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tneva82 wrote:
Hammerblade is going to be the option of choise against almost everything. Especially spineplash when is that worth it? Rakes at least might be used once in a while if you get surrounded by 5+ save guys

I don't play 30k but I'm curious if someone wants to do the math on the three options.

The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seemingly soon, as the first model has been previewed.

We don’t tend to get that level of preview much more than 3 months beforehand.

What Model? There's Ka'banda but he's almost a year and some change old now. The new Assassin mini is just that, an assassin, not a member of either list, unless they're being plugged into the traitor-only part of Miltia.

No present rules for the Assassin. So we can assume forthcoming book is forthcoming. And I can see that book including Cults.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
No present rules for the Assassin. So we can assume forthcoming book is forthcoming. And I can see that book including Cults.

Yeah, those rules + artwork look like they came from a book, not a PDF. Agents of the Warmaster, maybe?

 JNAProductions wrote:
The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

Alright, so assuming let's say 5 attacks (I don't see GW giving more than that as I don't think the other Assassins have more in the 30k system), how does it look?

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

Alright, so assuming let's say 5 attacks (I don't see GW giving more than that as I don't think the other Assassins have more in the 30k system), how does it look?

What is the WS?
What are you targeting?
How durable is the assassin, since that matters when deciding whether or not you need Reach.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

Alright, so assuming let's say 5 attacks (I don't see GW giving more than that as I don't think the other Assassins have more in the 30k system), how does it look?

Probably more like 3-4, as that's what the Loyalist Scum Assasins have. It could give him an edge against Mechanicum and SA, as it's AP4, and 4+ saves abound in both. Not great against Marines, Custodes, or the Elites/HQs of Mechanicum, or the HQs of SA. Unless there's further rules that can make it more useful.

 JNAProductions wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

Alright, so assuming let's say 5 attacks (I don't see GW giving more than that as I don't think the other Assassins have more in the 30k system), how does it look?

What is the WS?
What are you targeting?
How durable is the assassin, since that matters when deciding whether or not you need Reach.

I’d say this Assassin’s greatest trick is his ubiquity. From what we’ve seen ranged options seem limited (grenades of some kind, possibly gun fist from the pose) to non-existent (could just be pretty details or so short ranged you’re better off just getting in and wrecking face). But unlike the Callidus and Eversor? He can be a decent threat to pretty much anything. Sure other stuff might have more attacks or hit harder, but this guy can middle ground quite competently.

 JNAProductions wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
The big thing is Reach.

Striking first matters, but only if you can do damage.

Alright, so assuming let's say 5 attacks (I don't see GW giving more than that as I don't think the other Assassins have more in the 30k system), how does it look?

What is the WS?
What are you targeting?
How durable is the assassin, since that matters when deciding whether or not you need Reach.

Oh yeah, WS chart is a thing there LOL

Never mind, I'm asking too many questions now LOL

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/23/heresy-thursday-the-sicaran-venator-is-a-high-speed-tank-hunter-with-a-massive-laser/

Tank Heresy continues:
Neutron laser Sicaran

little surprised it wasn't just a continuation of the parade of chapter dreadnought bits, so something of a positive.


Getting curious when this, the Typhon and the Cerebrus might actually release- the typhon preview was back in mid-December.

Might add one of those to my Legion. I really need to fill out the rest of my motor pool.

Hurray for plastic!

I bought loads of HH stuff on launch but almost nothing since, due solely to this glut of tank releases.

Didn't notice it was gone from FW but would have thought we get the Vindicator before this one or even just the other Sicaran variants

Sciaran?
Sicarn?

Nice work by the WHC editors, there...

Bit of a surprise, but a nice one. Now if I could just find the turrets from when I was building the Sicarans I have, I could finish them in time for this new addition.

I would be so down for a Horus Heresy themed World of Tanks clone, or maybe something akin to a squad shooter / lane tactics game mostly based on tanks. You could have stuff like awesome squadron fights against Titans, bunker assault, releasing Terminators or air strikes as skills...

Nobody expected (another) HH tank

...
Please, just give us the infantry.

Not Online!!! wrote:
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Please, just give us the infantry.

And the Cults and Militia and Daemons rules, please?

I'm still waiting for the last two announced tanks, could they bring these out first?

Another Sicaran variant. Libers list 5 Sicaran variants, will we still get 3 more kits of these?

My Sky Hunter box should arrive tomorrow, will finally get to test the new MKVI rider torso. Hope it can work with most of the bike/jetbike kits in the 40K range.. or as a MKVI pilot for most of the plastic canopy flyers out there..

 tauist wrote:
Another Sicaran variant. Libers list 5 Sicaran variants, will we still get 3 more kits of these?

My Sky Hunter box should arrive tomorrow, will finally get to test the new MKVI rider torso. Hope it can work with most of the bike/jetbike kits in the 40K range..

3 variants are just different turrets, that should not be too complicated.

Ha, as suspected.

Another Laser machine for my Alphas please. Squadrons of 2? Ohh, thank you very much...

I like it, if it had to be another tank this is the one I wanted.

Now maybe some breachers next time?

Is there any substance to the expectation of more plastic infantry kits? Or is it just on the wishlist?

Dread Master wrote:
Is there any substance to the expectation of more plastic infantry kits? Or is it just on the wishlist?

Roughly half of the legions incentivize melee infantry via legion tactics, and there are also numerous PA armored melee-oriented legion special units. Of the "core" troops choices, half of the non-Support Squad options are fully melee oriented. Not to mention that many highly popular Legions units, such as Veterans & Retinues, are specifically setup so they can be kitted out to be melee focused.

Despite this, there are basically no MKVI melee arms, chain swords, or bolt pistols. Meaning that fully half of the Legions cannot even begin to field appropriate, thematic lists.

If the new MKVI Tactical Squad box had included a sprue packed with 10-20 chain sword arms, and equal amounts of bolt-pistol arms, then it'd probably be wish listing. But as it stands now it's a no-brainer which will sell extremely well, and which a large portion of the game cannot be played without. Melee infantry are far more core to the Legions lists than 5 vehicles each with 5 slightly different niche versions. Even GW isn't dumb enough to not make them.

The only reasonable explanation for why they still haven't been shown / released is because they're being saved for a large scale release wave, probably in the form of another multi-unit box ala Age of Darkness.

 morganfreeman wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Is there any substance to the expectation of more plastic infantry kits? Or is it just on the wishlist?

Roughly half of the legions incentivize melee infantry via legion tactics, and there are also numerous PA armored melee-oriented legion special units. Of the "core" troops choices, half of the non-Support Squad options are fully melee oriented. Not to mention that many highly popular Legions units, such as Veterans & Retinues, are specifically setup so they can be kitted out to be melee focused.

Despite this, there are basically no MKVI melee arms, chain swords, or bolt pistols. Meaning that fully half of the Legions cannot even begin to field appropriate, thematic lists.

If the new MKVI Tactical Squad box had included a sprue packed with 10-20 chain sword arms, and equal amounts of bolt-pistol arms, then it'd probably be wish listing. But as it stands now it's a no-brainer which will sell extremely well, and which a large portion of the game cannot be played without. Melee infantry are far more core to the Legions lists than 5 vehicles each with 5 slightly different niche versions. Even GW isn't dumb enough to not make them.

The only reasonable explanation for why they still haven't been shown / released is because they're being saved for a large scale release wave, probably in the form of another multi-unit box ala Age of Darkness.

tl;dr: yes, it's just on the wishlist. GW at no point have made any promises of WHAT plastic kits that they're going to update When, and assault marines, despoilers, and breachers are... still MIA from any sort of official communication.

But also?

Why wouldn’t they?

Much as I love me tanks and Dreads, I hope plastic assault troops arrive sooner rather than later.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But also?

Why wouldn’t they?

Much as I love me tanks and Dreads, I hope plastic assault troops arrive sooner rather than later.

It boggles the mind, tbh.

There are a few thin threads of logic I could come up with...

A. they're prioritizing tanks because they are the most expensive kits from FW and moving them to plastic nearly halves the price (Sicaran goes from 144 USD to 80 USD in the move to plastic) which reduces the cost of getting into the game dramatically.

B. tanks were the one thing they likely assumed that people didn't have a lot of, and troops they likely assumed people had plenty. After all, Mk 3 and Mk 4 marines have been on sale for a long time, as well as plastic contemptors and terminators, but very little else in plastic. Better to move big chunks of resin to plastic first.

C. the third-party market for bits and bobs for marines is HUGE, especially when it comes to 30k. Getting shields, chainswords, and other things is relatively simple, and they often fit the Mk 3, 4, and 6 marines that are already in plastic really well. GW could have been concerned that putting out the other troops might not have garnered as much profit potential as the tanks

D. the other base marines, from assault to recon, are being saved for future box set releases that may coincide with further books and such. There were rumors a long while back that hinted at there being books for each chapter that would flesh them out, and rumors about box sets that would have other marine variants

That's all I can think of.

We're screaming at GW for the troops, I've seen it in their livestreams, on twitter, on reddit, here, and plenty other places. They know, and yet they sit apparently content missing out on money they could be making. As we speak, some friends are looking to other solutions to make quick and easy despoilers and breachers, instead of buying from GW :/