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2021/01/19 18:04:17
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game based on Frostgrave, Apr '21
I know a lot of people aren't happy about the lack of details on these buys, but I kind of like it. I don't imagine most "Star Scum" being particularly ostentatious in their outfits. I think the kit will be pretty cool personally.
2021/01/19 18:58:58
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game based on Frostgrave, Apr '21
Billicus wrote: Worth remembering with the criticism that if these are priced like the frostgrave soldier boxes it'll be £20 for 20 figures - great value
Worth remembering Wargame Atlantic's Deathfields line is the same price, but the deisngs don't look 30 years old ...
2021/01/19 19:42:51
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game based on Frostgrave, Apr '21
Billicus wrote: Worth remembering with the criticism that if these are priced like the frostgrave soldier boxes it'll be £20 for 20 figures - great value
Worth remembering Wargame Atlantic's Deathfields line is the same price, but the deisngs don't look 30 years old ...
Yeah, that is a great point.
I still think a box of these will be useful for all the mcguffins they hopefully come with, but idk, the guns aren't great looking so I'm not sure the scanners etc. will look much better.
I'm guessing these will also be pretty small to fit in with the Frostgrave stuff. They are going to be 28mm, not GW size.
2021/01/19 20:08:51
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game based on Frostgrave, Apr '21
Billicus wrote: Worth remembering with the criticism that if these are priced like the frostgrave soldier boxes it'll be £20 for 20 figures - great value
Worth remembering Wargame Atlantic's Deathfields line is the same price, but the deisngs don't look 30 years old ...
Worth remembering people still like those, too.
2021/01/19 20:14:35
Subject: Re:Stargrave - SF skirmish game based on Frostgrave, Apr '21
They are decent. If this was a TV series, they'd be the extras. Extras don't get fancy outfits. There are plenty of 3rd party places to get parts for kitbashing if you don't already have them, and if previous Northstar plastics kits are anything to go by, there should be plenty of bits in them. These are classic "spear carriers" in the movie industry sense, and I'll use them for the redshirts, be they mine, the pirates, or a 3rd party scenario complication.
Mind, I was in high school in the early 80's, and I'm getting a Buck Rogers in the 25th Century and original Battlestar Galactica vibe from these. They do strike me as very retro.
So these guys are from the crew box, with Mercs and Troopers still coming. I kind of hope the crew have non-weapon options with tablets, tools, scanners etc.
They look fine to me, generic, not too stylized, they'd fit into a Galaxy Far Far Away, a Federation Starbase or the Grim Darkness of the Far Future. Obviously I want to see sprues and well, reduce the pile of shame, but I'd buy these.
I like that the blue guy looks like Marc Copplestone's old troopers, some of my favorite near future soldiers.
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2021/01/19 20:52:42
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game based on Frostgrave, Apr '21
Billicus wrote: Worth remembering with the criticism that if these are priced like the frostgrave soldier boxes it'll be £20 for 20 figures - great value
Worth remembering Wargame Atlantic's Deathfields line is the same price, but the deisngs don't look 30 years old ...
Worth remembering people still like those, too.
Oh nothing wrong with that, far from being for me to judge someone else's aesthetic taste, but neither should the argument of price be made to shut down the criticism of those who don't like the models - in other words, "great value" is a very subjective thing, is what I was trying to address.
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2021/01/19 20:59:26
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game-plastics preview pg 5
Oh nothing wrong with that, far from being for me to judge someone else's aesthetic taste, but neither should the argument of price be made to shut down the criticism of those who don't like the models - in other words, "great value" is a very subjective thing, is what I was trying to address.
I wasn't trying to "shut down the criticism", just providing a bit of context that they'll be priced at the cheaper end of the market so expectations should be set accordingly. Chill out. Yeah, I can take the point that there are other good budget ranges available, with their own strengths and weaknesses.
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2021/01/20 07:09:17
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game based on Frostgrave, Apr '21
Sabotage! wrote: I know a lot of people aren't happy about the lack of details on these buys, but I kind of like it. I don't imagine most "Star Scum" being particularly ostentatious in their outfits. I think the kit will be pretty cool personally.
Detail is not just trinkets and ornaments being smeared all over the sculpt, but just plain sharpness of it as well.
I absolutely don’t have anything against people liking these minis, but I don’t get the argument about the price, as if it makes the whole thing more appealing. Sure it’s better, than if they were expensive, but If you like the minis already. I’d never want a Mantic army for example, even if it costs like 3 sandwiches and has a million models in it. I’d rather buy less minis, but actually like how they look, than buy many and be “meh” about their design. Or, even id rather get no minis at all, rather than get dirt cheap subpar miniatures. My shelf of shame is already quite enormous :(
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2021/01/20 09:07:21
Subject: Re:Stargrave - SF skirmish game-plastics preview pg 5
The alien heads look Goofy as sin (Not helped by the pastel-y color schemes), but other wise the bodies and human heads look fine. Looking foreword to seeing what the full frames look like.
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2021/01/20 15:12:13
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game-plastics preview pg 5
I don['t know I'm really digging that yellow bugged eye green dude in dark green/grey on the right. I have enough sci fi humans If can get enough of those specific alien heads this is a done deal. I'm not a fan of the adhoc nature of various uniforms and species in that picture but with a more uniformed look the crew could look pretty good
2021/01/20 15:15:54
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game-plastics preview pg 5
I'm looking forward to seeing more of this. They've got an early Star Wars toy vibe but that's not a problem for me. Will be interesting to see the full sprues and what kinds of bits they'll have. Mercenaries sounds promising, might make for some neat bounty hunter style squads.
Gamingdog wrote: I don['t know I'm really digging that yellow bugged eye green dude in dark green/grey on the right. I have enough sci fi humans If can get enough of those specific alien heads this is a done deal. I'm not a fan of the adhoc nature of various uniforms and species in that picture but with a more uniformed look the crew could look pretty good
I think their suits are going to look uniform enough if you just paint them the same way. Sure, they might not all have pouches or straps in the same place but it's all done in a similar enough style and appears to be capped off by a wrist computer on every left arm. With the same, basic colour scheme on them they're gonna look like a unified crew. A minimum amount of rag-tagness is probably unavoidable due to the setting and style of the game but you can just rationalise that as older and newer models of space suit, to say nothing of repairs.
2021/01/20 21:06:51
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game-plastics preview pg 5
The alien heads are adequate. That they are on human bodies is kind of uninspired. Actual alien bodies for them would have been much more interesting, but I guess that wold have been a separate box.
2021/01/20 21:10:39
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game-plastics preview pg 5
No way. Much more Good Star Wars vibe mixed with Traveller and Star Frontiers. But I have a feeling these were obviously designed for fans of 70's and 80's scifi.
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2021/01/21 14:25:49
Subject: Stargrave - SF skirmish game-plastics preview pg 5
judgedoug wrote: No way. Much more Good Star Wars vibe mixed with Traveller and Star Frontiers. But I have a feeling these were obviously designed for fans of 70's and 80's scifi.
Agreed. I'm getting an "80's video rental store sci-fi section" vibe from these that I really kind of like.
2021/01/21 18:00:47
Subject: Re:Stargrave - SF skirmish game based on Frostgrave, Apr '21
Billicus wrote: If these sell, probably get a "Stargrave Crew 2" box that's all female next year
Oh, I was just being silly. I've a few female minis to paint, like the Not-Ripley, Not-Caprica Six, Not-Zoe, and Not-River from the Sedition Wars kickstarter, and I backed the Toughest Girls in the Galaxy KS, and only painted 3 of my Jailbirds and none of the stretch goal character models. There's enough female minis in the collection to keep Kirk and Ryker busy. For a month, tops.
[Khan Noonien Singh] I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you.[/Khan Noonien Singh]
Okay, that was pretty mean. In the comments to another Shatner cover from that same album, someone wrote,
It was a concept album. The concept was Shatner versus music.
I think we can agree, Shatner won, unfortunately.
Here's something more pleasant, and it is incorrectly titled. It should be "tribute" or "homage." The interesting part starts at 1:11.
Back to the topic. That pilot aiming the blaster could pass for a rebel pilot if you painted him orange and white. The chest is wrong, but perhaps there is a torso that would be a closer fit.
Back to the topic. That pilot aiming the blaster could pass for a rebel pilot if you painted him orange and white. The chest is wrong, but perhaps there is a torso that would be a closer fit.
Why not a Former rebel pilot who bought a new shirt? There's approximately one infinite number of scenarios for Star Wars gaming in the Outer Rim
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
