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 Kanluwen wrote:
I think I'm seeing the issue...

For you, the fact that it's not a warband of generics kills the value.

For me? It's a legitimate starter set. The Bladeborn setup lets you add them to warbands they're tied to.

I really don't think you do. It's a crappy starter. It doesn't really let you play the game, and while you can expand the Bladorn stuff, it's gonna be expensive compared to just buying a second box of a bespoke warband.

I'm not holding GW to some unrealistic standard here. the KT starter is a full game, albeit with limited terrain. the 40k Ultimate starter lets you play a legit combat patrol game, with terrain, for $210.

Look, I mean, I'm sure it's for somebody. the value simply isn't great (two $42 warbands plus a single terrain sprue for $110, and the dice aren't even the nicer Warcry dice) but I don't like that they list it as "two full warbands" when that's true in the sense that no words have fixed meanings, but isn't true in the sense that anybody that plays Warcry would consider something "full."

I'm not saying this as a person bummed about the product for myself. I have every Warcry big box (except catacombs) and most of the warbands/monsters. I don't need a good cheap starter. But I really like Warcry, and I can't in good conscious recommend this starter to anybody new. For the money, I would suggest just grabbing a bespoke starter, or a even just a unit box and a character for something they like. Or, and I just checked this, buying Red harvest or Sundered Fate off amazon for $124.

Only $124? For all that terrain? Oh no. This is going to end poorly for me.

No One Important wrote:
Only $124? For all that terrain? Oh no. This is going to end poorly for me.

Especially when you try to build the Red Harvest terrain. Oh, and then when you try to paint it, beacuse it all has chaos trim

 Polonius wrote:
But I really like Warcry, and I can't in good conscious recommend this starter to anybody new. For the money, I would suggest just grabbing a bespoke starter, or a even just a unit box and a character for something they like. Or, and I just checked this, buying Red harvest or Sundered Fate off amazon for $124.

Agreed. Or, alternatively, drop another $30 and grab Heart of Ghur.

This new starter box is booty AF.

I see no reason they’d be killing off the game..
We’ve just had confirmation of what 6 more factions warbands (and presumably two more to keep to a season of 8)

Also yes I see that the road maps are worded differently. But possibly just designed by different people.
I also see no reason they’d change from The definitely successful sell out season boxes..

But we will see I guess

Its more of a shame than a sign of the game on its way out. The basic rules and faction lists are still available to download and tokens are an easy first craft project for a beginner.

Edit: Not sure whats going on with the video as its linking to some online store instead, so I've deleted the link.

I can't think why GW would want to put Warcry on the way out.

It's a solid intro game for so many people and has had reliably some of the best sculpting for AoS. Heck they've only recently started adding more warbands other than Chaos.

Warcry is a solid game on its own, actually. Simple rules to learn and use, fast games yet still very tactical, clever use of different combinations of victory conditions without them being a complex math formula to determine who's winning (I'm looking at you, W40k...), doesn't take much space to play...to me, it has potential to have the aura of Mordheim in the future, in case GW stupidly decides to ruin its rules or stop supporting it.

I do agree this new starter is a disappointment. Warcry deserves better, IMHO.

Underworlds Starter wasn’t as good either was it?
Money making perspective they’re good though.

You buy (or as a perfect example, get bought as a gift). You get “half” the full Warcry game but enough to make you like it.
So then you need to either buy a full box from the seasons at a high price. Or you buy warband boxes, books, more terrain, bits. Whatever.

It’s all extra money.

Heart of Ghur is no longer available in the UK. Makes sense they want some sort of starter box, especially if it looks like they're not rolling right into another season with a new starter.

Have the Wildercorps guys come and gone already? Or are they still inbound? They’re the first gw kit in awhile that caught my attention.

They have not arrived yet.

Them and the Kruleboyz are both likely to be solo releases right off the bat, as there are a number of warbands coming that seem to be tied more to the Dawnbringer series.

Got it. Thanks. Will keep watching the skies

Hunter and Hunted reveal. Gorgers are a surprise addition, they look great but the leaders T pose could be better. A versus box is an interesting new way to sell them and I guess it won't be much cheaper than a full set but at least there isn't yet more meat trees. The Mawpit is a great piece terrain. I can see this one being popular with the wider AoS player base as the contents are likely to be locked in for at least 3 months. Still the 4th warband from Order to go and probably a versus box with the Kruleboyz so the rumoured Kurnothi seems like a good call.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/31/nova-open-preview-the-gorger-mawpack-prepare-to-make-a-meal-out-of-the-wildercorps/

Love it. And the fact it's a "smaller" Vs box. I'm going to guess around the £65 mark

Were they specifically called a Versus box?
On stream? I missed that section.

Definitely seem to be looking at a smaller box and change instyle, but good to see they’re still doing the dual boxes.

Gorgers remind me about Bone Tomahawk movie. I love them!

The sculpts look amazing, GW designers have been knocking out 11/10s as of late. Dynamic poses, great details, minis got character again etc.

And also props to GW for realizing people don't want 200 sprues of terrain and are doing smaller boxes with 2x warbands + 1 new scenery.

If this is a taste of what's to come, it's going to be a painful time for my wallet...

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Love it. And the fact it's a "smaller" Vs box. I'm going to guess around the £65 mark

I hope you are right but my guess is that you are not.
I don't think they will price it the same as the starter box. Sure its missing the tokens and the dice but it has 2 full warbands instead of 2 half warbands.
I hope it's gonna be somewhere around £85 and not close to £100 because I really like it...

Won't be a hundred. That's basically what the full boxes were and this has only got one terrain piece. Admittedly though it's a chunky one.

This set was the best thing in the reveals for me, those ogres are really cool and will work in other games too.

Terrain piece is a disappointment, but at least it isn't more of the same two tree sculpts.

Warbands look very cool.

Now this is a buy for me. Its the only one of the recent Warcry releases where I like both warbands.

They're clearly no longer afraid to hedge their bets. This is a beast claw raiders box as much as it is a warcry box, and god bless GW for realizing that's why they sold so many kill team boxes season one.

For Warcry, I like this a lot. It's a great central terrain piece for warcry, that's also useful for AOS (or honestly a weird 40k/sci board), the Gorgers aren't my thing but I imagine will have a brisk secondary market, and the mordheim, I mean Cities of Sigmar huntsmen are just amazing. I'm legitimately concerned that they'll hook me into collecting htat army, and I dont' even play AOS.

 Polonius wrote:
For Warcry, I like this a lot. It's a great central terrain piece for warcry, that's also useful for AOS (or honestly a weird 40k/sci board), the Gorgers aren't my thing but I imagine will have a brisk secondary market, and the mordheim, I mean Cities of Sigmar huntsmen are just amazing. I'm legitimately concerned that they'll hook me into collecting htat army, and I dont' even play AOS.

100% agree. Hope we get a few more of these, honestly. Two new warbands plus a new, themed terrain piece is perfect.

 gorgon wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
For Warcry, I like this a lot. It's a great central terrain piece for warcry, that's also useful for AOS (or honestly a weird 40k/sci board), the Gorgers aren't my thing but I imagine will have a brisk secondary market, and the mordheim, I mean Cities of Sigmar huntsmen are just amazing. I'm legitimately concerned that they'll hook me into collecting htat army, and I dont' even play AOS.

100% agree. Hope we get a few more of these, honestly. Two new warbands plus a new, themed terrain piece is perfect.

I like that they called out that this is an entirely valid alternate version of the AoS faction terrain, too. Hopefully that becomes a trend.

Great box. I expect the price to be only marginally less than boxes with the full board of terrain, of course...

Loving that Gorgers come in large enough numbers to be a functional Kings of War monstrous infantry unit, too, as that's where my Gutbusters reside nowadays.

And the other gang is basically Mordheim.

10/10 box, outside the price

 Platuan4th wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
For Warcry, I like this a lot. It's a great central terrain piece for warcry, that's also useful for AOS (or honestly a weird 40k/sci board), the Gorgers aren't my thing but I imagine will have a brisk secondary market, and the mordheim, I mean Cities of Sigmar huntsmen are just amazing. I'm legitimately concerned that they'll hook me into collecting htat army, and I dont' even play AOS.

100% agree. Hope we get a few more of these, honestly. Two new warbands plus a new, themed terrain piece is perfect.

I like that they called out that this is an entirely valid alternate version of the AoS faction terrain, too. Hopefully that becomes a trend.

I love AOS terrain, which is hilarious since I don't play it, but it's GORGEOUS. I regret selling some of what I had, but I've collected all the Warcry terrain aside from Catacombs, and while I certainly don't need that many murder trees for warcry, I'm looking at a pretty neat death world table...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Great box. I expect the price to be only marginally less than boxes with the full board of terrain, of course...

Loving that Gorgers come in large enough numbers to be a functional Kings of War monstrous infantry unit, too, as that's where my Gutbusters reside nowadays.

And the other gang is basically Mordheim.

10/10 box, outside the price

Yeah, I REALLY like both the warbands in this set. I'm also happy GW realized not everyone wants tons and tons of repeats of the same terrain (and this coming from someone who didn't pick up any of the Ghur boxed sets because I didn't like the full contents of any box), and just using one unique piece that can slot into whatever terrain set up you are using. I'm hoping the box will be around 120 or 130 USD because of the reduction in terrain, but with GW being GW I fear it will be closer to 160 USD. I would still probably pick it up because I like everything in the box (including the new Sarlaac Pit), but wouldn't be very happy with the price.

It's a great set, new gorgers are long overdue, the original sculpt wasn't great.

Not into Warcry, but for 6e Fantasy, ToW, Kings of War and Mordheim Witch Hunters, the set is great.

The gorgers will make perfect Cavern Dwellers for my Northern Alliance army. I can see people using them for LotR Cave Trolls too.

I like the terrain too, anything made from giant bones fits great into a fantastical setting.