes.

 Geifer wrote:
Oh hey, that's neat. The last price increase gets superseded after four months. I was afraid we'd have to put up with stable prices for a whole year.

I think they'll raise prices across the board again before the year is over.

SamusDrake wrote:Changes to the rules...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/25/the-heart-of-ghur-all-the-big-rules-changes-in-warcrys-new-edition/

Basically reactions and campaign "camps", and new "updated" rules for existing warbands...

Reactions act differently than the previous version in the compendium (that used "left over" singles from your wild dice), but otherwise yes, there's no real earthshaking change. Good for me, means all the previous books I have are still easily usable.

We'll see the new campaign rules. I'll treat that as just another compendium with cool minis inside.


As far as I saw in the video, honestly reactions are mostly situationnal and really interesting if you play campaign rules and have fighters with levels of renown. Not sure "counter" is really worth losing one action. IMHO it doesn't have the same impact than in Horus Heresy...yet, it gives the "wait" action more purpose, which is honestly what it needed.

lord_blackfang wrote:"This box of 20 minis costs the same as a machine that makes minis" is a valid argument.

The same argument than making your own meals instead of buying it already made. It has no real validity in itself, simply depends of many factors...not everyone can afford the learning curve, space and investment a 3D printer asks for. And yeah, risking health issues if you value keeping it dirt cheap is also another decision not all will think it worth to be taken.

Honestly, if it's your breaking point after buying Catacombs, feel free. To me, this starter box has more value than Catacombs but hey, your point of view, not mine.

Wow. I want Heart of Ghur, it looks neat, but these prices..... Forget it.

The funniest part of people saying "wow not at this price" is that once the limited box will be no longer available, buying the separate parts that will be sold later will be actually -more- expensive.

But honestly, I'm amazed people actually -keep- getting surprised (or fake being surprised) at the price when they get revealed. It's GW. You get all these reactions everytime. Not even talking about the same people writing the same things over and over.

At one point, one should remember that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting things to change magically by themselves. That's never going to happen.

If you feel it's too expensive for you, fine. Understandable. If you say it all the time and "faking" it like it's new /last time for you -this time-...well, don't be surprised if you are the one being mocked here.

And let's be honest : what price would you have thought this box would have been sold by GW, knowing the current situation we are in Europe right now with all energy / transport prices up everywhere ? 90 euros ?