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By all accounts the Fantastic 4 movie we are getting does not take place in the normal MCU universe. It sounds like it's going to end up crossing over into the main MCU timeline by the end of it. The answer to the question "Where has the FF been this whole time?" is going to be nowhere. They don't exist on the sacred timeline.

Which honestly makes sense. If Kang is a descendant of the Richards and he wants to isolate a timeline to prevent the constant creation of his own variants then that time line is built to prevent the creation of that entire family line.

Also, if this is just Galactus and the SS again, this isn't a sequel with Norrin Rad having new adventures. It's just the same story again. If thats the case you might as well mix it up.

So, episode 6 of X-men 97
was yet another great showing.

I'm not sure if I'm enjoying this because of nostalgia, or because it's written so much better than recent Marvel cinema offerings, but I am enjoying it greatly. Turns out you can revive an old series and do it well. Who'dve thought!

 Just Tony wrote:

By that logic we should never have a sequel again involving the exact same actors. .

No, that's not the same logic at all. My point was merely that reboots rehashing the same origin stories is boring, and I would rather see a different character in that situation. I have no problem with sequels expanding on existing characters.

Given the last three Fantastic Four movies were kind of bad, I'd prefer if they made writing a good story for the upcoming one their top priority and only worry about one character's shiny metal boobs once that's sorted out.

 Geifer wrote:
Given the last three Fantastic Four movies were kind of bad, I'd prefer if they made writing a good story for the upcoming one their top priority and only worry about one character's shiny metal boobs once that's sorted out.

The fact that writing a good story isn't the primary concern kind of speaks volumes about how films are approached nowadays.

 Just Tony wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Given the last three Fantastic Four movies were kind of bad, I'd prefer if they made writing a good story for the upcoming one their top priority and only worry about one character's shiny metal boobs once that's sorted out.

The fact that writing a good story isn't the primary concern kind of speaks volumes about how films are approached nowadays.

The cynic in me (especially after Ghostbusters 2016), is that by putting "diverse" leads and cast, it acts as the shield behind which they can use to basically discount any legitimate criticism about the film being poorly made and they can carte blanche claim that any negative reception is based on whatever "ism" they want to use for that movie. Which is funny when some of these flop at the box office because they often take the stance of "if you don't like the movie, don't watch it" and then when they fail, they're like "damn you for not giving us your money you bigots!" as if they were planning on relying on them all along. You never see them try to shame women for not supporting movies like The Marvels even though the vast majority of people who did even end up showing to watch it were men.

Marvel Turns One-Shot Special Into Full (Comic Book) Series - Giant Freakin Robot

Following the positive reception to the Werewolf By Night special from a few years ago, Marvel is giving the werewolf story its own series as an ongoing comic. The live-action special gave the relatively obscure title some name recognition and it’s exciting news for comic horror fans to see it come back.

Well, I guess that's good for them?

Oh nice! That was pretty ace, that one.


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 Grimskul wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Given the last three Fantastic Four movies were kind of bad, I'd prefer if they made writing a good story for the upcoming one their top priority and only worry about one character's shiny metal boobs once that's sorted out.

The fact that writing a good story isn't the primary concern kind of speaks volumes about how films are approached nowadays.

The cynic in me (especially after Ghostbusters 2016), is that by putting "diverse" leads and cast, it acts as the shield behind which they can use to basically discount any legitimate criticism about the film being poorly made and they can carte blanche claim that any negative reception is based on whatever "ism" they want to use for that movie. Which is funny when some of these flop at the box office because they often take the stance of "if you don't like the movie, don't watch it" and then when they fail, they're like "damn you for not giving us your money you bigots!" as if they were planning on relying on them all along. You never see them try to shame women for not supporting movies like The Marvels even though the vast majority of people who did even end up showing to watch it were men.

This is an issue of the carefully manufactured Culture War.

See, unfortunately bad faith actors on one side decided, long before it opened in theatres, the movie must suck because female cast. And they got all out of their prams about it, including at least an attempt at review bombing it.

Then, bad faith actors on the other side decided that anyone criticising it must, therefore, be part of or aligned with the first set of bad faith actors. And so they got out their prams in turn, and between them any kind of subtlety of opinion was drowned out.

As for me? GB16 is a perfectly fine comedy, but not a very good Ghostbusters movie. The originals aren’t knock-about, laugh riot comedies. The comedy arises from the situation and mostly Venkman. GB16 is a comedy movie with ghosts in it. And honestly? In my opinion whilst not that great a comedy, it’s still head and shoulders over the dreck many “comedians” put out. It’s also a tonal mess. We see Abi and Erin demonstrate real chemistry, and character progression. Patty brings some real world knowledge and outside observer stuff. Holtzman is just….wacky. Endearingly wacky, but just wacky all the same. Chris Hemsworth shows his decent comedic chops, but is put to poor use.

The story, acting and that are…pretty much fine. But it’s cobbled together. Like they filmed it three times, and then tried to stitch different scenes from different shoots.

Totally random thought to insert here, but it's the only place that really gives with the subject material.



If they ever get around to putting accurate Ultraverse characters into the MCU, then I would absolutely adore it if they would make Molly Kuns play Topaz.

For some reason, I read Ultraverse and thought of Ultraman. Then I though, that can't me right because that is not Marvel at all!

X-Men ‘97 S1 E7

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
X-Men ‘97 S1 E7

Spoiler:

JEEBUS NIPPLES CRISPS!!!! Cap!

Now it’s been forever since I saw the original series all the way through, and my memory of it is sketchy at best. But I don’t recall much in the way of other non-mutant characters dropping in to say hi?

I imagine they didn’t have the rights. But yeah, name dropped one and cameo from another.

Pretty great. They are swapping one villain in the comics for another, but it fits really well and this is pretty great.

I don’t read X-men so I don’t know much of their stories or all their villains. I don’t know who

 AduroT wrote:
I don’t read X-men so I don’t know much of their stories or all their villains. I don’t know who

Spoiler:

Bastion is, rather I thought that guy we saw was Feilong, a purple dude who I’ve gathered hates the X-men and has been antagonizing Iron Man in the comics lately.

Curious if we'll see some version of Xorn.

I think its mildly funny whenver they introduce things that appeared in the comics in the mid 00's but enjoying the series overall.

It's all steeped DEEP in comic tropes I don't really care for but definitely excited to see more.

Yep, that’s definitely who it is, their Facebook page posted a Who Is This Guy thing about him.

I watched The Marvels on a plane this weekend. I quite enjoyed it. The bad guys motives were a little thin but it was really fun. Sad it got bashed so bad.

 LunarSol wrote:
Curious if we'll see some version of Xorn.

I think its mildly funny whenver they introduce things that appeared in the comics in the mid 00's but enjoying the series overall.

It's all steeped DEEP in comic tropes I don't really care for but definitely excited to see more.

My son is really into the comics, but even despite his best efforts he still can’t get into the X-Men stuff from the late 90’s through to the beginning of the House of X storyline, and even that is a little too weird for him.

Reading up on some ranking and review sites, it sounds like the X-Men lost their way after the Claremont-Lee era, losing the potency of the MLK-Malcom X dynamic as the civil rights era seemed farther and farther away and struggling to find something else that worked. It didn’t help that the movie rights drama resulted in the X-Men becoming the mutant-headed stepchild of the Marvelverse. I can’t imagine there are many classic stories from that period that resonate with the fans…


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 Hulksmash wrote:
I watched The Marvels on a plane this weekend. I quite enjoyed it. The bad guys motives were a little thin but it was really fun. Sad it got bashed so bad.

I don’t get the hate either. It was a fun time, but I guess that isn’t what movie goers are looking for from the MCU?

The Marvels is a solid Marvel movie but we have lots of those. People are waiting for the "next" Marvel movie and The Marvels definitely isn't it. Granted, that's not where the vitriol comes from, just the lack of excitement.

As for X-Men weirdness... there's really no era free of it. Claremont had all the Sinister/Cable time travel, genetic engineering stuff you see in the show. Even Kirby/Lee had Krakoa and what have you. Morrisons run pretends to be fairly grounded but one of the best arcs is stopping a giant space bullet. The House of X era has all the characters dying and being cloned every issue along with time hopping madness. It's just core to the brand.

That said, post 90s my favorite era is the House of M endangered species run. Just a lot of great moments in that like Cyclops and Wolverine becoming the new gen Xavier and Magneto and the whole X-Force question of proactive defense. Easily some of my favorite stuff, though even that gets tied up in Age of Apocalypse crossovers.

I think part of what carried the up-to-Endgame set was the whole build up to Endgame (which also allowed them to keep the Superhero/genre movie feel going until nearer the end). I feel Marvel made an error in not having the next Big Thing at least loosely mapped out.

They were hamstrung by the Thanos plot being so big. Where do you go after half the universe was wiped out? Kang? Lets introduce him as a Douche at the End of Time in a tv show. Or utterly fail to build up some ominous dread in a green-screen-hell of an Ant-Man movie. (liked the Ant-Man movie? The comedy heist? Well don't see Ant-Man 3).

The multi-verse/TVA thing is great for bringing together all the separate strands of movies previously held under different licenses, but risks drowning under its own weight. In the Deadpool 3 trailer we've already had to be told that 'this' Wolverine is a different one from the others. Where do new viewers start?

X-Men 97 continues to massively impress.


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 Baragash wrote:
I think part of what carried the up-to-Endgame set was the whole build up to Endgame (which also allowed them to keep the Superhero/genre movie feel going until nearer the end). I feel Marvel made an error in not having the next Big Thing at least loosely mapped out.

Post Endgame, and whilst I’ve enjoyed all the films, they’ve felt like Age of Ultron.


At the time, Age of Ultron felt like treading water. A team up film made because the slate called for one.

But, in hindsight (which we’re yet to get to for post Endgame fare)? That movie brought a lot of foreshadowing and laid some serious groundwork which the later films brought to prominence. Watched with that knowledge, you see how much was going on just under the surface.

So, apparently there is some legal trouble regarding the actress that played She Hulk. She was supposed to have some cameo scenes in the Deadpool and Wolverine movie, but they were cut. She's blaming Ryan Reynolds for it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
X-Men 97 continues to massively impress.

Maybe its just me but for a big important episode with lots of fighting, it felt super quiet.

 cuda1179 wrote:
So, apparently there is some legal trouble regarding the actress that played She Hulk. She was supposed to have some cameo scenes in the Deadpool and Wolverine movie, but they were cut. She's blaming Ryan Reynolds for it.

Please share a link?

I tried googling and all that came up were Mike Zeroh videos and some Reddit types saying Mike Zeroh made it up.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
So, apparently there is some legal trouble regarding the actress that played She Hulk. She was supposed to have some cameo scenes in the Deadpool and Wolverine movie, but they were cut. She's blaming Ryan Reynolds for it.

Please share a link?

I tried googling and all that came up were Mike Zeroh videos and some Reddit types saying Mike Zeroh made it up.

I've spent an hour today trying to find any actual source for any of this and it looks like it really is just the normal youtube channels slinging made up bs especially if it involves a female cast member. Nothing to see here.

I can’t even find a source which suggests she was ever cast in the film.

Mm, fairly mediocre episode X-men. Jean expositions the bad guys entire backstory with psychic residue from his childhood home. They never meet him once. He talks big and super confident and then completely loses. More Marvel cameos was cute though.

Tangentially, I can’t take Nimrod seriously. Like I know he’s a big bad, but he looks kind of silly and Bugs Bunny has ruined the name for me for all time.

Nimrod looks like that female Gobot.