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 Albertorius wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Although to be fair the Mk6 sprues are some of the most stingy product GW has ever made, from the size of the sprues they look like GW crammed an infantry kit into an Aeronautica production slot or something.

Unfortunately true, yes.If they had used the same resources as in the older HH plastic marks (3 full sprues instead of one and a half), they would have been glorious.

By the same token - if they had done that do you think we'd have gotten 40 marines in the Starter box? We'd have gotten 20 instead. The box is already large, and completely stuffed.

 Snrub wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
ya know here's a thought, we know that sometime DURING the Heresy, Saturine pattern armor was developed. fanon has long used the term for the "early model" look, but what if Saturine armor is a "MK V" terminator armor, that is essentially a blend of both?

4Unless there's been retcons that i've missed, (and there's every chance of that), isn't this Saturnine pattern armour?

that is a fan assumption, it's never actually been confirmed.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Although to be fair the Mk6 sprues are some of the most stingy product GW has ever made, from the size of the sprues they look like GW crammed an infantry kit into an Aeronautica production slot or something.

Unfortunately true, yes.If they had used the same resources as in the older HH plastic marks (3 full sprues instead of one and a half), they would have been glorious.

By the same token - if they had done that do you think we'd have gotten 40 marines in the Starter box? We'd have gotten 20 instead. The box is already large, and completely stuffed.

I... don't really see why not? For each 10 you get in the box you get two duplicated regular sprues and a smaller one. This way you'd get three regular sprues, and that would have fit in the box. Of course, they might have decided that was "too good" of a deal and gone 30 marines instead of 40, but personally I'd have been OK with that.

Spare weapons at £16 isn’t too awful, even if it’s seems we can’t get them further discounted elsewhere.

Reckon I’ll be in the market for a set of the Heavy Weapons in due course.

The levi sprue has 3 different (plain, loyalist, heretic) front plate and groin armour options, so kind of similar to the Adeptus Titanicus titan kits.

Also seems the shoulder trim comes as standard, rather than being tied to the CCW Kit variant.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Also seems the shoulder trim comes as standard, rather than being tied to the CCW Kit variant.

The important part is that it's completely optional.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Let's not do this again - the store description says Cataphractii but it's ornate enough to pass for any.

"Let's not do this again" he says, as he does it again

This summarises the entirety of DakkaDakka.

Preordered leviathan. Hopefully gun variant comes soon. Half armed leviathan isn't ideal

On the Levi price.

Core model, whether shooty or punchy doesn’t seem too bad. And the spare weapons being £16 doesn’t feel too bad, despite we can’t readily get a discount on it as we can the chassis.

But.

Is this a form of Forgeworld Stockholm Syndrome (there’s a pun in there…let me think on it.)?

I mean, neither price is cheap. It’s still a wedge of dosh. Yet it remains markedly cheaper than the resin version, especially if you want a single chassis but every possible loadout.

Rubicon Plasticaris version - £47.50 for the chassis and one set of weapons. Then three weapon seats at £16 (less one if you’re super handy with magnets and fancy doing it for the CCW fingers). Total £95.50

FW? Going off the DA chassis? That’s £58.50. Then the weapons are £15.50 each. And zero chance of any discount ever unless you fancy seeking out a recast, something I do not endorse in the slightest but you do you.

I hadn't paid attention to FW prices but ~60e for a chunky Dreadnought on 80mm base and ~20e for a weapon sprue is pretty much what I expected. I am not saying it's what they should cost, but it's what I did expect.

Just a heads up to anyone waiting on FW stuff to come back in stock. It said out if stock on some things I wanted when looking at them in the menus, but then we're in stock when I actually clicked on them. Hopefully they actually are in stock as its let me put an order in for my Illastrus assault cannons and apothecary pair

Someone pointed out in FB that the highlighted image of Dreadnought arms on weapon sprue product page is misleading because the weapon sprue doesn't include shoulder joints.

BigOscar wrote:
Just a heads up to anyone waiting on FW stuff to come back in stock. It said out if stock on some things I wanted when looking at them in the menus, but then we're in stock when I actually clicked on them. Hopefully they actually are in stock as its let me put an order in for my Illastrus assault cannons and apothecary pair

I wouldn't have much faith in that. I ordered a selection of items three weeks ago when the Cataphractii arms came back in stock and it still hasn't shipped.

No One Important wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Just a heads up to anyone waiting on FW stuff to come back in stock. It said out if stock on some things I wanted when looking at them in the menus, but then we're in stock when I actually clicked on them. Hopefully they actually are in stock as its let me put an order in for my Illastrus assault cannons and apothecary pair

I wouldn't have much faith in that. I ordered a selection of items three weeks ago when the Cataphractii arms came back in stock and it still hasn't shipped.

Something I found out recently: The more items in an order, the longer it takes them to send. I did an order with 6 items and it took 2 weeks. Did an order with a single character, shipped the day I ordered it and received it two days later(and before the larger order). My friends and I have been keeping track of our recent orders and the pattern tracks within the entire group.

No One Important wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Just a heads up to anyone waiting on FW stuff to come back in stock. It said out if stock on some things I wanted when looking at them in the menus, but then we're in stock when I actually clicked on them. Hopefully they actually are in stock as its let me put an order in for my Illastrus assault cannons and apothecary pair

I wouldn't have much faith in that. I ordered a selection of items three weeks ago when the Cataphractii arms came back in stock and it still hasn't shipped.

Yeah, I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. At the very least I hope its a back order so will get sent when have it, which is better than the standard "alert" sign up that never happens.

Not really sure why pre/back ordering out of stock stuff isn't an option anyway, seems like a no brainer as you're getting peoples money in advance and helping to know what is in high demand and worth prioritising

BigOscar wrote:

No One Important wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Just a heads up to anyone waiting on FW stuff to come back in stock. It said out if stock on some things I wanted when looking at them in the menus, but then we're in stock when I actually clicked on them. Hopefully they actually are in stock as its let me put an order in for my Illastrus assault cannons and apothecary pair

I wouldn't have much faith in that. I ordered a selection of items three weeks ago when the Cataphractii arms came back in stock and it still hasn't shipped.

Yeah, I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. At the very least I hope its a back order so will get sent when have it, which is better than the standard "alert" sign up that never happens.

Not really sure why pre/back ordering out of stock stuff isn't an option anyway, seems like a no brainer as you're getting peoples money in advance and helping to know what is in high demand and worth prioritising

Probably because they don't want to get a string of complaints when it takes them a year to get something back in stock, if it ever comes back in stock.

 Platuan4th wrote:

No One Important wrote:

BigOscar wrote:
Just a heads up to anyone waiting on FW stuff to come back in stock. It said out if stock on some things I wanted when looking at them in the menus, but then we're in stock when I actually clicked on them. Hopefully they actually are in stock as its let me put an order in for my Illastrus assault cannons and apothecary pair

I wouldn't have much faith in that. I ordered a selection of items three weeks ago when the Cataphractii arms came back in stock and it still hasn't shipped.

Something I found out recently: The more items in an order, the longer it takes them to send. I did an order with 6 items and it took 2 weeks. Did an order with a single character, shipped the day I ordered it and received it two days later(and before the larger order). My friends and I have been keeping track of our recent orders and the pattern tracks within the entire group.

Then that's pretty worrisome since I only ordered 5 things. Their new tracking software and swap to UPS certainly doesn't help either, because according to one it hasn't been shipped yet (but it never does) and according to the other I have a package on the way that seems to fit the timeframe except it won't tell me who it's from, it's not yet in UPS' custody, I got a notice just a couple of days ago, and the expected delivery date is two weeks ago. For the level of uncertainty, time it takes to deliver, and frequent out of stocks, it's feeling more and more worthwhile to skip Forge World entirely and pursue alternatives, though what those alternatives are... well, that's for each individual to determine for themselves.

Just a side note: I found out yesterday that GW closed its warehouses on Monday and Tuesday because of the weather so some orders to third parties have been delayed; perhaps this is also affecting FW orders this week? Not sure if they use the same warehousing as the main branch.

So I got the Leviathan Dreadnought early and wrote this review, I also took some high-res pictures of the sprues so you can see all the different chest and groin plates:

https://taleofpainters.com/2022/07/review-horus-heresy-leviathan-dreadnought-with-claw-and-drill-weapons/

Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't look like the Leviathan has the same easy-to-magnetize setup as the contemptor. I guess the power cable/shoulder vents makes it more complicated anyway, but it's still a kick in the pants.

I'll just forget cables if they are issue. Worked with warhound and reavers

Ash didn't seem to have a problem magnetizing it

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ash didn't seem to have a problem magnetizing it

His solution works pretty nice, but the question will be if he magnetized them at the right point for the gun arms.

Trying to figure out as it seems like HH was a good release for GW, yet you don't really see any lists anywhere? Is it due to the large points game size (3000 pts), the fact that most units are FW and not available or something else?

Even all the online reviews, don't give any idea of how to really build an army, just what special features the particular legion has. GMG did a decent review of each legion, but honestly seeing a few army list examples and why they work would have been a lot better then just reading from the Libre.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ash didn't seem to have a problem magnetizing it

His cables aren't actually connected because he didn't use the melee-arm part for the shoulder so the cable doesn't attach there

angel of death 007 wrote:
Trying to figure out as it seems like HH was a good release for GW, yet you don't really see any lists anywhere? Is it due to the large points game size (3000 pts), the fact that most units are FW and not available or something else?

Even all the online reviews, don't give any idea of how to really build an army, just what special features the particular legion has. GMG did a decent review of each legion, but honestly seeing a few army list examples and why they work would have been a lot better then just reading from the Libre.

I think that is part of the problem. GW doesn't want to direct people to FW, they want people to stay in the GW plastic eco-system. Sadly most of the cool toys are in resin but I reckons eventually most will be in plastic except the really big stuff like Thunderhawks, Sokar pattern stormbird, glaves, flachion, fellblades etc.

With the spartian in plastic I hope to see the Typhon and Cerberus in plastic eventually. I would LOVE to have a plastic THawk but I don't see it any time soon.

I don't see them starting to knock on the door of LOW being plastic before most of the line/vehicles have crossed the Rubicon...


Could be wrong(kinda hope i am), given how the spartan sprue was laid out.

Considering FW raised their prices TWICE in the last year... And that you can't get discount from them.. GW wouldn't be that much cheaper.

 FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
Trying to figure out as it seems like HH was a good release for GW, yet you don't really see any lists anywhere? Is it due to the large points game size (3000 pts), the fact that most units are FW and not available or something else?

Even all the online reviews, don't give any idea of how to really build an army, just what special features the particular legion has. GMG did a decent review of each legion, but honestly seeing a few army list examples and why they work would have been a lot better then just reading from the Libre.

I think that is part of the problem. GW doesn't want to direct people to FW, they want people to stay in the GW plastic eco-system. Sadly most of the cool toys are in resin but I reckons eventually most will be in plastic except the really big stuff like Thunderhawks, Sokar pattern stormbird, glaves, flachion, fellblades etc.

With the spartian in plastic I hope to see the Typhon and Cerberus in plastic eventually. I would LOVE to have a plastic THawk but I don't see it any time soon.

Big kits depend on market share, and how often they see the field I suppose.

Horus Heresy of course has an advantage over 40K, as both the main forces use the same kits. So, where say a Bandeblade only appeal to Guard players, and to a lesser extent Imperial players, a Glaive, Falcion, Mastodon etc is going to appeal an easy majority of people playing Horus Heresy, because all of that easy majority can field them. So the fair investment for GW is much more likely pay off.

The game itself has a pretty loyal and big spending backbone of players, whose money has allowed Horus Heresy to get to this stage in the first place. And the bigger their armies, being predominantly narrative driven, the bigger the games, and so the bigger the resulting spend. And I’m not joking when I say the chums that have been doing Heresy since it released have spent thousands on it, and are now spending more on plastic.

I dare say I’m far from alone at wanting Big Kits, and being perfectly happy to buy them, but being strongly adverse to working in resin (any resin. Don’t like the feel, the extra prep, the heft, the need for super or epoxy glue). Put them in plastic? And I’ll buy them. Possibly one of each for variety.