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Yeah, FW has gotten better, but I have a bunch of FW kits from over the last decade or so that vary from awful (Fellblade, Gorgon, original Leviathan) to amazing (Porphyrion Acastus, Palatine Blades, Saul Tarvitz, lots of BB Star Players). As time passes, their quality has definitely improved.

That Gorgon though…lots of heat and superglue…

Aecus Decimus wrote:
Why are we talking about FW quality as if GW plastic kits don't have mold lines everywhere, bent parts, mold slip, etc? I'd love it if FW quality control was better but let's not pretend that GW kits don't take a similar amount of time to clean up if you care about having a nice looking model.

Mould slip is different to mould lines. Mould lines are easy to clean up and when you finish the model is as it should be. Mould slip means you have either remove part of the model or resculpt part of the model so that you don't have a seam line.

I think I've experience mould slip once on a plastic kit from GW, some time around the early 00's, i.e. it's quite rare. Mould slip on FW models on the other hand is pretty common. Bent parts? Not really super common in my experience of GW plastic kits, I've had a few damaged GW kits but they're few and far between and were replaced reasonably quickly.

And just in general, you tend to know what you're getting with GW. FW, one model will come pristine and perfect, the next will come mould slipped, bubble ridden and warped beyond repair.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Must admit that yesterday I received the new Emperor's Children Praetor, head and shoulder pad upgrades from Forge World yesterday and they were the crispest casts I have ever gotten from Forge World.

I have the same experience, I bought all of the new EC stuff and the casts are fantastic.

According to Axotl we must "not be the type to check every mold line"...


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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Seems forge world fob off the lower quality overseas then...

Bloody foreigners, (not) coming over here, taking our j̶o̶b̶s̶ miscast FW!

The newer FW stuff is always better. The moulds are new.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The newer FW stuff is always better. The moulds are new.

Sure, of course.

But that doesn't explain how my experience differs so much from others, most of the FW stuff that I have purchased over the years wasn't from fresh molds. It's not like it's that small of a sample size either.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Must admit that yesterday I received the new Emperor's Children Praetor, head and shoulder pad upgrades from Forge World yesterday and they were the crispest casts I have ever gotten from Forge World.

Obviously the provisos here are that they are brand new and expensive so the should be exceptional quality, I am also UK based. But was very happy with them. The older EC Contemptor was nowhere near as good but was bubble and mould slip free.

Same. Lucius is amazing too, bar one strange design decision to have the modeller attach one of his sword sheaths with the smallest joint surface area possible, impossible to pin, which is then impinged on by the cloak once the backpack goes on. Other than that he looks great.

Actually reading the thread fully - I do really believe they have crappier quality control for the stuff sold outside of the UK. I'd really love to compare casts of the same models. But this might be what's different. I just had to have all 3 sons of Horus models (both praetors, malogurst) and 2 ofthe brand new aeronautica custodes ships have to be replaced. What they sent back was pretty good though - looked to be from different mold masters honestly. And I think they were dispatched from overseas?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The newer FW stuff is always better. The moulds are new.

As long as you don't get 3D printing lines

Do FW still print on their kits "We have cast this kit using the most advanced techniques and the best quality resin"?

Yeah but you're supposed to read it in a sarcastic tone

The only FW stuff I've bought in the couple of years has been Necromunda, and the quality has been pretty damn good compared to pretty much any of my Heresy mk3 I got when it first came out. Large vehicle kits have always had issues when I've bought them, slips here and there, but no such issues on recent infantry sized kits.

When AoD dropped I picked up Curze, Sevatar, two sets of Contenkar, and two sets of Night Raptors and all the sculpts have been clean and crisp with no bubbles or mold lines. Then again they might have redone those molds in prep for the new edition.

I don't doubt people have had issues in the past with FW though, I know I have, but it seems like when they keep the molds new things hold up fine.

Speaking of miscasts about fifteen years ago or so I once got a pewter model that had a little blob for one of the guy's hands. Guess and air bubble got stuck in the mold or they didn't pour enough pewter.

For reference the new EC Praetor with one of the new EC heads:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
For reference the new EC Praetor with one of the new EC heads:

Spoiler:

Details look sharp, but a bit disappointing that you can see the 3D printing lines. I've been hesitant to buy another FW model since some Aeronautica Imperialis stuff I bought came with 3D printing lines, after a coat of primer it was less noticeable but still visible. I have models that I've 3D printed myself that have worse lines, but at FW prices I really expect that those sorts of flaws would be cleaned up prior to making the mould.

Not seeing any printing lines myself, but have seen plenty of AT and AI stuff with them.

On reflection I can, but gone with a spray undercoat. Everyone's mileage will vary, but I was very happy with these.

Fair enough, it's hard to tell from pictures how good or bad it is in reality, and different folk have different things that annoy them.

The AT/AI maybe looks worse because they're small models that people look at more closely, or maybe FW did genuinely botch them, lol. My AI stuff, I could probably do a couple of extra layers of primer and it'd hide the layer lines, I've done that on some of the stuff I printed myself, but I don't feel like I should have to on such an expensive model.

The huge Cape hung off one shoulder bugs me a little bit. I don't like how it seems to unbalance the model. I might see if I can adjust it when I build mine.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The huge Cape hung off one shoulder bugs me a little bit. I don't like how it seems to unbalance the model. I might see if I can adjust it when I build mine.

That’s the thing about resin; it’s bends really easily when you heat it up to around 60-80°C (recently boiled water, basically) so you probably can.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The huge Cape hung off one shoulder bugs me a little bit. I don't like how it seems to unbalance the model. I might see if I can adjust it when I build mine.

That’s the thing about resin; it’s bends really easily when you heat it up to around 60-80°C (recently boiled water, basically) so you probably can.

It can, however, gradually return to the shape it had when it was released from the mould. That can be a problem when things were released from the mould too early or too aggressively before they were fully cured, you unbend it with hot water and then over some period of time it gradually bends back to where it was.

If you immerse the component in cold water after you have re-shaped it in hot water it should retain its new shape.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The huge Cape hung off one shoulder bugs me a little bit. I don't like how it seems to unbalance the model. I might see if I can adjust it when I build mine.

That’s the thing about resin; it’s bends really easily when you heat it up to around 60-80°C (recently boiled water, basically) so you probably can.

I'll most likely see about relocating it rather than reshaping it. Making it into a regular cape or something.

Mechanicum Legacy PDF and FAQs for all available books have been released.
Satrael, Adsecularis with Chainswords, Macaroid Explorator, Land Raider Phobos, Tarantulas, Termites, Reduction Artillery squadron and the Reductor Minotaur battery are all in there.

Some updates to the Legacy Astartes Units as well, no exemplar update though.

For example, Indomitus Terminators lose Support Squad and gain Line in Pride of the Legion.

 Gert wrote:
Mechanicum Legacy PDF and FAQs for all available books have been released.
Satrael, Adsecularis with Chainswords, Macaroid Explorator, Land Raider Phobos, Tarantulas, Termites, Reduction Artillery squadron and the Reductor Minotaur battery are all in there.

The Ordinatus Sagittar is not. Of course - as it's the only one I have.

Pretty "minimalist" FAQs. Still no explanation for how an Ordnance weapon with Armourbane is supposed to work. And no fix for the timing issues for Blind, Cuncussive, or Shock Pulse. And no changes for any of the Exemplary Battles units. Seriously gw: FIX WHAT YOU DID TO THE ATREMENTAR!!

There's my Macaroid Explorator...

Wow, having to take 3 of the same unit for Coils of the Serpent is a bad call. I guess it makes sense fluffwise, but there's already so many caveats with Coils.

Yay! Both of my Macrocarids have rules again. Time to re-read the transport rules.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Some updates to the Legacy Astartes Units as well, no exemplar update though.

For example, Indomitus Terminators lose Support Squad and gain Line in Pride of the Legion.

Yeah the Palatine Blades got their jump packs back, finally
It's actually pretty nice they corrected some of their mistake, it was just so dumb not to be able to transition from HH 1.0 to 2.0 properly

Corvus Corax lost his shrouded.

 Gargantuan wrote:
Corvus Corax lost his shrouded.

I don't see any errata of corax there