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IDK if this counts as HH news but they recently moved Paul Norton from main studio to specialist. I know Specialist are known for their grittier style, which can sometimes look great, but also, how many times have you seen "It might be good, I can't tell, the paint is horrendous" spoken about an SG release? Well, anyway, 'eavy metal painter moves to SG, might count as news to some https://www.instagram.com/p/CgHoTzZtebn/

JWBS wrote:
IDK if this counts as HH news but they recently moved Paul Norton from main studio to specialist. I know Specialist are known for their grittier style, which can sometimes look great, but also, how many times have you seen "It might be good, I can't tell, the paint is horrendous" spoken about an SG release? Well, anyway, 'eavy metal painter moves to SG, might count as news to some https://www.instagram.com/p/CgHoTzZtebn/

LOL, well said. Glad to see GW is investing more resources into these games!

JWBS wrote:
IDK if this counts as HH news but they recently moved Paul Norton from main studio to specialist. I know Specialist are known for their grittier style, which can sometimes look great, but also, how many times have you seen "It might be good, I can't tell, the paint is horrendous" spoken about an SG release? Well, anyway, 'eavy metal painter moves to SG, might count as news to some https://www.instagram.com/p/CgHoTzZtebn/

ya I'm all about the gritty I mean look at gal vorbak and then look at the new possesed. The gal vorbak are like 10x better.

Yes it's good when it's good. Some of their paintjobs are just straight up bad though. Personally I prefer the main studio more stylised look anyway, so I have an obvious bias, but sometimes the SG paintjobs are objectively bad (not literally objectively since it's clearly my opinion, but about as close to objectively as is possible. In my opinion).

62.5e for leviathan. Could be worse. Primaris dread 55e so close. As expected web order for separate sprue limiting flgs discount so most likely will get 1 of both as don't expect price diffrence between 2 flgs discount full box be that much bigger than 1 plus no discount sprue

I know this is gonna sound alarmist, and out of character for me….

But GW really need to pull their finger out on Horus Heresy.

We’ve already been shown a Contemptor Kit, further heavy weapons, the Sicaran, Predator and Shooty Leviathan kit officially, and unofficially the Landraider Proteus dual kit.

These are of course highly desirable by new and established players both. So….where are they?

We are of course aware GW had issues surrounding their production capacity pre-plague years, and the status of their additions is ambiguous (lots of “I was told that” type stuff). But….seriously.

Get releasing already. I wants my shiny toys, and I don’t want Heresy to lose momentum. As someone who loathes resin, Ive waited a long time for plastics. And I dare say I’m far from alone in that.

And 40k players want their releases. And aos want theirs. And gw doesnjt want releases fighting each other for the first key month of sales

tneva82 wrote:
62.5e for leviathan.

So the same price as the Legion Tactical Squads?

Haven't checked their price as not buying them but checked gw's retailer price list today(it's on gw site) and 62.5 euros.

Edit: just went to flgs and noticed box of those marines. Indeed same price.

So expecting £47.50. That’s….hmm. That’s a price I’ll seek a discount on, I think.

A price worthy of not having all options in, clearly.

The (Legion specific) bodies from FW are £58.50, and the arms are £15.50 each so it's half the cost of the FW resin one.

beast_gts wrote:
The (Legion specific) bodies from FW are £58.50, and the arms are £15.50 each so it's half the cost of the FW resin one.

That's nice and all, but it's not like "FW prices are even crazier than GW ones" is exactly a hot take.

Better compare GW things with GW things, no? I'm sure they are grownup enough not to need anyone to try and justify anything they do.

I posted that in response to MDG.

If it is £47.50, it's a fiver more than the Redemptor which has one(?) arm option.


Also, is four day reveal and pre-order announcement the quickest turn-around they've had?

It’s still the thick end of £50

Yeah kinda glad I'm not such a huge fan of the Leviathan, it'll be one and done for me.

As for GW to GW comparisons, it looks decent value compared to Abaddon (a model I am actually a fan of, but can't really justify buying at £30 from most discounters. I predict I'll buy him when they announce the next wave of price rises and include Abaddon in there, and I'll convince myself "Actually better value now!!! Better than it will be next month!! Great deal, I'll buy!".

/Edit - how big do you reckon Abaddon is compared to the Leviathan, in terms of volume? I don't own either but a rough guess, maybe at most one third? (much better looking model imo, but still doesn't justify being over two thirds of the price of a Leviathan at only 1/3 the size. That's a bit like paying double. Even knowing well the wonky GWenomics it sticks in my throat a bit). edit2 - Actually Abby is like 80% of the price of the dread, not 65% as just said a minute ago. Makes me slightly queasy : (

 Albertorius wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
The (Legion specific) bodies from FW are £58.50, and the arms are £15.50 each so it's half the cost of the FW resin one.

That's nice and all, but it's not like "FW prices are even crazier than GW ones" is exactly a hot take.

Better compare GW things with GW things, no? I'm sure they are grownup enough not to need anyone to try and justify anything they do.

For that point, the Redemptor Dread from Geedubs is £42.50.

I got a hunch that the HH stuff is goinna be higher priced then 40k stuff, it'll be, in theory, justifable but if you get into HH, as always expect to have a expensive army


or to 3d print it

 Albertorius wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
The (Legion specific) bodies from FW are £58.50, and the arms are £15.50 each so it's half the cost of the FW resin one.

That's nice and all, but it's not like "FW prices are even crazier than GW ones" is exactly a hot take.

Better compare GW things with GW things, no? I'm sure they are grownup enough not to need anyone to try and justify anything they do.

Well redemptor is only tad cheaper. How do they size up comparatively?

This sucks price wise if you want just one with one melee and one gun arm and rest of 4 weapons are worthless(and somehow can't find buyer) for you. Other than that decent price in gw terms.

If this is too expensive just stop gw models as prices won't be better so why stick? This isn't worse than usual and infact was cheaper than iexpected.

If that theory would be true, then why is it so far consistently cheaper to buy HH models?

F.e. Deimos Rhinos are cheaper than normal or forbid SoB rhinos.

20 box tacs is cheaper than 2 boxes tacs, even with special upgrade box thrown in.

Doubly so when you play CSM..

BrianDavion wrote:
I got a hunch that the HH stuff is goinna be higher priced then 40k stuff, it'll be, in theory, justifable but if you get into HH, as always expect to have a expensive army


or to 3d print it

The Deimos rhino is £28 and the sisters of battle one is £35.

Not Online!!! wrote:
If that theory would be true, then why is it so far consistently cheaper to buy HH models?

F.e. Deimos Rhinos are cheaper than normal or forbid SoB rhinos.

20 box tacs is cheaper than 2 boxes tacs, even with special upgrade box thrown in.

Doubly so when you play CSM..

Deimos doesn't come up with razorback. Less stuff, cheaper price

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
If that theory would be true, then why is it so far consistently cheaper to buy HH models?

F.e. Deimos Rhinos are cheaper than normal or forbid SoB rhinos.

20 box tacs is cheaper than 2 boxes tacs, even with special upgrade box thrown in.

Doubly so when you play CSM..

Deimos doesn't come up with razorback. Less stuff, cheaper price

Neither does the SoB one.

I'm not saying that all HH stuff is gonna be more expensive or that GW is imposing a "HH tax" they're not, and for what we GET the HH kits are pretty well priced, but rather due to larger unit sizes more points, etc HH is going to have a larger cost outlay and I do think we're OCCASIONALLY gonna get cases of sticker shock, at least until we look at the contents of "Box X" and go ......... "thats actually pretty good"

BrianDavion wrote:
I'm not saying that all HH stuff is gonna be more expensive or that GW is imposing a "HH tax" they're not, and for what we GET the HH kits are pretty well priced, but rather due to larger unit sizes more points, etc HH is going to have a larger cost outlay and I do think we're OCCASIONALLY gonna get cases of sticker shock, at least until we look at the contents of "Box X" and go ......... "thats actually pretty good"

I don't know if it is fundamentally more expensive to play 2000 pts of 40k vs 3000 pts of 30k. FWIW there are already army set ups and factions in 40k that math out close enough to all resin armies from fw...
I also don't know if 3000 pts will be what the 30k community will play around with locally.

This is the part where the unpaid defenders argue an upgrade sprue costing half the price of an entire kit is better than just including all the options in the box.

tneva82 wrote:

Well redemptor is only tad cheaper. How do they size up comparatively?

Redemptor is a bit bigger/wider.

I'd be happy with that price if it had all the weapons. With only 2 arms and 4 hands in the kit and the other sprue being probably 25€ standalone, it's a "think thrice" purchase for sure. Looks like Heresy affordability was only a launch day special.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'd be happy with that price if it had all the weapons. With only 2 arms and 4 hands in the kit and the other sprue being probably 25€ standalone, it's a "think thrice" purchase for sure. Looks like Heresy affordability was only a launch day special.

Or, what could be likely, GW prices for Points and army slots, which would make dreads very efficent to build an army and by extention prices them like they price HQ... by basically going straight to lala-land.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Get releasing already. I wants my shiny toys, and I don’t want Heresy to lose momentum. As someone who loathes resin, Ive waited a long time for plastics. And I dare say I’m far from alone in that.

Pretty much lost interest in starting 30K already...
I really thought that this release / core product would be launching with almost everything available, or at least weekly / large monthly drops. I commented on this before, but who is going to be the unlucky sod whose legion of choice is the last to receive upgrade packs? It's going to be a long wait for sure! I've been signed up for email alerts on the Mark III and Mark IV restocks with the website, but haven't had a single peep about them appearing. My third party stockists of choice (Element Games and Goblin Games) have never seen these arrive, and show no sign of them being made available in the near future. I wanted to buy a couple of boxes of the mentioned armour marks, mix them in with some of the earlier Mark V resin pieces I've had for years, and start moving towards building an Emperors Children force.

Everyone wants something shiny and new for their game system of choice, but Heresy is/was flagged as a new core line - the drip feeding of info, and even slower releases, is pretty poor IMO.

Eiríkr wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Get releasing already. I wants my shiny toys, and I don’t want Heresy to lose momentum. As someone who loathes resin, Ive waited a long time for plastics. And I dare say I’m far from alone in that.

Pretty much lost interest in starting 30K already...
I really thought that this release / core product would be launching with almost everything available, or at least weekly / large monthly drops. I commented on this before, but who is going to be the unlucky sod whose legion of choice is the last to receive upgrade packs? It's going to be a long wait for sure! I've been signed up for email alerts on the Mark III and Mark IV restocks with the website, but haven't had a single peep about them appearing. My third party stockists of choice (Element Games and Goblin Games) have never seen these arrive, and show no sign of them being made available in the near future.

Everyone wants something shiny and new for their game system of choice, but Heresy is/was flagged as a new core line - the drip feeding of info, and even slower releases, is pretty poor IMO.

The Mark 3 and 4 kits you have to keep an eye on the webstore for. People are claiming the email notification is buggered? But I've looked and they do appear for a bit, then vanish, then appear again a few days later.

The big online discounters don't seem to be stocking them at all because of the margins. I've a couple of friends who ordered from Battleground Gaming and had theirs arrive a week ago after ordering around the big box preorder.