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I don't mind working with resin, but I certainly mind the cost of FW products. $120 for a very small land speeder model with limited details? $23 for 5 torsos? Who is paying these prices?

Sabotage! wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

I recently bit the bullet on a malcador, which is probably my best painted model now, anyways in the gallery of mine there are two pics which show the parts with moldblocks still attached on it...
i required no gak a saw and sandpaper to remove that huge moldblock off the main body which was placed diagonally on the main body...
considering what resin is, that is very annoying..

Ugh, that is horrible. Looking at it that picture gave me chills! If it’s any consolation the finished tank looks great!

That wasn't even the worst part actually, still hate to saw resin for the whole dust aspect.

Tavis75 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

I recently bit the bullet on a malcador, which is probably my best painted model now, anyways in the gallery of mine there are two pics which show the parts with moldblocks still attached on it...
i required no gak a saw and sandpaper to remove that huge moldblock off the main body which was placed diagonally on the main body...
considering what resin is, that is very annoying..

That doesn't look like much of an issue, couple of seconds with a hack saw and looks like it's in a location where the track unit will cover it, so only need to be filed\sanded to be flat enough to not get in the way of that piece. That's just what I'd expect for a large resin piece like that.

Oh absolutely but for the price they demand for "rest of the world" category i could expect them to atleast remove that block no?

Alas the worst was fiting the sides into the body, since they were bent but the cake took the tracks, you just get a sprue full off em, and not one schematics to explain to you how much of them you need.

Out of all the FW stuff I've purchased, the only problem I had with a kit was on a set of Salamander doors for my repulsor.assive mold slip across the entire door. Called FW & they sent me out a duplicate of my original order, which included a couple other rhino doors(which was prob a mistake).

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/803200.page

This is why people hate on Forge World Resin. I had to fight to get these pieces replaced. The album (not shared) has only grown since. I literally taught myself how to pressure cast so that I can take the 1 out of 10 good casts (my armigers for instance - legs and torsos were a nightmare. I was lucky to get one decent version of each variant) and replace my own bad parts. Because so often, their own production is incapable of successfully delivering a proper product. Like, they do it wrong. I'm an amateur, and can prevent mold slips, warping, etc. without it taking longer to do.

axotl wrote:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/803200.page

This is why people hate on Forge World Resin. I had to fight to get these pieces replaced. The album (not shared) has only grown since. I literally taught myself how to pressure cast so that I can take the 1 out of 10 good casts (my armigers for instance - legs and torsos were a nightmare. I was lucky to get one decent version of each variant) and replace my own bad parts. Because so often, their own production is incapable of successfully delivering a proper product. Like, they do it wrong. I'm an amateur, and can prevent mold slips, warping, etc. without it taking longer to do.

You know why they continue to get away with it? Because people buy them.

FW only seems to be an issue for non-Brits with regards to customer service.
Enjoy your independence, ungrateful colonists.

 Gert wrote:
FW only seems to be an issue for non-Brits with regards to customer service.
Enjoy your independence, ungrateful colonists.

I'm in Australia and I've had reasonably good experience with FW in terms of customer service (FW for us comes from the UK). But fixing a problem after the fact is still secondary to not having the issue in the first place.

 Gert wrote:
FW only seems to be an issue for non-Brits with regards to customer service.
Enjoy your independence, ungrateful colonists.

Suggesting Forge World knowingly ships subpar product to overseas customers out of a racist impulse against the non-British is certainly a novel take.

I’ve also had good customer service from FW (and even better from GW who in my experience has been nothing short of excellent on that front), but as Skink said they shouldn’t be putting out crappy casts and mold slips when they are charging what they charge for their products.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Suggesting Forge World knowingly ships subpar product to overseas customers out of a racist impulse against the non-British is certainly a novel take.

If they wanted better FW customer service they should have thought about that in 1775.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Gert wrote:
FW only seems to be an issue for non-Brits with regards to customer service.
Enjoy your independence, ungrateful colonists.

Suggesting Forge World knowingly ships subpar product to overseas customers out of a racist impulse against the non-British is certainly a novel take.

It's obviously incorrect, purely due to the reason I doubt anyone at FW takes as much as a single look at the product before shipping, judging by the amount of horrible miscasts, missing components and times where they just flat-out shipped the wrong product (which is how several minis got leaked ahead of time).

 Kanluwen wrote:
friendly reminder, it's a joke to seriously suggest 3D printers as a solution to anything other than you wanting to pirate crap.

Yep, all those people who play indie war games that have no miniature lines that 3D print all their stuff are totally pirating the post-apocalyptic, cyber-punk, fantasy, and sci-if miniatures they 3D print. But that post-apocalyptic scavenger is clearly a rip off of a Chaos Cultist because it has a gas mask and that clockwork automaton is clearly a want to be Stormcast because it has a sword.

Way to belittle a huge section of the hobby, even those who don’t have anything to do with GW, with a very ignorant comment. I don’t think even 3D print and thought that comment was absurd.

I've had good results from FW CS, and I'm here in Texas. Had a terribly warped Demios rear door and some miscast Venatari jet packs. Got them replaced within a couple of week.

Still have not built those Venatari...

 Gert wrote:
FW only seems to be an issue for non-Brits with regards to customer service.
Enjoy your independence, ungrateful colonists.

The few times I have had issues with the small segment of FW stuff I've bought, Customer service in the US has been incredibly good.

axotl wrote:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/803200.page

This is why people hate on Forge World Resin. I had to fight to get these pieces replaced. The album (not shared) has only grown since. I literally taught myself how to pressure cast so that I can take the 1 out of 10 good casts (my armigers for instance - legs and torsos were a nightmare. I was lucky to get one decent version of each variant) and replace my own bad parts. Because so often, their own production is incapable of successfully delivering a proper product. Like, they do it wrong. I'm an amateur, and can prevent mold slips, warping, etc. without it taking longer to do.

Not sure why but there is an adult 18+ warning on your imgur examples. I know the mold slippage is distressing and I agree that the quality is unacceptable from a supposedly premium resin product line but I don't know if I'd classify it as unsuitable for minors!

 warboss wrote:

axotl wrote:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/803200.page

This is why people hate on Forge World Resin. I had to fight to get these pieces replaced. The album (not shared) has only grown since. I literally taught myself how to pressure cast so that I can take the 1 out of 10 good casts (my armigers for instance - legs and torsos were a nightmare. I was lucky to get one decent version of each variant) and replace my own bad parts. Because so often, their own production is incapable of successfully delivering a proper product. Like, they do it wrong. I'm an amateur, and can prevent mold slips, warping, etc. without it taking longer to do.

Not sure why but there is an adult 18+ warning on your imgur examples. I know the mold slippage is distressing and I agree that the quality is unacceptable from a supposedly premium resin product line but I don't know if I'd classify it as unsuitable for minors!

Such horrors must be kept from innocent eyes.

(I'm guessing some automatic algorithm decided the fleshy fingers were fleshy... other things)

Oh wow that's the first confirmation from the world at large that I do, indeed, have sausage fingers. Can't unknow that.

 Gert wrote:
FW only seems to be an issue for non-Brits with regards to customer service.
Enjoy your independence, ungrateful colonists.

I got to shoot my suppressed machine gun yesterday and paid $5/gal for premium gas. Not a bad trade IMO

I dunno, I never had an issue with customer service from either FW or GW.

yeah, over all I've heard nothing but praise for GW's customer service. hell msot people who bash GW harshly will follow with ".. ok I admit they have good CS"

Toofast wrote:

 Gert wrote:
FW only seems to be an issue for non-Brits with regards to customer service.
Enjoy your independence, ungrateful colonists.

I got to shoot my suppressed machine gun yesterday and paid $5/gal for premium gas. Not a bad trade IMO

Not sure what you mean about fuel, that seems pretty high? but yes, there's pros and cons to both our societies for sure.

Personally I haven't had any issues with forge world stuff bar a tank years ago.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Sabotage! wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

I recently bit the bullet on a malcador, which is probably my best painted model now, anyways in the gallery of mine there are two pics which show the parts with moldblocks still attached on it...
i required no gak a saw and sandpaper to remove that huge moldblock off the main body which was placed diagonally on the main body...
considering what resin is, that is very annoying..

Ugh, that is horrible. Looking at it that picture gave me chills! If it’s any consolation the finished tank looks great!

That wasn't even the worst part actually, still hate to saw resin for the whole dust aspect.

If you are buying a large resin kit you have to accept that sometimes you will need to cut/file away gates (the parts where the resin is poured into the mold).

A lot of people don't seem to understand that large resin kits are for experienced hobbyists and not really for casual gamers, I guess this is a failling on behalf of Forge World, as it should be clear to the customer what they will be buying before purchase.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I have to jump on the anti-FW resin train. The stuff I have received has been generally poor quality and needed a ton of work to make serviceable. For the price of the product it should be top notch. Only thing I ever have received from FW that didn't have some sort of defect were 1 Squad of DKoK Engineers (out of nearly 1k points of DKoK), and a few packs of upgrade heads/shoulders. Needless to say I won't buy anything other than upgrades from them, and I really have to like them to do that.

Many other resin miniatures I have dealt with were fantastic. Anvil, Artel W, and many others make miniatures that are amazing quality out of resin. FW should really take note.

I recently bit the bullet on a malcador, which is probably my best painted model now, anyways in the gallery of mine there are two pics which show the parts with moldblocks still attached on it...
i required no gak a saw and sandpaper to remove that huge moldblock off the main body which was placed diagonally on the main body...
considering what resin is, that is very annoying..

That doesn't look like much of an issue, couple of seconds with a hack saw and looks like it's in a location where the track unit will cover it, so only need to be filed\sanded to be flat enough to not get in the way of that piece. That's just what I'd expect for a large resin piece like that.

Oh absolutely but for the price they demand for "rest of the world" category i could expect them to atleast remove that block no?

Alas the worst was fiting the sides into the body, since they were bent but the cake took the tracks, you just get a sprue full off em, and not one schematics to explain to you how much of them you need.

It's a plastic sprue, it was originally for the OOP Leman Russ tank. Not sure why you'd need instructions to stick them in place? I've got three Malcador variants at home and they went together very easily I thought. You even get plenty of leftover track bits in case you make some kind of blunder.

I have been looking at starting Horus Heresy but I have a feeling it will follow the GW regular codex crap. I know right now they did those Liber Astartes and Liber Hereticus but that reminds me of when they came out with a new release of 40k and did those indexes which were only good for like a few months while they released codexes for each army.

Honestly the box set looks like a decent value or starting point but I am still kinda fearing GW will do the GW thing.

Anyone know if they will go the codex route with HH?

angel of death 007 wrote:
Anyone know if they will go the codex route with HH?

At the moment, impossible to know for the long term. It would seem unlikely, given that the roadmap states that they're doing a Liber Mechanicum w/Titans and Knights, Liber Imperium with others to follow. They seem committed to big book style over the codicies. At least for now.
Personally, I think we'll see the Warzone style books for specific legendary battles/campaigns. Sort of how the FW black books went. So more details on those events and maybe some additional rules for missions/certain legion units.
The June White Dwarf article on Zone Mortalis goes so far as to say that there would be a "A more complete and exhaustive Zone Mortalis rules set to be released in future publications." I doubt they'd print that sort of the thing in a Faction Liber. That's campaign/warzone type stuff.

 Snrub wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
Anyone know if they will go the codex route with HH?

At the moment, impossible to know for the long term. It would seem unlikely, given that the roadmap states that they're doing a Liber Mechanicum w/Titans and Knights, Liber Imperium with others to follow. They seem committed to big book style over the codicies. At least for now.
Personally, I think we'll see the Warzone style books for specific legendary battles/campaigns. Sort of how the FW black books went. So more details on those events and maybe some additional rules for missions/certain legion units.
The June White Dwarf article on Zone Mortalis goes so far as to say that there would be a "A more complete and exhaustive Zone Mortalis rules set to be released in future publications." I doubt they'd print that sort of the thing in a Faction Liber. That's campaign/warzone type stuff.

I feel they're handling it like Middleearth: a nice starter Set, a big rulebook and large army books that give everything you need. After that I'd expect campaign books to follow that add special scenario rules and some new units or updates to existing units because of new weapon options here and there while they're turning the resin range into plastic.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I feel they're handling it like Middleearth

That's an apt comparison actually and so far it does seem to be the method they're going with for 30k. It'll be interesting to see if they continue down that track. It's certainly not one i'm opposed too.

 Snrub wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I feel they're handling it like Middleearth

That's an apt comparison actually and so far it does seem to be the method they're going with for 30k. It'll be interesting to see if they continue down that track. It's certainly not one i'm opposed too.

I'm not familar with ME these days but I'm not a fan of the campaign book method of releasing rules. Ends up with rules scattered everywhere and potentially needing several books just for 1 army. It's less egregious when it's done by a company that doesn't charge the Earth for books, but even then I don't find it terribly desirable.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I feel they're handling it like Middleearth

That's an apt comparison actually and so far it does seem to be the method they're going with for 30k. It'll be interesting to see if they continue down that track. It's certainly not one i'm opposed too.

I'm not familar with ME these days but I'm not a fan of the campaign book method of releasing rules. Ends up with rules scattered everywhere and potentially needing several books just for 1 army. It's less egregious when it's done by a company that doesn't charge the Earth for books, but even then I don't find it terribly desirable.

It depends. There are few factions in middle earth whose unit profiles are spread through multiple books (Mordor and Rohan might have that problem especially). But most are good to go with 1 expansion (and these are about two a year, so not really a fast pace). For 30K I'd expect for the short future to see plastic updates before they really push into new stuff. So people might be pretty save with the current army books for quite some time.

The intent of the design of the Middle-earth campaign books seems to be 90% scenarios and campaigns, with the new units/etc that are part of said scenarios/campaigns as an 'appendix' for the matched play/tournament folk. It seems to me as a new entrant into Horus Heresy that this would fit in with the current idea of HH being a narrative/"historical" game, and I would be a huge proponent of, as I primarily play scenarios (especially asymmetric ones).

I've NEVER had an issue with FW Customer Service (it has always been stellar) but especially after dealing with smaller independent Resin casters (Hardcore Minis, Artel W) I really had my eyes opened on what a GOOD resin cast looks like.

FW wasn't any better or worse than Kromlech, or MaxMini, or some others, for anything I ordered, but the detail and quality (and good design) on some other resin casters blows it out of the water. Now, having said that, most of the casters I am praising seem to focus on smaller minis and not huge vehicles, but their detail is just insane. Clearly cast, distinct individual zipper teeth, stitching in scars, etc., plus models with numbers on the base of the feet, and the pegs of the parts, so that you can match stuff up after clipping it off the sprue. Just absurdly nice stuff.

Oddly enough, however, the instructions on their resin models are completely non-existent. I thought FW assembly diagrams were bad until I got models that have none whatsoever and you have to look at their web site and see where they say two parts go together. It's like they took the huge expense of creating B&W assembly sheets and photocopying them and reinvested into high quality resin casting.