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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I know GW naming is what it is but sometimes units come out that seem particularly egregious to me. What's wrong with "mire troggoth"? They already have their copywrite-but-not-really thing with "Breaka-Boss" so did they just have to throw in an extra noun? And why not just "killbow"? That actually seems like a reasonable and suitable orky name, but noooo it needs to be a "beast-skewer killbow".

Honestly I'd've left it at "Beast-Skewer Bow". It's the extra "kill" in there that makes it egregious.

As for the Troll, I guess they just wanted to define another type beyond 'Stone', 'River' and 'Normal'.

Yeah, 'Boltboyz' would be a perfectly serviceable and Orky name, but noooo.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I know GW naming is what it is but sometimes units come out that seem particularly egregious to me. What's wrong with "mire troggoth"? They already have their copywrite-but-not-really thing with "Breaka-Boss" so did they just have to throw in an extra noun? And why not just "killbow"? That actually seems like a reasonable and suitable orky name, but noooo it needs to be a "beast-skewer killbow".

Honestly I'd've left it at "Beast-Skewer Bow". It's the extra "kill" in there that makes it egregious.

As for the Troll, I guess they just wanted to define another type beyond 'Stone', 'River' and 'Normal'.

Honestly, Mirebrute is no better or worse than Sourbreath, Fellwater, Rockgut or Dankhold Troggoth...


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Yeah, 'Boltboyz' would be a perfectly serviceable and Orky name, but noooo.

Of course 'Man-skewer' could be the name of the type of bolt weapon they're carrying. Perhaps the battletome and the full kit will give the squad leader or one of the model's in the unit a different type of bolt weapon?

Yeah, if there are multiple kinds of killbows I will retract my complaint.

I think the other troll, er, troggoth names are lame as well. They could have just left it as river troggoth & stone troggoth. Dankhold forgive since "dank troggoth" has a very different connotation, but then 'cavern troggoth' would have been a better pick in the first place imo.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I think the other troll, er, troggoth names are lame as well. They could have just left it as river troggoth & stone troggoth.

Why have a simple descriptive word when you bash two other words together for IP purposes? River and stone? No, no, no. Rockgut™ and Fellwater™. Much better. I mean, they already abandoned Orc, Elf, Dwarf, Troll and Ogre, so why stop there?

Well the whole chapterhouseism trademarkable name stuff offers no tangible benefit to begin with, but even then they already have it covered with "troggoth" which TBH I don't even dislike, lots of settings have unique names for their versions of classic tropes and that is a decent one. Better than "aelves".

"Ogor" I was rolling my eyes at until I realized it's o-gor in the same vein as ungors, bestigors, bullgors, etc.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well the whole chapterhouseism trademarkable name stuff offers no tangible benefit to begin with, but even then they already have it covered with "troggoth" which TBH I don't even dislike, lots of settings have unique names for their versions of classic tropes and that is a decent one. Better than "aelves".

"Ogor" I was rolling my eyes at until I realized it's o-gor in the same vein as ungors, bestigors, bullgors, etc.

Better than Lizardmen getting called 'Seraphon' which...uh...unfortunately brought up a bunch of Furry smut until the web became more populated with GW and community articles on them....

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well the whole chapterhouseism trademarkable name stuff offers no tangible benefit to begin with, but even then they already have it covered with "troggoth" which TBH I don't even dislike, lots of settings have unique names for their versions of classic tropes and that is a decent one. Better than "aelves".

"Ogor" I was rolling my eyes at until I realized it's o-gor in the same vein as ungors, bestigors, bullgors, etc.

And yet, their most popular faction is still officially called 'Space Marines'.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well the whole chapterhouseism trademarkable name stuff offers no tangible benefit to begin with, but even then they already have it covered with "troggoth" which TBH I don't even dislike, lots of settings have unique names for their versions of classic tropes and that is a decent one. Better than "aelves".

"Ogor" I was rolling my eyes at until I realized it's o-gor in the same vein as ungors, bestigors, bullgors, etc.

I do just love how that case made it abundantly clear they have (had?) no idea how trademarks and copyrights work, from the company who sent out so many legal threads based on them.

Lets not rehash this debate again, it got dull the thousandth time.

I think we were all expressing mutual agreement rather than debate (unless you are referencing posts which have been removed) but I will respect that it's a bit tangent to the topic.

My Dominion box is on the way.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
My Dominion box is on the way.

You lucky ducky!

Got around to trying the new rules, a lot of fun. Pretty much as expected; hero & monster actions are fun, the ability to meaningfully respond to stuff during the opponent's turn adds a lot of gameplay value, command abilities are extremely useful but being once-per-phase is a great limiter.

Heroic recovery and the 5+ ward artifact are going to be cropping up as common problem-causers due to how they can be exploited (and even more so together), and MW spam remains the most effective archetype though it is somewhat counterbalanced by no-rend attacks being more useful now with save buffs capped at +1.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
My Dominion box is on the way.

From GW or a third party?

I presumed GW won't ship until Friday?

 The Phazer wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
My Dominion box is on the way.

From GW or a third party?

I presumed GW won't ship until Friday?

It depends on if you ship to store or not.

If you ship to store? They ship as part of the store's next delivery so that, barring any issues, it will be there for you on release day.
If you ship to home or any kind of non-GW shop? They'll ship the Monday after the release.

Sometimes the ship to home stuff will go out earlier if there is non-preorder products in, but it isn't a guaranteed shot.

Dominion is also a big thing so they might be pushing some out of the doors sooner to get through the hump of orders.

May also be a prior arrangement thing with their carrier, with the packages being despatched one day, and held in the warehouse until Friday or whatever.

Ordered mine from my FLGS and they arrived yesterday. Just waiting with bated breath until Saturday to collect. As soon as those doors open, I'll be there waiting with a smile.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Got around to trying the new rules, a lot of fun. Pretty much as expected; hero & monster actions are fun, the ability to meaningfully respond to stuff during the opponent's turn adds a lot of gameplay value, command abilities are extremely useful but being once-per-phase is a great limiter.

Heroic recovery and the 5+ ward artifact are going to be cropping up as common problem-causers due to how they can be exploited (and even more so together), and MW spam remains the most effective archetype though it is somewhat counterbalanced by no-rend attacks being more useful now with save buffs capped at +1.

I played as a cockatrice shame list last nice on TTS and hoo boy, it didn't really feel fair. Only 1000 points against Beastclaw raiders but dang those mortal machines/roar machines are CHEAP. 5 Cockatrices, double doombull, ungor/GBS summoning engine. Summoned 2 more Cockatrices by battle round 3.

Our FLGS got our Dominion boxes in today, so that’s nice.

Rihgu wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Got around to trying the new rules, a lot of fun. Pretty much as expected; hero & monster actions are fun, the ability to meaningfully respond to stuff during the opponent's turn adds a lot of gameplay value, command abilities are extremely useful but being once-per-phase is a great limiter.

Heroic recovery and the 5+ ward artifact are going to be cropping up as common problem-causers due to how they can be exploited (and even more so together), and MW spam remains the most effective archetype though it is somewhat counterbalanced by no-rend attacks being more useful now with save buffs capped at +1.

I played as a cockatrice shame list last nice on TTS and hoo boy, it didn't really feel fair. Only 1000 points against Beastclaw raiders but dang those mortal machines/roar machines are CHEAP. 5 Cockatrices, double doombull, ungor/GBS summoning engine. Summoned 2 more Cockatrices by battle round 3.

To be (un)fair, doom chickens would be pretty kickass even without the extra monster stuff just by virtue of point cost vs performance.

And to be honest if I get crushed because my opponent's army is OP that is frustrating, but if it is OP because of an overabundance of chickens I can live with that




You should run 2k and take 17 of them.

Rihgu wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Got around to trying the new rules, a lot of fun. Pretty much as expected; hero & monster actions are fun, the ability to meaningfully respond to stuff during the opponent's turn adds a lot of gameplay value, command abilities are extremely useful but being once-per-phase is a great limiter.

Heroic recovery and the 5+ ward artifact are going to be cropping up as common problem-causers due to how they can be exploited (and even more so together), and MW spam remains the most effective archetype though it is somewhat counterbalanced by no-rend attacks being more useful now with save buffs capped at +1.

I played as a cockatrice shame list last nice on TTS and hoo boy, it didn't really feel fair. Only 1000 points against Beastclaw raiders but dang those mortal machines/roar machines are CHEAP. 5 Cockatrices, double doombull, ungor/GBS summoning engine. Summoned 2 more Cockatrices by battle round 3.

And for more MW fun/extra fighting ability at higher pt lvs add in a few Chimeras.

Kruelboyz Breaka-boss on what might be the Sludgeraker?

Also preview is at 6PM BST

I ordered from bad moon cafe. I'm not at home right now but the Mrs says there's a big heavy box for me so I'm assuming that's it.

Voss wrote:
That wasn't a 'calculation error.' At the time they were still trying to mirror the high elf and dark elf books, so used basically the same point values for the 'equivalent' units (archers, spears, great weapons, halberds, etc). Except high elves had Always Strike First on everything and dark elves... didn't. So dark elves got plowed over like roadkill. So the errata was a massive discount to basically everything to account for the lack of ASF, which proved to be a terrible band-aid and meant they were underpriced vs everyone else.

Are you sure you're not mixing up editions here? HE did not have ASF in 6th edition. Just Intrigue at the Court and Immune to Panic when fighting vs DE.

In fact both armies were pretty bad in 6th.

Voss wrote:

 kodos wrote:



the other time was the DE Army book in 6th Edition which the screwed up because they had a calculation error in their formula (and we got the Errata to cut out and glue over the parts in the book)

That wasn't a 'calculation error.' At the time they were still trying to mirror the high elf and dark elf books, so used basically the same point values for the 'equivalent' units (archers, spears, great weapons, halberds, etc). Except high elves had Always Strike First on everything and dark elves... didn't. So dark elves got plowed over like roadkill. So the errata was a massive discount to basically everything to account for the lack of ASF, which proved to be a terrible band-aid and meant they were underpriced vs everyone else.

Pretty interesting mirroring of points resulting in error screwing balance in 6th ed in rule high elves got in 8th ed

I'm pretty excited for my 3rd edition core book and generals handbook to arrive tomorrow!

July FAQs are live

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/

Radukar’s court get individual points but why have min/max when that’s gone in AoS 3
Newly Dead can allow Zombies to exceed starting size and the multiplying Kritza is gone.

Sometimes GW is like Tzeentch

There's 3 hands and none of them know what the other hand is doing