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Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?
It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.
That’s probably it isn’t a “third core game”. It’s getting a SG-style schedule, and with that comes some pauses and delays and quick sellouts.
That may have been how they originally intended it, but you'd think that with how well all of the HH stuff appears to be selling (and selling out), that they'd eventually get the hint that it's turning out to be more popular than they expected. And maybe at least try to get some more of the already previewed stuff out.
It could be they’ve slightly changed tack, and are ramping up production to better meet initial demand?
Maybe? But I don't see any evidence of that yet. I think it's more of a "production issues" thing. There's too much stuff that's been in the pipeline for too long. And not just for HH.
But HH is a core game to them, alongside AoS, 40k and Middle Earth. It's got its own section on the store along the top ribbon.
None of the others - Underworlds, Kill Team, Aeronautica, Titanicus, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Quest or even the newly revamped Warcry - get their own spot up the top.
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Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?
It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.
That’s probably it isn’t a “third core game”. It’s getting a SG-style schedule, and with that comes some pauses and delays and quick sellouts.
That may have been how they originally intended it, but you'd think that with how well all of the HH stuff appears to be selling (and selling out), that they'd eventually get the hint that it's turning out to be more popular than they expected. And maybe at least try to get some more of the already previewed stuff out.
It could be they’ve slightly changed tack, and are ramping up production to better meet initial demand?
Maybe? But I don't see any evidence of that yet. I think it's more of a "production issues" thing. There's too much stuff that's been in the pipeline for too long. And not just for HH.
Agreed. Don't know if they over-reached, if its shipping related or just general production or staffing, but something tossed a spanner in and everything is out of whack. HH is still playing catch up to its initial releases (tanks out of stock pretty much consistently), its early previews are still nowhere to be seen (anyone remember the Sicaran?), chaos marines have all sorts of issues and someone would have to do a lot of work to convince me that Warcry needed a two-week window.
Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?
It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.
It does feel like it; I was expecting some more core infantry to have at least been announced by now; assault/despoilers, breachers, and we still don't have an announced release for the last of the previewed heavy weapons. My take is these should have been at the forefront of a new launch. :S
Shooty Leviathan, Predator, Sicaran, two sets of Heavy Weapons. Pretty sure there’s another one or two things officially previewed I’ve forgotten?
I think that's all the plastic stuff previewed yea. Then there's the resin characters like Lucius and the resin Praetors.
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If you refer to nothing announced this sunday it was known last week already. Whenever there's 2 week preorder you know toys and books is best you can get.
It's same for 40k and aos. Hh isn't special snowflake.
Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?
It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.
It does feel like it; I was expecting some more core infantry to have at least been announced by now; assault/despoilers, breachers, and we still don't have an announced release for the last of the previewed heavy weapons. My take is these should have been at the forefront of a new launch. :S
Shooty Leviathan, Predator, Sicaran, two sets of Heavy Weapons. Pretty sure there’s another one or two things officially previewed I’ve forgotten?
I think that's all the plastic stuff previewed yea. Then there's the resin characters like Lucius and the resin Praetors.
Are we not missing another Special Weapons set? Grav guns and whatnot?
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— Vala Mal Doran
Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?
It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.
That’s probably it isn’t a “third core game”. It’s getting a SG-style schedule, and with that comes some pauses and delays and quick sellouts.
That may have been how they originally intended it, but you'd think that with how well all of the HH stuff appears to be selling (and selling out), that they'd eventually get the hint that it's turning out to be more popular than they expected. And maybe at least try to get some more of the already previewed stuff out.
It could be they’ve slightly changed tack, and are ramping up production to better meet initial demand?
Maybe? But I don't see any evidence of that yet. I think it's more of a "production issues" thing. There's too much stuff that's been in the pipeline for too long. And not just for HH.
Could be six of one, half dozen of the other.
Release schedule all compressed and wonky. HH stuff seemingly selling Like Hotcakes.
Capacity shifted to churn out new stock of released stuff. Previewed stuff being held back a bit so it can go to market with a much larger initial stock, to hopefully remain in stock until production returns more or less to normal (as in So Many A Week to maintain consistent on-shelf, without a warehouse full of it).
Certainly I can happily accept the Deimos Predator being delayed, as we can have squadrons of four, and they need the chassis for the Rhino too. Entirely speculative, but I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if the chassis intended for the Predator being used to get the Rhino back on the shelf.
Ultimately we’ll never know. But speculating can be fun in itself.
Not as fun as an Ironwing. But fun.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Dark Angels. Got my heart set on an Iron Wing, because Tanks are hella cool, but also want a decent core of infantry so I’m not completely restricted to Just Tanks All The Time Every Time.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Right. Choncclestiltskin the Leviathan is mostly built, with just the arms to go.
Looks like the fist assembly is going to be magnetisable to the armoured upper arm. Anyone know what size magnets would suit best?
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Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
drbored wrote: Instead, they're doubling down on Warcry because... Surely some ugly nurgle swamp people and not-chaos-dwarves was what people REALLY want to have two weeks in a row.
Seeing Warcry is vastly more popular than HH, yup, pretty much. Especially seeing it also introduces new, improved edition of the game. Try counting Warcry events vs HH ones then come back and tell us what people really want
"base your models according to their current boxed kit" - I hope this will finally settle repeating discussion on bases in HH/40K (especially these 1-2 usual cheaters per discussion actively basing new models on old, obsolete bases to gain advantage then smugly claiming there is no rule against it)...
Irbis wrote: Seeing Warcry is vastly more popular than HH, yup, pretty much. Especially seeing it also introduces new, improved edition of the game. Try counting Warcry events vs HH ones then come back and tell us what people really want
It's HH. HH is waaaaaaay more popular than Warcry.
Regardless it really doesn't matter, the release schedule is what it is and the popularity of a system doesn't control what GW releases. Warcry had the slot so Warcry gets the release. It's not rocket science.
drbored wrote: Instead, they're doubling down on Warcry because... Surely some ugly nurgle swamp people and not-chaos-dwarves was what people REALLY want to have two weeks in a row.
Seeing Warcry is vastly more popular than HH, yup, pretty much. Especially seeing it also introduces new, improved edition of the game. Try counting Warcry events vs HH ones then come back and tell us what people really want
My old Warhammer store sold about 40 HH starter boxes on preorder. The entire perimeter of the floor of the store was lined with boxes with names written on them for release day because he had too many to store them in the back. I don't think he's ever sold a Warcry box or even had a Warcry game played in that building. My current FLGS got 2-3 copies of every HH release and has sold out of everything the day it hit shelves. They have Warcry boxes from a year ago that sit around collecting dust.
drbored wrote: Instead, they're doubling down on Warcry because... Surely some ugly nurgle swamp people and not-chaos-dwarves was what people REALLY want to have two weeks in a row.
Seeing Warcry is vastly more popular than HH, yup, pretty much. Especially seeing it also introduces new, improved edition of the game. Try counting Warcry events vs HH ones then come back and tell us what people really want
What an absolutely wild statement to make with no evidence.
drbored wrote: Instead, they're doubling down on Warcry because... Surely some ugly nurgle swamp people and not-chaos-dwarves was what people REALLY want to have two weeks in a row.
Seeing Warcry is vastly more popular than HH, yup, pretty much. Especially seeing it also introduces new, improved edition of the game. Try counting Warcry events vs HH ones then come back and tell us what people really want
What an absolutely wild statement to make with no evidence.
Well the thing *I'm* into is always vastly more popular than the thing *you're* into
I prefer to buy from miniature manufacturers that *don't* support the overthrow of democracy.
drbored wrote: Instead, they're doubling down on Warcry because... Surely some ugly nurgle swamp people and not-chaos-dwarves was what people REALLY want to have two weeks in a row.
Seeing Warcry is vastly more popular than HH, yup, pretty much. Especially seeing it also introduces new, improved edition of the game. Try counting Warcry events vs HH ones then come back and tell us what people really want
What an absolutely wild statement to make with no evidence.
Irbis, what happened? You used to say stuff that could technically be true if you used massively contorted definitions or something similar. Now it's always just emphatically false statements. Is everything alright?
Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?
It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.
It does feel like it; I was expecting some more core infantry to have at least been announced by now; assault/despoilers, breachers, and we still don't have an announced release for the last of the previewed heavy weapons. My take is these should have been at the forefront of a new launch. :S
Shooty Leviathan, Predator, Sicaran, two sets of Heavy Weapons. Pretty sure there’s another one or two things officially previewed I’ve forgotten?
I think that's all the plastic stuff previewed yea. Then there's the resin characters like Lucius and the resin Praetors.
This is a big one, as you can mix and match with the big box contemptor to give full loadouts to both. Mine is still unbuilt for this exact reason, was hoping to see this by now. The melee leviathan really pipped everything at the post.
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Probably good sales strategy to put the Leviathan out first, due to many people having Contemptors already plus I imagine they'll sell more Leviathan + Contemptor later than they would Contemptor + Leviathan later.
JWBS wrote: Probably good sales strategy to put the Leviathan out first, due to many people having Contemptors already plus I imagine they'll sell more Leviathan + Contemptor later than they would Contemptor + Leviathan later.
As 40k player just wish the gun version was first. Don't know how hh rules are but apart from tiny flexibility you get having 1 of each no benefit from 2 melee weapons. 2 same is totally useless. Seeing it's more of style choice to begin with having 1 meaningfull weapon hurts.
To be fair, some people couldn’t care less about more space marines with slightly different armor shapes. Especially week after week of them.
Some people, but let's be frank, not the vast vast majority of their customer base.
And certainly not anyone interested in Horus Heresy - we're because of all the slightly different armor shapes!
People play HH for the story.
Without a doubt. And that story is legions of Marines fighting Marines fighting Marines. You have Ad Mech, Talons and militia/Imperial Army, but you also have 18+ flavors of Marines. If you don't like Marines, HH can be of limited appeal to you.
Gene St. Ealer wrote: Irbis, what happened? You used to say stuff that could technically be true if you used massively contorted definitions or something similar. Now it's always just emphatically false statements. Is everything alright?
Shhh! We don't want him to change. He's far too entertaining.
I mean, Warcry more popular than HH? This is more of his anti-FW bias, no doubt, which makes even less sense given the current state of HH. And that makes it even more hilarious.
Live him be. Threads need levity, even if it's unintentional.
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He must live in the only local meta on Earth where Warcry is more popular than HH. The only other option is that he's lying but we all know that couldn't be it...
To be fair, some people couldn’t care less about more space marines with slightly different armor shapes. Especially week after week of them.
Some people, but let's be frank, not the vast vast majority of their customer base.
And certainly not anyone interested in Horus Heresy - we're because of all the slightly different armor shapes!
People play HH for the story.
Like how people buy playboys for the articles.
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Toofast wrote: He must live in the only local meta on Earth where Warcry is more popular than HH. The only other option is that he's lying but we all know that couldn't be it...
My local area HH has gotten zero traction. Our local stores haven't even been able to sell the box set to 40k space marine players, which is crazy to me because it's a fantastic deal.
We have some people talking about how they WANT to do heresy, but no one willing to build an army, much less a community.
Warcry isn't exactly flying off the shelf either but MCP, Star Wars Legion, Bolt Action, and Flames of War are all far more popular locally. Even AoS, which is struggling right now, brings in more people than HH.
But that's all locals. It means literally nothing outside of a 20 minute radius of my house.
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To be fair, some people couldn’t care less about more space marines with slightly different armor shapes. Especially week after week of them.
Some people, but let's be frank, not the vast vast majority of their customer base.
And certainly not anyone interested in Horus Heresy - we're because of all the slightly different armor shapes!
People play HH for the story.
Like how people buy playboys for the articles.
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Toofast wrote: He must live in the only local meta on Earth where Warcry is more popular than HH. The only other option is that he's lying but we all know that couldn't be it...
My local area HH has gotten zero traction. Our local stores haven't even been able to sell the box set to 40k space marine players, which is crazy to me because it's a fantastic deal.
We have some people talking about how they WANT to do heresy, but no one willing to build an army, much less a community.
Warcry isn't exactly flying off the shelf either but MCP, Star Wars Legion, Bolt Action, and Flames of War are all far more popular locally. Even AoS, which is struggling right now, brings in more people than HH.
But that's all locals. It means literally nothing outside of a 20 minute radius of my house.
My crew is *trying* to get into it as we all have the starter box but nothing else is available. Everything we want/need is out of stock from both GW and FW and has been so since release.
