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I think "tank fatigue" is an oversimplification of it.

This was billed as a way to open up the Heresy to more players. Keeping huge numbers of non-Marine basic infantry in resin?

That ain't it.

Even just a few token releases here and there of infantry would go a long way towards making it genuinely feel like a real setting rather than just another exercise in the Danger Room like Marine v Marine always ends up feeling like.

HH is objectively more open to new players.
Can you take every single unit option in plastic? No. Can you take the most popular units across all HH armies in plastic? Yes. Is the game far cheaper to access than in the past? Absolutely yes.
21 new generic Legion kits that offer much better value for money than other GW systems alongside reboxes of 5 older kits, rules for the majority of armies within the first 6 months, and continued regular support for both additional units and new products.
The Despoiler upgrade is bad but hells bells you'd think that GW had released a single HH kit and then done absolutely nothing else with the constant complaining seen in this thread.

drbored wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Forgeworld Deimos Vindicator gone.

Yep, both variants and from multiple countries.

Guess we know what next thursday's reveal is going to be.

Really really hoping they'll do the Arquitor's in plastic. Can't justify spending a ton on a line artillery tank

 Gert wrote:
HH is objectively more open to new players.
Can you take every single unit option in plastic? No. Can you take the most popular units across all HH armies in plastic? Yes. Is the game far cheaper to access than in the past? Absolutely yes.
21 new generic Legion kits that offer much better value for money than other GW systems alongside reboxes of 5 older kits, rules for the majority of armies within the first 6 months, and continued regular support for both additional units and new products.
The Despoiler upgrade is bad but hells bells you'd think that GW had released a single HH kit and then done absolutely nothing else with the constant complaining seen in this thread.

Personal opinion. Any marine unit beyond the super heavies that is in the core list (not legion specific) bar some HQ consul choices should be in plastic.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Gert wrote:
HH is objectively more open to new players.
Can you take every single unit option in plastic? No. Can you take the most popular units across all HH armies in plastic? Yes. Is the game far cheaper to access than in the past? Absolutely yes.
21 new generic Legion kits that offer much better value for money than other GW systems alongside reboxes of 5 older kits, rules for the majority of armies within the first 6 months, and continued regular support for both additional units and new products.
The Despoiler upgrade is bad but hells bells you'd think that GW had released a single HH kit and then done absolutely nothing else with the constant complaining seen in this thread.

Personal opinion. Any marine unit beyond the super heavies that is in the core list (not legion specific) bar some HQ consul choices should be in plastic.

Yeah, it seems obvious, really. Especially troops. Doubly so for the close combat stuff that is the functional center point for multiple legions.

I can see why (from a business perspective) the legion upgrade stuff or special units makes sense in resin, because they're intentionally cutting the potential customers by 1/18th (give or take for popular legions or people who do more than one). But we're still talking basic squads here. So a gakky upgrade sprue (that doesn't really work well with the five available body poses) just seems a waste of time.

JWBS wrote:
Gotta feel there would have been less tank fatigue if they'd gone through the list of rhino chasis tanks first.

I have given up hope on the infantry stuff. Treating HH as a World of Tanks game is the better solution for beginners. I need to consult the rulebook for minimum requirements to field a tank army and then I am good.

 Strg Alt wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Gotta feel there would have been less tank fatigue if they'd gone through the list of rhino chasis tanks first.

I have given up hope on the infantry stuff. Treating HH as a World of Tanks game is the better solution for beginners. I need to consult the rulebook for minimum requirements to field a tank army and then I am good.

3 Predators

But they don't get Line

Covenant of fire ROW for the 18th says otherwise....

But other than that I don't think anyone else does?

Not that line is even particularly relevant in most of the missions in the game.

Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

Which heads are those? My browser's not showing "Next Week in Warhammer" just yet.. If the Rave Guard MKVI heads are coming, I need to prepare myself!

It's Raven Guard

 tauist wrote:
Which heads are those?

Raven, Alpha & Characters

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/05/sunday-preview-vashtorr-besieges-the-rock/

Awesomesauce! Been waiting for em since they were announced. 3 sets of RG heads for me, please

Think I’m gonna hold off the Cerberus. Gotta love near Titan scale weapons applied in advisably.

Neat.

Not much else to say about it until we get something truly surprising or interesting.

Feels like they have a lot more revealed than they have released XD

Surely a new Mark of power armour release would be compatible with the current heavy/special weapon kits, right? I can't imagine they'd release 4-5 new boxes of heavy/special weapons.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Keeping huge numbers of non-Marine basic infantry in resin?

That ain't it.

Marines are the focus. Everyone knows you have Mechanicum, but like Raven Guard in 40k, they are not the focus. Marines are.

So the big releases are going to be Marine-centric. You just have to learn to accept that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Think I’m gonna hold off the Cerberus. Gotta love near Titan scale weapons applied in advisably.

I'm the same - but I might get a couple of Sicaran Venators instead...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

So, if we're getting the Esoterist, does that mean we're also getting the Daemons to go along with him? Just askin.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

So, if we're getting the Esoterist, does that mean we're also getting the Daemons to go along with him? Just askin.

Shirley you must be joking.?????

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

So, if we're getting the Esoterist, does that mean we're also getting the Daemons to go along with him? Just askin.

I can't say.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Decent releases next week.

Typhon, Exodus, Estoerist, heads and odds and sods.

So, if we're getting the Esoterist, does that mean we're also getting the Daemons to go along with him? Just askin.

Shirley you must be joking.?????

Don't, call me Shirley.

Esoterist is basically dead weight until Daemons of the Ruinstorm come out.

Maybe we'll finally see something about it at Adepticon, but I'm not holding my breath.

drbored wrote:
Esoterist is basically dead weight until Daemons of the Ruinstorm come out.

Maybe we'll finally see something about it at Adepticon, but I'm not holding my breath.

I like that they describe him summoning entities from the warp yet we don't even know the entities so to speak...

but then again we know that cults and militia are like SA on the allies chart but we don't even know what a cult is so to speak either.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Surely a new Mark of power armour release would be compatible with the current heavy/special weapon kits, right?

The current kits have Mk6 arms, so... no. They don't go with any other mark. However, the arms are on a separate sprue that's the same in all weapon boxes. So a new mark might only entail 1 new sprue of arms, but all the boxes would have to be repackaged.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Surely a new Mark of power armour release would be compatible with the current heavy/special weapon kits, right?

The current kits have Mk6 arms, so... no. They don't go with any other mark. However, the arms are on a separate sprue that's the same in all weapon boxes. So a new mark might only entail 1 new sprue of arms, but all the boxes would have to be repackaged.

Unless they just put the arms in the trooper box as options- Enlarge the accessory sprue and leave off the chain bayonets and there should be room.

I think you underestimate how many arms you need for heavy weapons. Each weapon box comes with 2-3 arm sprues the size of the mk6 accessory sprue.

I don't know where you guys are getting your weapon kits but where I live the heavy weapon kits come with two small sprues of arms with enough for the weapons in the kit and not a lot spare. The special weapon kit doesn't come with arms at all and uses the ones from the base infantry kit.

The HB / ML box?

Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.