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Yeah, but at least Poochie rode a skateboard, so he's got that going for him, at least.

I happen to like the og necron lore.

Racerguy180 wrote:
I happen to like the og necron lore.

My fav bit of Necron lore is from before The Wardening. It was for the Medusa V campaign.

There was a blurb at the end for the various factions involved, and the Necron story had the Deceiver (IIRC) appearing before the Necron lord, saying "FAILURE!", and then teleporting away with the Necron forces, leaving the Lord unable to move but completely aware of everything, so he could contemplate his failure as Van Grothe's Rapidity engulfed the world. That was when the C'Tan weren't enslaved shards of god-like beings...

Only real OGs know that the Necrons awoke because the Diggas on Angelus pledged all humans everywhere to their service while exploring deep inside the pyramids they lived within.

The Tyranid thing is just Games Workshop trying to pull an MCU on us the "Pre end end credits thing"

Necrons in the last book

"And green eyes countless souless full of malice and envy of the living awoke"

Any price predictions on Horus Ascended?

I think he will break the £100 barrier, possibly up to £120. Hoping for cheaper, but that base alone looks like more resin than the entire Lorgar miniature.

Yeah, tying the Heresy into every little thing is getting old. What happened to leaving plot hooks open for future use? No-one would have cared about the crons or ctan if they hadn’t been speculated about for years based on a couple throwaway lines in the Eldar codex.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Any price predictions on Horus Ascended?

I think he will break the £100 barrier, possibly up to £120. Hoping for cheaper, but that base alone looks like more resin than the entire Lorgar miniature.

£120 is my guess. The most expensive three Primarchs currently are £98 (absolute madness frankly), so yeah he’ll almost certainly be over £100.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Any price predictions on Horus Ascended?

I think he will break the £100 barrier, possibly up to £120. Hoping for cheaper, but that base alone looks like more resin than the entire Lorgar miniature.

Looks like most of the other character bases to me? If anything I find this base slightly underwhelming, especially compared to the other Horus model.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Any price predictions on Horus Ascended?

I think he will break the £100 barrier, possibly up to £120. Hoping for cheaper, but that base alone looks like more resin than the entire Lorgar miniature.

Looks like most of the other character bases to me? If anything I find this base slightly underwhelming, especially compared to the other Horus model.

That might just be part of the plan. What are the odds that there won't be a Vengeful Spirit diorama base when the Emperor is released so you can have each on his individual action base or both on the themed duel base? This base just strikes me as someone taking the opportunity to do something different because, if you will, it's not his real base and doesn't have to look as monumental.

 Geifer wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Any price predictions on Horus Ascended?

I think he will break the £100 barrier, possibly up to £120. Hoping for cheaper, but that base alone looks like more resin than the entire Lorgar miniature.

Looks like most of the other character bases to me? If anything I find this base slightly underwhelming, especially compared to the other Horus model.

That might just be part of the plan. What are the odds that there won't be a Vengeful Spirit diorama base when the Emperor is released so you can have each on his individual action base or both on the themed duel base? This base just strikes me as someone taking the opportunity to do something different because, if you will, it's not his real base and doesn't have to look as monumental.

Etsy has a really cool Diorama for half the price of anything GW might cook up... But Im skeptical that the Big E will ever come out but logically GW has surprised me a lot.. My own opinion that Ascended model is awesome its actually stunning but I will pass unless you are a Sons of Horus player its not going to be worth it.

Horus will strike thebig E and a chuck of his face will fly off revealing the big E to be a T-800 Necron. Totally original story.

I do like it, but not sure like it enough to get... Through happenstance I am now collecting the primarchs models, and I hardly have enough display space for those and I'm only a little over halfway through, never mind my other regular models, lotr stuff etc. I'll have to see how he looks when released most likely.

When it comes to collecting the Primarch miniatures how long has Sanguinius been listed as "no longer available " on the Forge World UK website? Seems a bit odd unless they have had production issues or knackered the mould.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
When it comes to collecting the Primarch miniatures how long has Sanguinius been listed as "no longer available " on the Forge World UK website? Seems a bit odd unless they have had production issues or knackered the mould.

May have to do with the optional base?

 BalerionTheBlackDread wrote:

Necrons in the last book

"And green eyes countless souless full of malice and envy of the living awoke"

Please tell me this is sarcasm, and not lifted from an actual Horus Heresy/Seige of Terra book... because it has become too hard too distinguished between reality and comedy now.

It's sarcasm. And I think you're overreacting with that last bit.
HH has some guff (Perpetuals) but it provides origins for a lot of 40k that are perfectly fine. People tend to look at condensed versions of HH books and take the worst view of them. The biggest offender is "Horus got stabbed and turned bad" when that isn't what happened.

Would it really be a surprise if the HH linked to the Necrons awakening? Trying to get to the Shard of the Void Dragon on Mars was literally a plot point in Mechanicum.

Necron awakening is their alarm clock finally going off.

It’s confirmed some Tomb Worlds were activating during and even before the Heresy Era, but not on a scale that would make the true peril at all apparent.

As for the timing of said alarm clock? It’s possible that Chronomancer Crypteks scried the future to choose the best era. Certainly to my mind such an informed guess as opposed to a complete guess is more likely, particularly as we know at least Orikhan has some decent capacity in that regard, and would’ve been compelled to give accurate info prior to the Command Protocols being wilfully destroyed by The Silent King upon his voyage of penance.

It may not seem ideal, as you’re going up against a Galactic Power and the organisation of resistance that would threaten. But with the Eldar finally a shadow of their former selves, and absolutely everyone else kicking the poo out of everyone else, a mass awakening in the modern era seems like about as opportune a time as any, especially if the coming of the Tyranids was at all factored in, as you don’t want them scoffing everything, leaving you to awaken to a barren, lifeless Galaxy and having to wait billions more years for something you might be able to staple your consciousness to to evolve afresh.

 Platuan4th wrote:
Would it really be a surprise if the HH linked to the Necrons awakening? Trying to get to the Shard of the Void Dragon on Mars was literally a plot point in Mechanicum.

Yes because it would contradict both the original Angelus/Gorkamorka fluff and the current Necron codex.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Would it really be a surprise if the HH linked to the Necrons awakening? Trying to get to the Shard of the Void Dragon on Mars was literally a plot point in Mechanicum.

Yes because it would contradict both the original Angelus/Gorkamorka fluff and the current Necron codex.

Which they've already done with the Tyranid codex and the Pharos.

The Infinite and the Divine has Necrons awake long before the Horus Heresy.

Wasn’t the Necrons first sighting them slaughtering a Sisters of Battle coven/chapter? That’s back when they had a lord and four units available all in metal 😁👍

That was the first battle report, for sure, and probably one of the first incidents that caught the Imperium's attention (Sanctuary 101?), but who knows how many times people had just vanished without anyone knowing it was the Terminator?

John D Law wrote:
Wasn’t the Necrons first sighting them slaughtering a Sisters of Battle coven/chapter? That’s back when they had a lord and four units available all in metal 😁👍

Back when Necrons were interesting. Not much info - other than they were turning up and slaughtering living things.
The more talky chatty they get, the less interested I became.

Oh, and my old army from when digital cameras took small images. :-)



Honestly, if they retcon them back to awakening during HH, I no longer care.
Mind you, I like my HH to be the civil war, not 40k.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Wasn’t the Necrons first sighting them slaughtering a Sisters of Battle coven/chapter? That’s back when they had a lord and four units available all in metal 😁👍

Back when Necrons were interesting. Not much info - other than they were turning up and slaughtering living things.
The more talky chatty they get, the less interested I became.

Oh, and my old army from when digital cameras took small images. :-)



Honestly, if they retcon them back to awakening during HH, I no longer care.
Mind you, I like my HH to be the civil war, not 40k.

If i were not lazy and had photoshop skills i'd make some pics of primarchs with ridiculous civil war facial hair, but i am and i have not, so just enjoy the mental image

John D Law wrote:
Wasn’t the Necrons first sighting them slaughtering a Sisters of Battle coven/chapter? That’s back when they had a lord and four units available all in metal 😁👍

The first time evidence was found, yes. But like the Tyranids and Tyran, not actually the first engagement


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It’s also worth keeping in mind that engaging the Necrons isn’t necessarily engaging The Necrons.

If you’re poking about a Tomb World, you may only ever encounter Canoptek stuff, especially if you’re driven off. And so the existence of untold Warriors and that could easily remain a secret until much later.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Wasn’t the Necrons first sighting them slaughtering a Sisters of Battle coven/chapter? That’s back when they had a lord and four units available all in metal 😁👍

The first time evidence was found, yes. But like the Tyranids and Tyran, not actually the first engagement


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It’s also worth keeping in mind that engaging the Necrons isn’t necessarily engaging The Necrons.

If you’re poking about a Tomb World, you may only ever encounter Canoptek stuff, especially if you’re driven off. And so the existence of untold Warriors and that could easily remain a secret until much later.

Also worth to remember that we as players and readers are much more clued in to the setting etc. than the average character - they do not know a lot about various xenos factions at all, and on top of that there are a lot of minor xenos species or even local fauna and/or technology running around that could have made an expedition dissapear without trace. For every explorator that gets gauss-flayed to atoms, probably ten others are eating by a local bear equivalent, abducted by random space pirates or blown up by archeotech mines that lay dormant since Old Night.

There is also a significant difference between a Tomb World or strike force awakening and what is known as The Great Awakening.
Overlords and the like are allowed to wake small portions of Necrons to defend their worlds or in the case of Trazyn, get loot. But every awakening risks drawing the ire of the Triarch Praetorians who exist to make sure the Dynasties don't start killing each other in their sleep prior to the awakening in M41. There are times where the mechanisms of a Tomb World fail and a legion of Necrons just wake up but its rare overall. That Necrons will annihilate their opponent and then go back to sleep or just dissappear after being destroyed also means that there often won't be any evidence of their existence in many cases.

This really isn’t news or rumours…

John D Law wrote:
Wasn’t the Necrons first sighting them slaughtering a Sisters of Battle coven/chapter? That’s back when they had a lord and four units available all in metal 😁👍

First official recorded sighting. There were some rather "thin" Silver Skulls on Serenade though during an Ork invasion.


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 Snord wrote:
This really isn’t news or rumours…

True, but at least we put to bed the claims that the Horus Heresy was going to tie into the Necrons somehow when we have Necrons awake before then, and we see the Great Awakening tied more to the end of M40 than anything else.