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Went through this annoyance with AT, but at least in this case GW has acknowledged that more plastic troops are on the way.

I'm wondering if the next focus for 30K will be a Zone Mortalis supplement released alongside new infantry. Possibly a new starter set that's aimed at 1250 points. Zone Mortalis was a one-off in White Dwarf last year, while they've been holding back on new plastic troop kits and especially the much requested assault marines.

 The Phazer wrote:
I remain convinced that rumours we're not getting any significant infantry before late summer remain correct, but this is something to make the complaints go away a bit in the meantime - it is a very easy product to quickly spin up compared to plastic tooling in a get you by fashion.

Better than nothing, but I have enough painting backlog that I'll just wait for plastics.

I completely agree, and suspect we’ll be seeing another large AoD style bo(though maybe not as big) drop this summer.

My concern is that it won’t really matter though. The 3rd party market has noticed the distinct gap in supply for this extremely basic aspect and stepped up to plug the hole. I’ve already gotten my needs met through them, and have even splurged on indulging other armor marks to the point that I’ll have no need of such a box. I imagine that by the time it hits, most other customers will have already gotten what they need elsewhere or seen their scene petter off and fade from a complete lack of basic necessities.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks! Watch this space for more information and sign up for the newsletter to stay up-to-date with the latest news from the Horus Heresy.

I mean, they say that, but we literally have no evidence to the contrary. Certainly a set of 5 resin arms for a unit that needs at least 10 is an easy pass. What a fumble.

 Snord wrote:
This is very…underwhelming. It suggests to me that when the plastic assault infantry do arrive, they won’t be Mk VI. But I certainly won’t be buying resin close combat weapons in the meantime.

I'm fine with a different mark of armor. Honestly what I want most is different poses for bodies. Attaching these the to the limited set of existing poses (which are setup for carrying or shooting guns) is probably the worst part of this whole stumble.

Though cross-compatibilty between all the plastic weapon sets and bolter arms they've already produced and the assault weapons they will theoretically produce would be nice.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks! Watch this space for more information and sign up for the newsletter to stay up-to-date with the latest news from the Horus Heresy.

I mean, they say that, but we literally have no evidence to the contrary. Certainly a set of 5 resin arms for a unit that needs at least 10 is an easy pass. What a fumble.

An out of character Lead Balloon of a release/tease for certain.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Noooooooooooooooooooooo

The Eviscerator looks nice, and I'm a fan of these Sky Hunter style chainswords, but these are all identical arm poses and only offer a right hand=sword, left hand=pistol config. Might still buy a single pack, but will probably just grab the Eviscerator separately from a bitz seller.

At least the article confirms more plastic infantry is forthcoming. I'm thinking the plastic kit will come with Jump Packs, which will come with separate torsos, these resin arms exist just so you can also build CC models without jump packs.

Oh wait, I forgot that resin pieces can actually be reposed to a degree by heating them and bending them while heated! Maybe I'll buy a single kit after all.. although this doesn't mean that making most of these arms identical wouldn't make the product look "low effort" / lazy..

Don't forget these are 5 sets of arms, for a squad that has 10 models.

So whatever they cost, double it.

Nah, I only need 5 ATM. I'm still playing 40K & KT21 until GW makes it feasible to field enough CC troops for my IXth.

Had to go over to /r 30k to read the redditor's reactions - didn't disappoint! (spoiler: Reddit is FURIOUS hehehe)

I still remain convinced that we got resin upgrades just for making CC marines without jump packs. The plastic kit with jump pack torsos will be released later this year, but not before 10th edition 40K drops. Can't have potential players eloping from 40K to play HH2 now can we Conspiracy Cat whispered me that GW is shocked at the success of HH2 and wants to deliberately stall releases until 10th edition lands..

Forget reddit, I'm furious. I'll go join them.

I do not play 30k at present, I'd like world eaters, I aren't doing that with resin arms.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Resin? Better stay with tanks GW.

Correct.

Like I say, if this is a "get you buy" release until the long planned Mk VI assault troops get released until August I don't think that's too bad, but I do think GW should be more straight with players that that's what the situation is, rather than some cutsie statement that more troops are coming.

How many would buy these then?

tneva82 wrote:
How many would buy these then?

Depends.

Right now? I’m in absolutely no rush whatsoever.

But if in future it’s looking “that’s yer lot”? Like. Maybe?

I think the bigger issue is I can cobble some chainswords and bolt pistols out of my bits horde, if they'd just done some melee special weapons or sergeants weapons to provide more heavy chainswords or power weapons that would be of more use at least.

No charnabal outrage yet? Apparently HH players here don't actually read the fluff, go figure

 stahly wrote:
Resin. And the arms are generic, meant to fit various armour marks...

They are really not, though? They look nothing like Mk II/III, are not simple like V/VII, lack the IV wrist protection - funnily enough look the most like VIII/X but can pass as VI in a pinch, too.

 tauist wrote:
these are all identical arm poses

Eh, exposed wrist makes them trivial to cut/repose, especially in comparison of all these new gakky arms with wrist protector clipping into hand. Wish more generic weapons followed this, or at least had hand separate from the wrist bit...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
How many would buy these then?

Depends.

Right now? I’m in absolutely no rush whatsoever.

But if in future it’s looking “that’s yer lot”? Like. Maybe?

If gw says plastic version coming do you really expect sales not suffer?

At most they say they won't be coming.

 The Phazer wrote:
Like I say, if this is a "get you buy" release until the long planned Mk VI assault troops get released until August I don't think that's too bad, but I do think GW should be more straight with players that that's what the situation is, rather than some cutsie statement that more troops are coming.

A roadmap would be nice.
Not even fixed dates but fixed chain of what will come after another.

Also i'd like my militia and cults pdf and my daemonstorm pdf gw.

 Irbis wrote:
No charnabal outrage yet? Apparently HH players here don't actually read the fluff, go figure

 stahly wrote:
Resin. And the arms are generic, meant to fit various armour marks...

They are really not, though? They look nothing like Mk II/III, are not simple like V/VII, lack the IV wrist protection - funnily enough look the most like VIII/X but can pass as VI in a pinch, too.

 tauist wrote:
these are all identical arm poses

Eh, exposed wrist makes them trivial to cut/repose, especially in comparison of all these new gakky arms with wrist protector clipping into hand. Wish more generic weapons followed this, or at least had hand separate from the wrist bit...

Exposed wrist is good too. Combined with the malleability of resin, I can imagine there being some mileage for conversions indeed.

I wonder if the plastic Infantry kit will be Solar Auxillia?

Would help open the game a bit more.

 stonehorse wrote:
I wonder if the plastic Infantry kit will be Solar Auxillia?

Would help open the game a bit more.

That or Thallax Cohorts in plastic...

 Sacredroach wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
I wonder if the plastic Infantry kit will be Solar Auxillia?

Would help open the game a bit more.

That or Thallax Cohorts in plastic...

Thallax, Tech-Thralls, Solar Auxilia, a generic "Imperial Army" kit...

There are quite a few options.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sacredroach wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
I wonder if the plastic Infantry kit will be Solar Auxillia?

Would help open the game a bit more.

That or Thallax Cohorts in plastic...

Thallax, Tech-Thralls, Solar Auxilia, a generic "Imperial Army" kit...

There are quite a few options.

Barring any concrete evidence that indicates otherwise, i guess 'marines first' is a reasonable assumption.

That being said, we had that one rumour engine pic that could be a Thallax leg.

So as these arms don't really fit with any armour mark below VI, what if GW makes the ultimate troll move and makes the plastic Despoiler squad MkVII (in a reimagined Heresy era design). Maybe these arms are a sign to come?

I think I'll just stick to my plan to buy some CSM, Scrape off the Chos symbols and use them for my son's of horus despoilers

Pretty underwhelming, but hey, it's a thing. It also might be a way for them to finally remove the old mk 3, 4, and 5 resin Despoilers that are still on FW, reducing FW's inventory load from supporting 3 kinds of resin despoilers to just one upgrade kit while GW handles the plastic 'bases' for those things.

Also, watch, they'll come out with plastic assault marines and it'll be cheaper to get a box of them AND a box of regular tactical marines (for the backpacks) than it will be to get 4 boxes of these upgrade packs to make your Despoilers.

Man what a disaster.

drbored wrote:
Pretty underwhelming, but hey, it's a thing. It also might be a way for them to finally remove the old mk 3, 4, and 5 resin Despoilers that are still on FW, reducing FW's inventory load from supporting 3 kinds of resin despoilers to just one upgrade kit while GW handles the plastic 'bases' for those things.

Also, watch, they'll come out with plastic assault marines and it'll be cheaper to get a box of them AND a box of regular tactical marines (for the backpacks) than it will be to get 4 boxes of these upgrade packs to make your Despoilers.

There's no way to know what the eventual Assault Squad kit will be like. Poses might end up being so dynamic that arms might be partially connected to the torsos etc, or the kit might end up being in another armour mark entirely.

This set is obviously a stopgap, but it might also end up being the only official way of getting in-scale chainswords and umbra pattern bolt pistols that fit the 2022 MKVI tactical kit (outside of Sky Hunter kit extra bits, that is). Thirstiest MKVI fanboys like myself might have to end up relying on this set + Sky Hunter extras, getting one of each gives 6 unsheathed chainswords, 3 sheathed chainswords, 1 Eviscerator, 1 power weapon, 3 volkite serpentas, 1 hand flamer and 5 umbra bolt pistols. Throw in the Sergeant upgrades from the tac kit and you *barely* have 12-13 CC weapons and 10 various pistols. Can those bits make for a legal 10 model squad?

EDIT: Just checked my Liber, one of these sets + Sky Hunters bits is just enough to make a valid Despoiler squad from a 2022 MKVI tactical squad kit.. but you'll have to use the sheathed chainswords as well. Which then means that those spare arms from the Hvy Wpn upgrades wont go to waste.. Stingy.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sacredroach wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
I wonder if the plastic Infantry kit will be Solar Auxillia?

Would help open the game a bit more.

That or Thallax Cohorts in plastic...

Thallax, Tech-Thralls, Solar Auxilia, a generic "Imperial Army" kit...

There are quite a few options.

Barring any concrete evidence that indicates otherwise, i guess 'marines first' is a reasonable assumption.

That being said, we had that one rumour engine pic that could be a Thallax leg.

I had a look for said leg pic but could not find; can you assist?
If it is a thallax leg i'll recognise it.

Did some math, and I see GW's logic now.

Let's assume these upgrades will be the same price as the heads or shoulder pads from FW, 23 USD. Getting 4 packs of those plus a 20 man tactical box means you have...
80+92 = 172 dollars.

The current price for Mark 3 and 4 despoilers is 68 dollars for 5 models.
68 x 4 = 272 dollars.

So it could be up to 100 dollars less than the current situation... and you'll get an extra power axe and heavy chainsword for your trouble, which you wouldn't get out of the previous resin kits.

Not great, but better than the current situation. I'm sure many places can provide you with bolt pistols and chainswords for a lot cheaper though...

 SirDonlad wrote:

I had a look for said leg pic but could not find; can you assist?
If it is a thallax leg i'll recognise it.

I believe they're referring to this one. It doesn't show the "leg", but rather the engine at the back of the potential Thallax leg.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And don’t worry, more plastic infantry is in production – the Age of Darkness isn’t just about tanks! Watch this space for more information and sign up for the newsletter to stay up-to-date with the latest news from the Horus Heresy.

I mean, they say that, but we literally have no evidence to the contrary.

In fact I would argue that resin melee arms are good evidence that plastic melee arms are nowhere on the horizon.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

I believe they're referring to this one. It doesn't show the "leg", but rather the engine at the back of the potential Thallax leg.

Nice one!

That is not a Thallax thruster.
The Thallax thruster is a constant angle all the way to the connection point.
On the side it has three indented concave semi-circular sweeps with a convex radius at the intersection line.


That image looks to be a copy but instead of sweep cuts they went for a series of increasing diameter disks leaving a 'steppped' exterior.
Also, the taper of the overall conic shape is a wider angle; ~45° compared to 30° on the Thallax.

Can't speak for Ursarax because i don't like them and didn't buy any, but can confidently deny Thallaxi status for that image 100%.