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Rihgu wrote: only 375 points for a command squad equivalent with power weapons. We get to re-roll 1s against Independent Characters and Primarchs, and cost 100 points more than the jump-pack equipped dawnbreaker cohort/locutarus storm squadron, or 140ish points more than a similarly equipped ACTUAL command squad. Wtf?
Oh, right, banestrike bolters!
I'm getting the feeling that GW is overpriced power weapons on Sons of Horus because they want Sons of Horus to be good at killing unarmored things (so comparatively cheap chainswords, chainaxes but abhorrently expensive power weapons and better on our unique weapons).
Not a useful niche to be in the Horus Heresy.
I can't check myself right now, but can command squads purchase boarding shields?
Rihgu wrote: only 375 points for a command squad equivalent with power weapons. We get to re-roll 1s against Independent Characters and Primarchs, and cost 100 points more than the jump-pack equipped dawnbreaker cohort/locutarus storm squadron, or 140ish points more than a similarly equipped ACTUAL command squad. Wtf?
Oh, right, banestrike bolters!
I'm getting the feeling that GW is overpriced power weapons on Sons of Horus because they want Sons of Horus to be good at killing unarmored things (so comparatively cheap chainswords, chainaxes but abhorrently expensive power weapons and better on our unique weapons).
Not a useful niche to be in the Horus Heresy.
I can't check myself right now, but can command squads purchase boarding shields?
Yes, at 5ppm (which feels overpriced). So basically these guys trade basic artificer armor for boarding shields and then have to pay 5ppm to get artificer armor. Then they pay 2x as much for power weapons as command squads.
The only thing that "feels right" points wise here is their built-in banestrike bolters, which cost 2ppm on veterans and if we assume artificer armor and boarding shields are both 5ppm, 18points for command squad vs 20points for chieftain is fine.
They're fine, I guess. But the drip feed of heads and shoulders 'for later' seems like a consistent waste of a thursday preview slot. Apart from the really bizarro helmets, there really isn't anything to see or say.
Voss wrote: They're fine, I guess. But the drip feed of heads and shoulders 'for later' seems like a consistent waste of a thursday preview slot. Apart from the really bizarro helmets, there really isn't anything to see or say.
Yeah, it does feel a bit of a waste of time if you have no ETA on when they are being released. "We will be releasing White Scars heads and shoulder pads at some point". Cool, we all assumed you would, just like how you will for every other legion. Without the "when", feels kind of pointless.
It does increasingly seem like they are just playing for time as they can't produce stuff fast enough at the moment. All these legion specific extras should have been there day 1, when people had 40 space marines who would have looked really nice with some legion specific gear
But I'd prefer plastics to hunting down files that can pass for official, and most have been DMCA'd before I even started.
The bigger bugbear for me is when the 3d print versions don't almost exactly match the official mini. If I already have a couple units of something using official minis and I'm looking to add some more, if theres a noticeable size difference or a difference in the level of detail then to me those files are not usable. Big reason why I never bother 3d printing stuff that isn't already released - if I like the official sculpts better then the 3d prints basically become worthless as they aren't going to match up exactly.
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ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Any firm confirmation on the UK price for the Leviathan yet? I *could* extrapolate from the EU price but GW exchange rates are so random it seems a bit pointless.
Go to gw site, very bottom games workshop submenu, retailerr(leads to , https://trade.games-workshop.com/), view all resources, from drop down guidance docs, order forms. Here you can find price lists. Sunday preorders next week announced, Monday price available.
And prices aren't random as such. If you find matching price it's same.
I don’t know about the RotW, but as someone in the US I have to set the site to the UK region when first asked. Otherwise the price lists won’t show up for me. From there take the £47.50 price of the leviathan and find something that is the same price on the UK site, the Impulsor is £47.50. Then change the region to your local currency, €62.50 or $80.
Voss wrote: They're fine, I guess. But the drip feed of heads and shoulders 'for later' seems like a consistent waste of a thursday preview slot. Apart from the really bizarro helmets, there really isn't anything to see or say.
Yeah, it does feel a bit of a waste of time if you have no ETA on when they are being released. "We will be releasing White Scars heads and shoulder pads at some point". Cool, we all assumed you would, just like how you will for every other legion. Without the "when", feels kind of pointless.
It does increasingly seem like they are just playing for time as they can't produce stuff fast enough at the moment. All these legion specific extras should have been there day 1, when people had 40 space marines who would have looked really nice with some legion specific gear
Well yes but...then when they release the upgrades(2,4,6mo) later and you see how "cool" they are you'll wanna buy more. I was genuinely surprised that the old deimos doors fit the new kit, would have thought they'd be just different enuff to not be compatible.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Quite underwhelming heads for the scars. A top knot and a few extra studs for the most part, the paint job is what makes them interesting.
Voss wrote: They're fine, I guess. But the drip feed of heads and shoulders 'for later' seems like a consistent waste of a thursday preview slot. Apart from the really bizarro helmets, there really isn't anything to see or say.
Yeah, it does feel a bit of a waste of time if you have no ETA on when they are being released. "We will be releasing White Scars heads and shoulder pads at some point". Cool, we all assumed you would, just like how you will for every other legion. Without the "when", feels kind of pointless.
It does increasingly seem like they are just playing for time as they can't produce stuff fast enough at the moment. All these legion specific extras should have been there day 1, when people had 40 space marines who would have looked really nice with some legion specific gear
Yeah. I haven't even opened age of darkness. No point as I actually want to get the EC upgrades before I start.
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Voss wrote: They're fine, I guess. But the drip feed of heads and shoulders 'for later' seems like a consistent waste of a thursday preview slot. Apart from the really bizarro helmets, there really isn't anything to see or say.
Yeah, it does feel a bit of a waste of time if you have no ETA on when they are being released. "We will be releasing White Scars heads and shoulder pads at some point". Cool, we all assumed you would, just like how you will for every other legion. Without the "when", feels kind of pointless.
It does increasingly seem like they are just playing for time as they can't produce stuff fast enough at the moment. All these legion specific extras should have been there day 1, when people had 40 space marines who would have looked really nice with some legion specific gear
Yeah. I haven't even opened age of darkness. No point as I actually want to get the EC upgrades before I start.
Same thing for my Iron Hands. Even both of the books are still wrapped in foil.
Voss wrote: They're fine, I guess. But the drip feed of heads and shoulders 'for later' seems like a consistent waste of a thursday preview slot. Apart from the really bizarro helmets, there really isn't anything to see or say.
I am working on my Tsons now. I can't wait until they reveal the Tsons upgrades in September, so that I can buy them in December and finish working on my Tsons. You know, the ones I'm working on right now. In July. I just love waiting for things that should have been part of the launch.
Voss wrote: They're fine, I guess. But the drip feed of heads and shoulders 'for later' seems like a consistent waste of a thursday preview slot. Apart from the really bizarro helmets, there really isn't anything to see or say.
I am working on my Tsons now. I can't wait until they reveal the Tsons upgrades in September, so that I can buy them in December and finish working on my Tsons. You know, the ones I'm working on right now. In July. I just love waiting for things that should have been part of the launch.
Yeah it’s kinda backfiring. I’ve put the brakes on anything I can only use for 30k, since I want to see what they have in store for iron hands. Gonna stick strictly to vehicles and not buy any more infantry than came with the starter box.
Are ya'll doing _every_ marine with the upgrades? The Salamanders I'm working on are just the mk6 kits plus a squad of mk3's with the old FW upgrades for a veteran squad. Then, if I'm feeling saucy, get a mk6 Salamander set when they get released maybe to make some guys with "artificer" armor. Logistically I can't fathom how a Legion receiving a resupply of mass produced powered armor would then have the time to redecorate everything before use...
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judgedoug wrote: Are ya'll doing _every_ marine with the upgrades? The Salamanders I'm working on are just the mk6 kits plus a squad of mk3's with the old FW upgrades for a veteran squad. Then, if I'm feeling saucy, get a mk6 Salamander set when they get released maybe to make some guys with "artificer" armor. Logistically I can't fathom how a Legion receiving a resupply of mass produced powered armor would then have the time to redecorate everything before use...
some legions work a bit better with the default stuff then others, the IFs for example I see no pressing need to get the upgrades for
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
judgedoug wrote: Are ya'll doing _every_ marine with the upgrades? The Salamanders I'm working on are just the mk6 kits plus a squad of mk3's with the old FW upgrades for a veteran squad. Then, if I'm feeling saucy, get a mk6 Salamander set when they get released maybe to make some guys with "artificer" armor. Logistically I can't fathom how a Legion receiving a resupply of mass produced powered armor would then have the time to redecorate everything before use...
My plan was to only do my three Veteran Squads and my Special Weapons and Heavy Weapons squads with the upgrades. For my basic legionaries, I'm using upgrade heads for the sergeants only.
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Boosykes wrote: What happend to the dark angel heads? When do they drop?
We don't know. The implication has been that it might be months before ANY of these heads are available for purchase.
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judgedoug wrote: Are ya'll doing _every_ marine with the upgrades? The Salamanders I'm working on are just the mk6 kits plus a squad of mk3's with the old FW upgrades for a veteran squad. Then, if I'm feeling saucy, get a mk6 Salamander set when they get released maybe to make some guys with "artificer" armor. Logistically I can't fathom how a Legion receiving a resupply of mass produced powered armor would then have the time to redecorate everything before use...
Before my army got stolen, all of the infantry had Salamander heads & pauldrons, all vehicles had Salamander specific iconography(etched brass, doors, etc), & characters had other upgrades(cybernetics, etc). I'm kinda peeved that the 18th's stuff isn't out but it's not gonna stop me as I have a bunch of Salamander bits & I'll say keep the mkvi plain(with some random variation in pauldrons) and adorn my replacement mkiii/iv as true veterans with all the associated bling or whatever.
Luckily as Blood Angels I can just add in a few shoulders here and there from the 40k kits. They aren't perfect and I wouldn't want too many of them in there, but the odd sergeant or special guy with a primaris shoulder pad looks ok. Then again, I've mixed in a bunch of Mark IV heads and shoulder pads into the mix as well, as I just think it looks better for 30k to have a bit of a ramshackle bunch of mismatched and partially upgraded gear.
Still, would be nice to actually have the option of putting proper 30k blood angels gear on some of them as well, really can't see any decent reason not to have had all these things ready on release. Particularly rough on those armies that are a bit unique and really need a bit of glamming up
But I'd prefer plastics to hunting down files that can pass for official, and most have been DMCA'd before I even started.
The bigger bugbear for me is when the 3d print versions don't almost exactly match the official mini. If I already have a couple units of something using official minis and I'm looking to add some more, if theres a noticeable size difference or a difference in the level of detail then to me those files are not usable. Big reason why I never bother 3d printing stuff that isn't already released - if I like the official sculpts better then the 3d prints basically become worthless as they aren't going to match up exactly.
Well, GW basically invalidated their entire infantry range with the scale change, so either I'm waiting months or years until they replace it, or I just print everything, not give GW a dime, and not care how the official models will look. They did this to themselves. I'm even gonna splurge for a new 8k, large plate printer, it costs as much as 10 resin jetbikes that aren't even scaled to the new plastics. And I need way more than 10.
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But I'd prefer plastics to hunting down files that can pass for official, and most have been DMCA'd before I even started.
The bigger bugbear for me is when the 3d print versions don't almost exactly match the official mini. If I already have a couple units of something using official minis and I'm looking to add some more, if theres a noticeable size difference or a difference in the level of detail then to me those files are not usable. Big reason why I never bother 3d printing stuff that isn't already released - if I like the official sculpts better then the 3d prints basically become worthless as they aren't going to match up exactly.
Well, GW basically invalidated their entire infantry range with the scale change, so either I'm waiting months or years until they replace it, or I just print everything, not give GW a dime, and not care how the official models will look. They did this to themselves. I'm even gonna splurge for a new 8k, large plate printer, it costs as much as 10 resin jetbikes that aren't even scaled to the new plastics. And I need way more than 10.
I agree, though I will still buy the excellent plastic miniatures, this has made me make the plunge into 3d printing myself. I'm even playing Sons of Horus, and I can't purchase head upgrades, due to them being sold out.
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