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 Haighus wrote:
Does anyone know where/when the rules for the 3rd edition Ork warboss on bike appeared? It was for the Speed Freeks army list in Codex: Armageddon, but wasn't included in the original list.

'Chapter Approved' in White Dwarf 270 (UK), pg.89

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Does anyone know where/when the rules for the 3rd edition Ork warboss on bike appeared? It was for the Speed Freeks army list in Codex: Armageddon, but wasn't included in the original list.

'Chapter Approved' in White Dwarf 270 (UK), pg.89

Thanks!

madtankbloke wrote:

 tauist wrote:

There's a Necron player and an Admech player in our group, they dont have any other models. I'll need to come up with something.

Codex Army lists, released with the 2E boxed set has ad mech units in the imperial agents section, since they weren't a fully fleshed out faction.

They could take:
Magos
Enginseer
Tech Priest Squads (essentially imperial guard but with lots of special weapons)
Electro priests
Servitors
Support weapons
and any vehicles that space marines and imperial guard could take. bear in mind this is before mass access to unique vehicles so its a limited selection.

Agents were intended to be allies, but you could work it into a full army.

Necrons were originally released in 2E (Forget which White Dwarf the rules were in) and had a very limited unit selection.
Lords
Warriors
Immortals
Destroyers
Scarabs

They were intended more as a neutral faction under control of a third player than as a fully fleshed out faction, but they could work

Great info, thanks! I think we could "counts as" modern admech troops as tech priest squads. Regarding Necrons, its ok for them to be a lil OP, I will increase their points cost as handicap

Cheers

If my group picks up 3rd/4th, what do folks recommend for an Admech army? Almost looks more like they were playing in 2nd and got dropped till 7th

4th you can take Imperial Guard with the Engineseers and bionics doctrines (plus whatever others you want - probably Iron Will)
As a bonus you can then take Leman Russes like Skitarii do in the background.
You could take Inqusitors with [stuff] if you want some more wacky techpriests. Karamazov as a Cawl-alike?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
4th you can take Imperial Guard with the Engineseers and bionics doctrines (plus whatever others you want - probably Iron Will)
As a bonus you can then take Leman Russes like Skitarii do in the background.
You could take Inqusitors with [stuff] if you want some more wacky techpriests. Karamazov as a Cawl-alike?

My only issue with guard is the 0-1 limit on Tech-Priests in the 'dex...

If you're playing with a regular group, just discuss removing that limit with them, given that you're not building a standard Guard army.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
4th you can take Imperial Guard with the Engineseers and bionics doctrines (plus whatever others you want - probably Iron Will)
As a bonus you can then take Leman Russes like Skitarii do in the background.
You could take Inqusitors with [stuff] if you want some more wacky techpriests. Karamazov as a Cawl-alike?

That is in 3rd ed too, the Codex was released in 2004 before 4th edition.


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 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
4th you can take Imperial Guard with the Engineseers and bionics doctrines (plus whatever others you want - probably Iron Will)
As a bonus you can then take Leman Russes like Skitarii do in the background.
You could take Inqusitors with [stuff] if you want some more wacky techpriests. Karamazov as a Cawl-alike?

My only issue with guard is the 0-1 limit on Tech-Priests in the 'dex...

The 0-1 limit does include up to 2 techpriests plus servitors, so not as bad as it seems at first glance.

 Haighus wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
4th you can take Imperial Guard with the Engineseers and bionics doctrines (plus whatever others you want - probably Iron Will)
As a bonus you can then take Leman Russes like Skitarii do in the background.
You could take Inqusitors with [stuff] if you want some more wacky techpriests. Karamazov as a Cawl-alike?

That is in 3rd ed too, the Codex was released in 2004 before 4th edition.


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 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
4th you can take Imperial Guard with the Engineseers and bionics doctrines (plus whatever others you want - probably Iron Will)
As a bonus you can then take Leman Russes like Skitarii do in the background.
You could take Inqusitors with [stuff] if you want some more wacky techpriests. Karamazov as a Cawl-alike?

My only issue with guard is the 0-1 limit on Tech-Priests in the 'dex...

The 0-1 limit does include up to 2 techpriests plus servitors, so not as bad as it seems at first glance.

Right, it's not as bad as it seems but it could be better. Six would speak"mechanicus" to me more than 2! And they aren't super good so it isn't like it's op, I don't think

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
4th you can take Imperial Guard with the Engineseers and bionics doctrines (plus whatever others you want - probably Iron Will)
As a bonus you can then take Leman Russes like Skitarii do in the background.
You could take Inqusitors with [stuff] if you want some more wacky techpriests. Karamazov as a Cawl-alike?

That is in 3rd ed too, the Codex was released in 2004 before 4th edition.


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 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
4th you can take Imperial Guard with the Engineseers and bionics doctrines (plus whatever others you want - probably Iron Will)
As a bonus you can then take Leman Russes like Skitarii do in the background.
You could take Inqusitors with [stuff] if you want some more wacky techpriests. Karamazov as a Cawl-alike?

My only issue with guard is the 0-1 limit on Tech-Priests in the 'dex...

The 0-1 limit does include up to 2 techpriests plus servitors, so not as bad as it seems at first glance.

Right, it's not as bad as it seems but it could be better. Six would speak"mechanicus" to me more than 2! And they aren't super good so it isn't like it's op, I don't think

That is fair! It depends a bit on whether you want to use some of the other elites options- stormtrooper rules can be good for skitarii units and hardened veterans could also be used for a special weapon-heavy skitarii unit. The biggest issue with stormtroopers is they don't benefit from doctrines so you cannot give them cybernetics or sharpshooters to give that tech-guard feel. Veterans do benefit from doctrines so you can get a cybernetic, accurate, hard-hitting unit of elite skitarii to support your techpriests.

Could have ogryn servitors too- I'd personally use the Krourk ogryns unit for berserker servitors if going this route.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
My only issue with guard is the 0-1 limit on Tech-Priests in the 'dex...

Allied daemon or witch hunters gets you two inquisitors (one lord and one regular) which can be solid stand-ins for tech priests, including servitor retinues and landraiders. The inquisitorial stormtroopers are also reasonable skitarii troops (and are actual troops choices), at a stretch your could even field some counts-as newer units (i.e. seraphim as Pteraxii).

A.T. wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
My only issue with guard is the 0-1 limit on Tech-Priests in the 'dex...

Allied daemon or witch hunters gets you two inquisitors (one lord and one regular) which can be solid stand-ins for tech priests, including servitor retinues and landraiders. The inquisitorial stormtroopers are also reasonable skitarii troops (and are actual troops choices), at a stretch your could even field some counts-as newer units (i.e. seraphim as Pteraxii).

True, though you can get more Techmarines with the Space Marine book

This wasn't my game, but it was an epic battle so i thought i would share some pictures-

5th ed 2k, 3 objectives

An armor heavy guard force with some air support VS and airborne guard army with some tank support-






The game was pretty brutal and it came down a few key shots at the end, the air power side managed to hold on and win the day with some heavy losses

Does anyone know where the rules for the Rogue Trader Inquisitor in Terminator Armour and Ordo Malleus Daemonhunter in Terminator Armour were published?

The (metal) miniatures came out in the Rogue Trader era, and I had a vague recollection that the rules were either in Slaves to Darkness or the Compilation. But looking online that doesn't look to be the case. The Ordo Malleus and Grey Knights are in Slaves to Darkness, but that was pre-Terminators. Grey Knight Terminators are in the Compilation, but I don't see the Inquisitor or Daemonhunter...

I have had this FW model for probably 10 years and i finally have a reason to use him-

Ordo xenos inquisitor Solomon Lok from the Anphelion project book.

I recently also picked up some wonderfully painted deathwatch so i threw a little list together using our house 5th ed rules in the style of the demon hunter/witch hunter allies.


The list-
primary army-salamanders 5th ed
.Breyarth ashmantle/lucius drop pod
.tac squad fist/flamer/las cannon
.scout sniper squad/heavy bolter/cammo
.techmarine with servitors
.thunder fire cannon X2
.land raider achillies

Allied force-Anphelion project/7th ed death watch
.inquisitor Lok and retinue
.deathwatch veteran squad with a mix of things-frag cannon/infernus heavy bolter/storm shields/combi weapons etc.. in a drop pod.

my opponent is just rebuilding his 4th ed black templar list so he was was running a mostly foot slogging black templar list. it is the first time i have ever run a list that had 3 thunder fire cannons in it and against infantry even space marines it was pretty devastating. his one land raider got hit by brey'arth and destroyed and his terminators came in late from deep strike. they did however manage to take out the entire deathwatch unit.

I am going to have a game of 4th edition with 3rd edition codex's this week.

We will play 500 points and roll for a random mission.
I will use Blood Angels (1 Chaplain, 2 Tactical Squads, 1 Scouts), my opponent will use Dark Angels.

We will use premeasuring for the game.

My 40K experience consists of 1 game of 5th edition, so I am blind to the intricacies of most of 40K.

Any 'essential' house rules out there for 4th? I understand that this was the time of Rhino Rush, but apart from that I am ignorant.

Rhino Rush was bigger in 3rd ed than 4th, as 4th introduced rules forcing everyone on board to jump out and stand around for a turn every time the vehicle took any damage.

Also bigger in 5th, because they dropped that rule and made glances no longer have a chance of destroying vehicles and let you charge out of a Rhino that hadn't moved before you disembark and dropped the base price from 50pts to 35pts, because on some level GW decided that they needed to apply 40k-appropriate levels of overkill to buffing the poor Rhino.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Also bigger in 5th, because they dropped that rule and made glances no longer have a chance of destroying vehicles and let you charge out of a Rhino that hadn't moved before you disembark and dropped the base price from 50pts to 35pts, because on some level GW decided that they needed to apply 40k-appropriate levels of overkill to buffing the poor Rhino.

The disembark and assault from a stationary vehicle was also in 4th edition, but not much use as bunkering up in 5e was viable whereas bunkering up in 4e was best case entangled and worst case a total loss of the squad with no saves ...

IMO Chimera rush overshadowed rhino rush in 5e though, going from 85 points with one (high risk) firing point carrying BS3 guardsmen to 55 points with five firing points and carrying BS4 scoring veterans with multiple special weapons.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Also bigger in 5th, because they dropped that rule and made glances no longer have a chance of destroying vehicles and let you charge out of a Rhino that hadn't moved before you disembark and dropped the base price from 50pts to 35pts, because on some level GW decided that they needed to apply 40k-appropriate levels of overkill to buffing the poor Rhino.

All part of the GW design pendulum. Everyone took transports in 3rd because they were so good... So they were toned down in 4th, and in GW style they took the changes too far so everyone stopped using transports. So for 5th, they made them even better than they had been in 3rd.

Sometimes I wonder if they put two teams on the whole "find a solution for big problem" and then combine their results for that double hit of nerfing or boosting.

 Overread wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if they put two teams on the whole "find a solution for big problem" and then combine their results for that double hit of nerfing or boosting.

For 5e rhinos that was what happened.

The price cut happened back in the 4e chaos codex to try and make them a little more attractive in an era of them being near suicidal to use. Then the new vehicle rules came in alongside the 5e marine book while retaining the band-aid price fix.

With the scoring bikers, drop pods, and generally weak tactical marines I think it was a while before people really stopped to consider rhino walls as a strategy.

 Overread wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if they put two teams on the whole "find a solution for big problem" and then combine their results for that double hit of nerfing or boosting.

I think they throw a dart at a coin in mid-air as it's being flipped.

And then do the opposite.

 dreadblade wrote:
Does anyone know where the rules for the Rogue Trader Inquisitor in Terminator Armour and Ordo Malleus Daemonhunter in Terminator Armour were published?

The (metal) miniatures came out in the Rogue Trader era, and I had a vague recollection that the rules were either in Slaves to Darkness or the Compilation. But looking online that doesn't look to be the case. The Ordo Malleus and Grey Knights are in Slaves to Darkness, but that was pre-Terminators. Grey Knight Terminators are in the Compilation, but I don't see the Inquisitor or Daemonhunter...

I think the Ordo Malleus Terminator was in 3rd ed ed Daemonhunters Dex; it had rules in 8th- I forget with it were in the White Dwarf minidex or the PA- Pariah book. I think it may have been reprinted digitally during the Arks of Omen/ end of 9th campain, and I think it even had a 10th Index Card too, although it might be in Legends.

As for RT Terminator Inquisitors, I'm not sure about them. I think they appeared in a White Dwarf- I may be able to find the issue number once I have better access to my resources but I'm not at home right now.

I have an inquisitor model with force staff, psycanon, which looks like a sniper dragon rifle of some sort and a inquisitor wearing a DA style hood. I think the model is 2ed, because he is even smaller then 5 really gold metal grey knight termintors , which themselfs are smaller then the rest of metal termintors in my army. Dude is smaller then a Cadian , and he is in terminator armour.

Karol wrote:
I have an inquisitor model with force staff, psycanon, which looks like a sniper dragon rifle of some sort and a inquisitor wearing a DA style hood. I think the model is 2ed, because he is even smaller then 5 really gold metal grey knight termintors

The two terminator inquisitor models were released September 1989, the orginal metal grey knights were May 89.

Damn. This makes the models 8 years younger then me father and 5 years younger then my mom.

 aphyon wrote:

Spoiler:

What is that lovely domed building with the cupola? I don't recognize it.

 dreadblade wrote:
The Ordo Malleus and Grey Knights are in Slaves to Darkness, but that was pre-Terminators. Grey Knight Terminators are in the Compilation, but I don't see the Inquisitor or Daemonhunter...

PenitentJake wrote:

I'm not sure about them. I think they appeared in a White Dwarf- I may be able to find the issue number once I have better access to my resources but I'm not at home right now.

Thanks that would be great. I remember running them in 1st edition but now I have no idea where I'd have got the rules from.

These are the dudes in question:

 dreadblade wrote:

 dreadblade wrote:
The Ordo Malleus and Grey Knights are in Slaves to Darkness, but that was pre-Terminators. Grey Knight Terminators are in the Compilation, but I don't see the Inquisitor or Daemonhunter...

PenitentJake wrote:

I'm not sure about them. I think they appeared in a White Dwarf- I may be able to find the issue number once I have better access to my resources but I'm not at home right now.

Thanks that would be great. I remember running them in 1st edition but now I have no idea where I'd have got the rules from.

These are the dudes in question:

Some of the best looking models of that vintage.