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Since Kan is arguing they should have put more "resin trash" in plastic I would assume he's referring to the material, not the sculpts?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Only for someone who doesn't want to play Marines and even then there are how many kits to use for armies like Mech and Auxilia that aren't resin? On top of that Daemons and Militia are armies that have a huge chunk of plastic kits to use because they're designed to be that way. Then Custodes are like a solid 80% plastic army and most Knights are plastic as well.
Expecting GW to do Mechanicum within the first year of the game being out is just plain silly.

I'm expecting GW to do something to make the game more appealing to people that aren't just wanting to play Marines or if they're going to focus on Marines?

40K exists if you want to play all sorts of not-Marines. The Heresy was primarily about the war between the Astartes Legions. It's like saying "I want to play a game about the US Civil War, but are they going to do stuff for people who don't want to play as Americans?"

Eh. Partially.

I want plastic Solar Auxilia infantry, and maybe the odd tank, if only to drastically lower the entry cost for that army.

I want plastic Mechanicum, because whilst Auotmata are quite hefty points wise, plastic is a cheaper and superior material.

It will add a greater variety of potential opponents, without breaking the setting. That’s never a bad thing.

Right but there is a difference between wanting plastic Mechanicum and expecting them and being angry that your unrealsitic expectations aren't met.

I would love to see a lot of plastic Mechanicum, if only to make it easier for people to get into the army.

It would make little difference for me (unlike the plastic tanks for the Legions) as I already have a ton of resin Mechanicum, but I would not say no to plastic Thallax and Triaros.

For plastic, I'd love Custodes, since they have only 5-6 units that would need done, and could easily cross over into 40K as well. But in general, the more releases, especially plastic, the better.

I think, aside from the Saggitarum (spelling?) all the heresy Custodes have a plastic 40k equivalent kit. Which aren't too aesthetically dissimilar.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

40K exists if you want to play all sorts of not-Marines. The Heresy was primarily about the war between the Astartes Legions. It's like saying "I want to play a game about the US Civil War, but are they going to do stuff for people who don't want to play as Americans?"

That's a terrible example. The "war between the Astartes Legions" also included the Imperial Army sworn to those Legions, Mechanicum allies, etc.

The Heresy is literally what led to the separations of the various branches of Imperial military forces. Despite Gert's weird inferences, I'm not suggesting that we need things like a Stygies Skitarii kit in plastic or Solar Auxilia(although I do wishlist for the latter quite often), but something generic for the various non-Marine factions in plastic would show an actual dedication to making the game more accessible.

You are conflating "diverse" with "accessible" and claiming that they are not being "serious" about the game just because adjacent factions aren't currently supported to your liking

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
You are conflating "diverse" with "accessible" and claiming that they are not being "serious" about the game just because adjacent factions aren't currently supported to your liking

No, I'm conflating "accessible" with "accessible".

If it's ONLY available via FW?
That is not accessible.

And I'm saying they are not being "serious" about showcasing the game as actually being the various factions. Yeah yeah yeah marines, whatever--it's not like we didn't just get a big starter set full of them right?

Nothing stopping them from releasing a plastic Automata or two, and resin Legion upgrade packs or whatever.

How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

Can I walk into the shop and buy it or have my LGS order it for me?

No? Then it's not accessible.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Frankly, they need to prove that they are serious about it being a game rather than a Marine v Marine Danger Room Simulation.

You are aware of what the Horus Heresy was, right?

And how are they not serious?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

Can I walk into the shop and buy it or have my LGS order it for me?

No? Then it's not accessible.

Kan, this isn't 1999 any more - shopping on the internet is normal these days.

And I'm not even going to ask how asking your LGS to order something for you is any more accessible than placing an online order of your own.

Please stop acting like the world is how it was 20+ years ago, dude - you're giving off Grandpa Simpson vibes here.

 Dysartes wrote:

Kan, this isn't 1999 any more - shopping on the internet is normal these days.

Yes and so is in-store pickup, curbside takeaway, or even having items shipped to stores!

And I'm not even going to ask how asking your LGS to order something for you is any more accessible than placing an online order of your own.

One of those actually helps my LGS while the other doesn't...and it's not that hard to ask a reliable LGS to order things for you. That's how I was getting Infinity and am currently getting Bushido products. It admittedly takes a bit longer, but guess what?
-The item arrives.
-I supported my local shop.


In the case of GW/FW products? There's zero excuse for a GW shop to be unable to sell me items for what has been badged as a "core game", with enough to it that it merited its own webstore header rather than being folded under "Boxed Games".

Especially not when they have the core box, rules, and army books sitting on the shelf.

Please stop acting like the world is how it was 20+ years ago, dude - you're giving off Grandpa Simpson vibes here.

That's fine. You can order as much online as you want. I don't like to do so.

My local GW store stocks, and sells, a fair bit of Horus Heresy stuff. Not sure if is down to total sales figures, demand or total store turnover. And the 2 LFGS in my immediate vicinity stock HH as well.

Is this an America thing?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
My local GW store stocks, and sells, a fair bit of Horus Heresy stuff. Not sure if is down to total sales figures, demand or total store turnover. And the 2 LFGS in my immediate vicinity stock HH as well.

Is this an America thing?

Does your store stock the resin stuff, like Thallax or Primarchs or the like?

Because that's what I'm harping on. It's a joke to pretend that this game is easily accessible when huge swathes of it aren't available on shelves.

Huge swaths of many games are unavailable on shelves. Shelf space is a limited supply. You may not like resin, and not ordering online, but FW models are about as easy to buy as anything from Amazon or EBay.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Huge swaths of many games are unavailable on shelves. Shelf space is a limited supply. You may not like resin, and not ordering online, but FW models are about as easy to buy as anything from Amazon or EBay.

Cool, so it's not made more accessible by taking up plastic production?

Remind me again what the point of having this system even is?

I'm fine with coming across as Grampa Simpson. The simple fact is that if this is a game being actively stocked by game stores, there needs to be some kind of product available. And simply saying that "yOu CaN jUsT bUy 40k mOdeLs!1!" is not a real solution.

My local GW does actually stock most of the Primarchs, some Legion units and even Titans.

 Gert wrote:
My local GW does actually stock most of the Primarchs, some Legion units and even Titans.

That's great for you!

I can't speak for every single US store, but for my local GW?
None of that is stocked. The only orderable resin items via the webstore are the Primarchs and the new Contemptor bundles. Christ, they didn't even get sent copies of the Mechanicum book because it was delayed in North America and got shunted to Direct Only.

I really hope we get a Furibundus dreadnaught. They are one of the few cool things from RT that haven't made an reappearance in recent years.

Just out of interest, is there a lore reason why the 30k Custodes units are different from the 40K ones?

 Kanluwen wrote:
[The simple fact is that if this is a game being actively stocked by game stores, there needs to be some kind of product available. And simply saying that "yOu CaN jUsT bUy 40k mOdeLs!1!" is not a real solution.

I count 75 units in the HH section of the GW webstore. Plenty of product. It just doesn't cater to your specific opinion on what should be supported, which somehow makes it inaccessible, even though FW which created most all of these units sells them directly still. It would work better to send an email to the HH manager than continue to shuffle goal posts around in this thread.



Back on a real topic, I hope that WarhammerFest will see the release of the resin librarian and tank commanders they have shown off, despoiler arms, the remaining 6 contemptor torsos, and the plastic vindicator. Would love to pick them up.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Just out of interest, is there a lore reason why the 30k Custodes units are different from the 40K ones?

Basically it's the combination of the Imperium stopping the super-science that had been ongoing under the Emperors direct tutelage and oversight because nobody has the authority to conduct it anymore and the Custodes getting millenia-long mega-depression because they kind of failed on their 'You had one job' task of protecting the Emperor. That's also the reason they ran around unarmoured for ten thousand years.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Just out of interest, is there a lore reason why the 30k Custodes units are different from the 40K ones?

IIRC FW made Terminator and Jetbike custodes, then when GW updated the Custodes codex they made alternate versions in plastic since they weren't porting FW resin kits directly to plastic at the time.

[Edit] Ah, lore. Missed that. Well, if they do plasticize them, I imagine fluff will change to pulling the old units back out of storage to meet new dire threats.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gert wrote:
My local GW does actually stock most of the Primarchs, some Legion units and even Titans.

That's great for you!

I can't speak for every single US store, but for my local GW?
None of that is stocked. The only orderable resin items via the webstore are the Primarchs and the new Contemptor bundles. Christ, they didn't even get sent copies of the Mechanicum book because it was delayed in North America and got shunted to Direct Only.

Some folks just gotta complain about something...

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