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Even in the image give it looks like you could fit one figure in it, maybe two if you squeeze things in.

Also a bit too orcish for my taste and has that odd mouth (mimic maybe) on the bow.

That ogre looks awesome! And yeah, it is a welcome surprise that it does not carry any crap like their previous minis, like troll or giant.

"The capacity is for 6 miniatures, and the graphic will be adjusted accordingly.

 ced1106 wrote:
"The capacity is for 6 miniatures, and the graphic will be adjusted accordingly.

Hmm, so roughly the size of the swamp boat. Unfortunately not really big enough to maneuver figures on. Could work as a small assault skiff for a bigger vessel I guess.

From the AMA Jarek said the Airship will fit 6 minis on 25mm bases and the plan is to have the cannons and blades optional. This is part of a larger plan that they have

- 10 Super SG planned they showed a Turtle Dragon
- SG and SSG add ons will only be available in the PM and may cost more than the €59 initially quoted if they get really big.
- MoTU wave 5 previewed and work on wave 6 is well underway wave 7 planned
- Weapon sprue is a go concepts done will be SG and available as an add on in PM
- Free Shipping on Archon store over €100 for EU & UK and 150 for US
- Going to open a branch in Nottingham
- Stronghold set is new for retail.

Anyone playing MoTU? My FLGS is screwing the pooch on sourcing expansions so I'm still at the base game but I quite like it.

That Grand Stronghold looks *nice*. I don't recall it available through the KS? Any idea how much it would cost to make from the individual sets?

 ced1106 wrote:
That Grand Stronghold looks *nice*. I don't recall it available through the KS? Any idea how much it would cost to make from the individual sets?

https://shop.archon-studio.com/terrain/275-grand-stronghold-5901414673918.html

A lot more than the €159 price there's at least 8 Castle sets (8.3 if each set has 6 regular walls and the stronghold has 50 - not sure how that works out as sprues have a set amount of pieces, they might be preclipped) @ €27 each retail (€216) before you add the roof, trims, battlements etc. At the KS price of €17 that would be €136 plus the extras.

Free shipping too for lots of regions at that price. Good entry point into the system from the sounds of it.

The Dragonturtle's concept looks really good too.

Set your clock for TOMORROW 11 AM PST/ 2 PM EST... Dungeons & Lasers ® V: World of Deuslair 5E is LAUNCHING! 🚀

Don't miss your chance to pledge early! All backers in the first 48 hours (starting from the Novice pledge) get an Owlbear Family mini as an Early Bird bonus reward!

Might as well add that I crunched some numbers on the Reaper forums, and found the Novice pledge best if you only want the SG's, and Adept if you want SG's and SSG's.

fwiw, the Reaper Bones Dragon Turtle sold for $15, as did their Kraken (full model underwater).

It's live now and just about funded.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-v-world-of-deuslair-5e

I'm just not sold on the core set as I know I'll use very little from it and so I'll just follow here to see what the SG and SSG end up being as missing on some owlbears really isn't that big of a deal.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
It's live now and just about funded.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-v-world-of-deuslair-5e

I'm just not sold on the core set as I know I'll use very little from it and so I'll just follow here to see what the SG and SSG end up being as missing on some owlbears really isn't that big of a deal.

I've signed up at the Novice pledge for now - though I'll wait to see what gets revealed in the next two weeks to see if the fairly sizeable jump to get the SSGs is worth it (and if the regular SG's are enough to sell me on it generally).

Went for Apprentice for now will decide in 2 weeks when it's all revealed.

€200k - Airship unlocked

Launch AMA

- Core set might be rapid shipping if they can get the bases tool done in time.
- Bases are more costal themed this time
- D&L1 v D&L5 - costs 6 times more to manufacture now. 40 tonnes of plastic required for D&L5.
- price for SG and SSG add on will only be known in PM.
- SSG and SG are not one per backer so if you stack multiple pledges on the same account you will get multiples.
- the only 1 per backer minis are the Owlbear, Lord Bulbolder and the Kobolds/Roblin - will be available as paid add ons.
- Larger Airship planned but not for this KS - modular and expandable.
- Alt languages - post campaign survey need at least 400 backers to pick a language to make it viable
- (from KS comments) if you back for €1 in the first 48 hours and up to at least Novice in the PM you will qualify for the Owlbear.
- No new mats planned for this KS, caused delays to D&L4 shipping, looking to bring this in house for the future
- SG and SSG if all unlocked will have a retail value of approx €700
- The large 4 armed fae is a mid campaign SSG.
- Kraken is planned to have 2 separate tentacles - might add more if there is space on the sprue.
- books will be printed in Poland so no waiting on China shipping.

Updated SG pic

Backed for now. Might not keep it, but in case I do I want the day 1 freebie too.

€511K - Fire Wyrm is the next SSG @€650K. It will probably settle down soon into a slow climb to the last few days. I don't think they expected to be at this point yet but their target is 7,000 backers which at the current average of €176 would put them over €1.2m

Update mentions that "One last thing, Lord Bulbolder will now be available to previous backers of ALL of our campaigns, not just D&L Backers. If you’re here from HoMM or MOTU: Fields of Eternia, then we’ll do our best to accommodate you 😀"

Last few hours for the owlbear!

Note that the way they're going to be doing Lord Bulbolder is via the email address used (mentioned in the comments),

so try and back with the same email you've backed previous projects with

I have to say that I'm not happy about the owlbear. Mostly because I have a huge weak spot for juvenile versions of various creatures so that alone was a reason to back. I've also enjoyed painting my earlier Dungeons and Lasers figures so what's a little more to add to the pile of shame?

One thing I actually don't like is the typical pirates theme. To me, that just doesn't fit with the rest of the fantasy figures because it reflects a vastly different era. But fortunately they're not core set minis or the like.

I am very happy with the owlbear, mainly because the model isn't posed as a gimic. If the owlbear was carrying its cubs it would be a waste of plastic, yet another gimic miniature. As it happens the adult owlbear is standing in a useful pose and the cubs are separate, though together. I can live with two baby owlbears on one base, it limits their use to that of a target, so long as the adult is able to fit on a separate base.
I don't know what the optional parts are but if it includes different cubs


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I have now double backed, second backing is for one Euro. There is a good chance it will stay there.

Frankly I am not impressed with the meat and potatoes of the Kickstarter, the Core set and formal add on's have their own odd style to them I am not keen on. There are some great miniatures, but only a few.
The stretch goals on the other hand are awesome, and we are only getting started.

Deuslair is not for me, I don't like the art style, I greatly prefer generic fantasy rather than weird fantasy. The whole world seems reminiscent of Dark Crystal, and personally that does not appeal. I can see how it will be treasure to others though, And I have noticed the thinly disquised Skeksis.

Wolf Drake added to the SSG which is now up to 6 unlocked - I could use that as an alt. Vengorian Lord for SBGL . The SG gaps have been reduced now that it's slowed down. I'm still waiting for that one (or 2?) thing that makes me go yeah that's the one and my pledge is locked in.

Kraken tentacles to be increased to 4 but will be a later SG.



Roblin v Sleipnir result is due tomorrow

I only had a chance to quickly go through the AMA this morning but there’s nothing much new to report. There might be more add ons in the PM. Jarek has an AMA on Friday so might get more news then.

Currently €842k with 6 days to go.

Roblin won the €850k vote. Hopefully there are options to have Roblin and the mount separate. Sleipnir might come back around before the end.



Harvester of Souls at €900k



The extra tentacles are coming at €890k

Honestly I really like the dragons but I don't think they're worth backing just to get.

I'm willing to be sold on their game world and thus their non-generic designs but Arcon are pretty much ignoring that with barely even basic lip service so I don't feel I should invest in a line they really don't seam to have that much interest in themselves.

next big target (i hope the ship is done so it's removable..... apparently that's the plan, excellent)

> (i hope the ship is done so it's removable)

Comments said yep! (:

Picked up Five Leagues from the Borderland and the fey ice queen faction looks like a good overlap with the Deuslair miniatures. Elven Woods fits on a 2x2 table, and has mini's for the Camp location as well.

D&L4 backers received the Deuslair Sample Pack, so I did a quick paintjob. The harder plastic is easier to work with (eg. filing off mold lines) than the soft boardgame and Mantic plastic.

No idea why the pic is upside-down. Click on it to see the picture right-side up. Will link to a pic later today.

Fixed it

Nice value KS but looks like the first Archon KS where I'll be dropping out before the end. As a wargamer the only bits of interest to me are a few large models that are mostly Super Stretch goals and they can't justify adding another 50 sprues to the pile I'll never touch.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
As a wargamer the only bits of interest to me are a few large models that are mostly Super Stretch goals and they can't justify adding another 50 sprues to the pile I'll never touch.

Same for me. I will wait for the retail to get few models I care for.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Nice value KS but looks like the first Archon KS where I'll be dropping out before the end. As a wargamer the only bits of interest to me are a few large models that are mostly Super Stretch goals and they can't justify adding another 50 sprues to the pile I'll never touch.

Likewise - most of the models feel very setting specific and wouldn't integrate as well into my existing collection of models for D&D. It was the same concern when the KS launched, but none of the stretch goals are absolute must-haves for me.

Thanks, Shadow, for the photoflip!

More on the Reaper forums: https://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/102890-archons-deuslair-sample-pack-and-elven-woods/#comment-2109053

Archon's push for an entire "non-generic fantasy" RPG world *is* a risk, and, since they're also offering the "generic fantasy" terrain from D&L4 in the KS, I think it's a mistake for them to not allow backers to exchange the Desulair-specific core set for an add-on. At least, during the previews, they went from making the RPG Bestiary hardcover a required item, to an add-on. With three factions, Archon should have made the focus a wargame, rather than RPG, or perhaps both. I think they should have at least given a shot (if they didn't) to work with a smaller wargames ruleset company (eg. Song of Blades and Heroes) for Archon to create a supplement or something. Myself, I picked up "Five Leagues from the Borderlands", a narrative solo/coop miniatures skirmish game, and noticed that the core set and other sets fit nicely with 5L's unseelie Ice Queen faction, as well as ferals and birdfolk for player warband characters. The Elven Woods set, btw, has a campsite for the Camp locations. Anecdotally, most of the popular miniatures, except for the giant unseelie fae queen, have been for the "generic fantasy" figures.

Well, there's always D&L6: Caves later this year. But you'll miss the duck.

Also posting a painted pic from Update 7, of their interchangeable parts bad guys.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-v-world-of-deuslair-5e/posts/3791474