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Dorn had whatever Librarians he had within his immediate ranks kept safe on the Phalanx for the inevitable Siege of Terra.
There were portions of the Legion that never got to Terra and fought elsewhere. When the reality of the Heresy became clear, many ex-Librarians donned their wargear again to combat the Daemons summoned by the Traitors.
The reason the model is painted as an Imperial Fist is because its one of the marketing Legions. The SoH got the Esoterist and the Fists get the Librarian.

 Gert wrote:

Zephon's jump pack is just a fancy Mk7 pack and he wears Mk6 armour. On top of that, the Chaos Raptor packs are Heresy designs and easy to de-Chaos. For Chainswords and Bolt Pistols, there are how many different kits that provide them? It's not like we're pre-Black Book Heresy trying to get as many Heresy pattern helmets as possible from the 4 plastic kits that had them.
Outside of GW products, there are plenty of sellers who make compatible bits people could use.
It's never about finding solutions, it's always just about complaining as much as possible.

Personally, my issue is with not knowing what the MKVI jump packs are going to look like.

We can guess and extrapolate, but various armor marks often times have dramatically different gear appearance wise. While some bits I'd argue are trivial (the right chainsword / chain axe with the mk) and easily explained away, I feel jump packs are large enough - and often times different enough to - to warrant care.

Especially because HH is a 'historical' game, so part of the fun (imo) is matching up the gear to make it "accurate".

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I like the look of the Librarian model, but didn't the Imperial Fists not use their Librarians during the Heresy? Why is he then painted that way? Also, making the model resin is a big L.

Sons of Horus better scheme? After all it's one of the two.

Horus is on the traitor side, and this is a loyalist specific model.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Horus is on the traitor side, and this is a loyalist specific model.

Then again, one of the features of the Heresy is there are elements of every Legion on both sides.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Horus is on the traitor side, and this is a loyalist specific model.

Which means it was always going to be if.

If or soh. If it's not sof then if.

He asked why if, it was if or soh.

I think this Librarian is very uninspired. Not bad, just mediocre.

It’s clear to me that GW are stretched thin when it comes to HH. We keep hearing that their production capacity is maxed out, and these stopgap resin releases seem to confirm it.

 Snord wrote:
I think this Librarian is very uninspired. Not bad, just mediocre.

It’s clear to me that GW are stretched thin when it comes to HH. We keep hearing that their production capacity is maxed out, and these stopgap resin releases seem to confirm it.

All the more reason, to maybee attempt to give us an roadmap, whilest also finally providing the cult&milita aswell as daemons PDF's that have been promised. Because even if the Plan looks bad from a community perspective, the goodwill for the latter will surely pad out hard feelings enough and honesty is a refreshingly effective communication tool, especially if done with respect to their community.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Horus is on the traitor side, and this is a loyalist specific model.

No it isn't, librarians are available to all the legions. They even mention using him as a diabolist in the article


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 morganfreeman wrote:

 Gert wrote:

Zephon's jump pack is just a fancy Mk7 pack and he wears Mk6 armour. On top of that, the Chaos Raptor packs are Heresy designs and easy to de-Chaos. For Chainswords and Bolt Pistols, there are how many different kits that provide them? It's not like we're pre-Black Book Heresy trying to get as many Heresy pattern helmets as possible from the 4 plastic kits that had them.
Outside of GW products, there are plenty of sellers who make compatible bits people could use.
It's never about finding solutions, it's always just about complaining as much as possible.

Personally, my issue is with not knowing what the MKVI jump packs are going to look like.

We can guess and extrapolate, but various armor marks often times have dramatically different gear appearance wise. While some bits I'd argue are trivial (the right chainsword / chain axe with the mk) and easily explained away, I feel jump packs are large enough - and often times different enough to - to warrant care.

Especially because HH is a 'historical' game, so part of the fun (imo) is matching up the gear to make it "accurate".

I wouldn't worry too much. A lot of people (including me) use the Mk7 and MK4 packs for their Mk6 assault marines. The heresy is also a "faux-historical" setting where the scope is so massive and varied that you can pretty much do what you want and explain some fluff for it. Ie- The pack later designated as "Mk7" was probably pioneered during the development of Mk6 armour and and thus ended up being used by marines on both sides during the heresy. Originally intended as part of the full kit of the Mk6 generation, along with the new generation of umbra pattern boltguns. Due to supply lines being cut and the prototypes being split between both loyalist and traitor mechanicum clades and legion forges, a number of sub patterns were developed and jury rigged and can be seen on armour marks from mk5 to the Mk7 suits worn by the defenders of terra and subsequently by both sides during the battles of the scouring.
As the millennia progressed, loyalist forces have almost fully adopted the use of the "standardised" Mk7 jump pack while traitor forces can still be seen sporting prototype and offshoot designs

There we go. Problem solved.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I think this Librarian is very uninspired. Not bad, just mediocre.

It’s clear to me that GW are stretched thin when it comes to HH. We keep hearing that their production capacity is maxed out, and these stopgap resin releases seem to confirm it.

All the more reason, to maybee attempt to give us an roadmap, whilest also finally providing the cult&milita aswell as daemons PDF's that have been promised. Because even if the Plan looks bad from a community perspective, the goodwill for the latter will surely pad out hard feelings enough and honesty is a refreshingly effective communication tool, especially if done with respect to their community.

Be careful what you wish for. Road map will probably lead to a dead end.

 Strg Alt wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I think this Librarian is very uninspired. Not bad, just mediocre.

It’s clear to me that GW are stretched thin when it comes to HH. We keep hearing that their production capacity is maxed out, and these stopgap resin releases seem to confirm it.

All the more reason, to maybee attempt to give us an roadmap, whilest also finally providing the cult&milita aswell as daemons PDF's that have been promised. Because even if the Plan looks bad from a community perspective, the goodwill for the latter will surely pad out hard feelings enough and honesty is a refreshingly effective communication tool, especially if done with respect to their community.

Be careful what you wish for. Road map will probably lead to a dead end.

Not cool....


But unfortunately probably accurate.

Could be a lull in HH plastics due to a lot of machine time being tied up getting 10th Ed starters and Marines/Nids kits printed.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I think this Librarian is very uninspired. Not bad, just mediocre.

It’s clear to me that GW are stretched thin when it comes to HH. We keep hearing that their production capacity is maxed out, and these stopgap resin releases seem to confirm it.

All the more reason, to maybee attempt to give us an roadmap, whilest also finally providing the cult&milita aswell as daemons PDF's that have been promised. Because even if the Plan looks bad from a community perspective, the goodwill for the latter will surely pad out hard feelings enough and honesty is a refreshingly effective communication tool, especially if done with respect to their community.

Be careful what you wish for. Road map will probably lead to a dead end.

Not cool....


But unfortunately probably accurate.

The writing is already on the wall. People just need to have the courage and digest the information. We have received a wave of nice plastic tanks so that everybody can field either a "World of Tanks" list or a Dreadnought list which is not necessarily a bad thing. After that? Sound of crickets and crappy, mediocre resin support. Nail in the coffin were the resin close combat weapons. That incident signaled to me the end of their willingness to go the full way into fleshing out HH 2.0 in form of mini support.

Apparently the focus have been relocated elsewhere. 10th 40K and Epic 30K. I will definitely support the latter with my wallet as I fell in love with the setting during the 90s with Epic Space Marine. Can´t wait to field WHOLE companies of Iron Hands on the roof tops of city blocks and tie in those epic battles with my small 30K force.

Except we’re told of more news to come at Warhammerfest.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Except we’re told of more news to come at Warhammerfest.

People have such a weird fixation on calling HH a 'dead game'... I just don't get it, the game gets regular support in plastic and resin, books, regular website features and all you could desire. They're gonna take it easier for a quarter or two now, mostly because it's New Edition Time for 40k and - allow me an absolutely wild guess that's not supported by like, every edition since 3rd, ever - Space Marine Codex time soon after that, and contrary to popular belief even GW has better sense than going all SpaceMarine all the time across 2-3 systems at once. And then they'll return, probably with a new starter box and infantry sets, sometime in the late autumn or even in the winter, going on next year. In the meantime, expect more books and resin characters, but imho it's much too early to write the game's obituary just yet.

Apologies if this has already made the rounds here, but I don't remember seeing it in the thread.



Possible terminator praetor or just a conversion?

Tsagualsa wrote:
People have such a weird fixation on calling HH a 'dead game'... I just don't get it, the game gets regular support in plastic and resin, books, regular website features and all you could desire.

Yeah but see it hasn't dethroned 40k as the main GW game, therefore, it's dead.

 Gert wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
People have such a weird fixation on calling HH a 'dead game'... I just don't get it, the game gets regular support in plastic and resin, books, regular website features and all you could desire.

Yeah but see it hasn't dethroned 40k as the main GW game, therefore, it's dead.

...by that logic, can I cheer for the death of AoS?

 Dysartes wrote:

...by that logic, can I cheer for the death of AoS?

Oh no. Not my precious MESBG!! see what I did there?
How will I ever recover from it's loss?!

Prediction:

We've seen a new campaign book and Warhammer Fest is going show a new boxed to compliment it.

Please sweet baby lord Dante let it be new troops in there.

I'm expecting the next plastic troops to be assault marines, which will have plastic pistol and chainsword arms, while the resin despoiler kit is part stopgap and part for people to make despoilers without buying a box of jetpack bodies just for the arms.

We also have the Vindicator kits to release.

Frankly, they need to prove that they are serious about it being a game rather than a Marine v Marine Danger Room Simulation.

Plastic Mechanicum or Solar Aux aren't going to happen anytime soon, if at all.

Then the game has zero point in being supported with a plastic range.

Only for someone who doesn't want to play Marines and even then there are how many kits to use for armies like Mech and Auxilia that aren't resin? On top of that Daemons and Militia are armies that have a huge chunk of plastic kits to use because they're designed to be that way. Then Custodes are like a solid 80% plastic army and most Knights are plastic as well.
Expecting GW to do Mechanicum within the first year of the game being out is just plain silly.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Then the game has zero point in being supported with a plastic range.

People had been clamouring for Heresy-era marks of armour and vehicles ever since the CCG gave them detailled artwork for a lot of it almost 20 years to the day ago, to the point that it sustained a large part of Forgeworld and countless independent sellers of count-as products. The demand is there, no use in denying it. Even now, the chief complaint among players is that this demand is not actually fulfilled with a full range of troop types and armor marks yet.

 Gert wrote:
Only for someone who doesn't want to play Marines and even then there are how many kits to use for armies like Mech and Auxilia that aren't resin? On top of that Daemons and Militia are armies that have a huge chunk of plastic kits to use because they're designed to be that way. Then Custodes are like a solid 80% plastic army and most Knights are plastic as well.
Expecting GW to do Mechanicum within the first year of the game being out is just plain silly.

I'm expecting GW to do something to make the game more appealing to people that aren't just wanting to play Marines or if they're going to focus on Marines?

They could at least be doing more specialized items in plastic or making more of it available directly via GW's webstore, ala the Contemptor plates & Primarchs. This product selection has been hot garbage. They could have bothered to add some of the more recent resin trash in plastic or done some stuff like the Robots as multi-build plastics.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting GW to do something to make the game more appealing to people that aren't just wanting to play Marines or if they're going to focus on Marines?

They could at least be doing more specialized items in plastic or making more of it available directly via GW's webstore, ala the Contemptor plates & Primarchs. This product selection has been hot garbage. They could have bothered to add some of the more recent resin trash in plastic or done some stuff like the Robots as multi-build plastics.

At my last count it was something like 17 new plastic Marine kits, with a bunch more reboxes at some of the best army-building pricing similar to that of MESBG. Hardly what I would call "hot garbage". You can keep whinging about not getting robots but you're delusional if you think GW was going to bring out anything but new Marine kits within the first year of the new system.

"Resin trash"? Feth off with that noise, Kan - I wouldn't say any resin offerings since HH2.0 launched at the very least could reasonably be described as trash. The arm set is a bit questionable, as that really should be part of a plastic kit, but they're not badly executed.

Wider question - have there really been any bad HH sculpts since the two Space Wolves ones with the banana fur and upside-down bolters?

The Mk6 helms swung between really cool and really weird but apart from that, can't think of anything. The resin also isn't the same as older FW, it's much much better and has been since at least the Dark Angel Praetors.