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I still find the MK 3 boltguns to be a fail.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I’m surprised mk 4 isn’t being redone first given that it’s the older kit. Given that Fafnir Rann is sculpted with the new mk3, I guess it was easier to make more models based around him.

Speaking of which, how does Fafnir scale with the mk 6 marines?

Might just be a question of popularity. If FW is confident people like the new proportions enough to buy their army all over again and Mk.III sold better than Mk.IV, there's no question which one should be redone first.

Age is probably not a consideration. The two marks weren't all that far apart and Marine casts didn't get better or crisper in that time.

Perhaps GW has decided they will make similar tac squad boxes out of all three existing plastic marks, VI, III, IV?

In the first stage, they up the model count on all tac kits to 20. Then, reintroduce recut MKIII & MKIV tac kits? This would mean that the upgrade weapon & melee sprues would be compatible across all three plastic armour mark kits. I mean, I'd love it if upcoming breacher upg kit could work on any plastic armour mark without requiring conversions.

If you think how many sprues the old MKIII & MKIV kits use, recutting the kits to use less sprues might even end up saving GW money in the long term.. besides updating the scales on em all.

I'm sure the new Mk3s will got from a full featured 40k style kit with wargear options to a quarter size sprue of 5 poses with nothing but boltguns, yes.

It's a kit more appropriate to the unit they're being sold as if so. The Mk4 and Mk3 kits were a good start but almost everyone in our gaming group ended up building them like 40k Tacticals before they got the rules and ended up running Pride of the Legion until they could buy new kits to use as Legion Tacticals. With the newer kits there's no issue there because they come with exactly the options the Legion Tactical Squad has in the rules. The additional weapon kits aren't even badly priced, especially considering most are 3 different weapons.

 Gert wrote:
It's a kit more appropriate to the unit they're being sold as if so. The Mk4 and Mk3 kits were a good start but almost everyone in our gaming group ended up building them like 40k Tacticals before they got the rules and ended up running Pride of the Legion until they could buy new kits to use as Legion Tacticals. With the newer kits there's no issue there because they come with exactly the options the Legion Tactical Squad has in the rules. The additional weapon kits aren't even badly priced, especially considering most are 3 different weapons.

Honestly this is the sort of copium The Outer Circle keeps talking about.

"It's good they're removing half the content so somebody doesn't give them a heavy bolter by accident"

I for one don't even want more than five leg poses!

The new kits don’t have all the options though. Sarges with wargear are particularly rough.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Honestly this is the sort of copium The Outer Circle keeps talking about.

"It's good they're removing half the content so somebody doesn't give them a heavy bolter by accident"

To use a Tactical or Heavy Support Squad, you previously had to fork out for FW weapons or buy 5 of the same kit to get the minimum weapons you need for a single unit. For actually building a Heresy army the new kit is objectively better in value. £73.50 from GW for a 20-man unit plus any of the Weapon packs. To do the same for the Mk3/4 kits, it was £70 for just the 20 Marines plus another £15.50 for each set of Special or Heavy weapons which came in sets of 10 and 5 respectively, leading you at the lowest into the £100 mark, higher if you went for Heavies.
But sure, I'm on "copium" because I prefer not to spend £50 on 10 Special Weapon dudes.

 Nevelon wrote:
The new kits don’t have all the options though. Sarges with wargear are particularly rough.

Sergeants are missing exactly one option and that's the Combi-Weapon. The older kits only came with a Chainsword, Power Sword, LC, and Powerfist, just like the Mk6 kit.
Not denying that a Volkite Serpenta or a Power Axe would be nice but pretending the new Sergeant options are largely fewer than the old ones is just plain wrong.

i think he meant the possible loss of equipment in the redone tactical squads, which is a valid argument, considering they also have melee equipment (missing in mk 6) and specials and heavies.

Yup, my big issues when putting together the new mk VI is getting the right gear on my sarge. Because both hands on on the bolter, it’s nearly impossible to make a sarge with the squad’s gear and a CC toy.

This is especially bad for support squads. I would like my volkite assault support sarge to have a powerfist, but he’s going to have to settle for a sheathed powersword, so he can keep both hands on his gun.

 Nevelon wrote:
This is especially bad for support squads. I would like my volkite assault support sarge to have a powerfist, but he’s going to have to settle for a sheathed powersword, so he can keep both hands on his gun.

If you are talking about volkite chargers, you can take the volkite serpenta from the Tartaros kit and use it for the Sgt. Sure, it's technically the pistol version, but the bit is 90% the same as a charger, and it doesn't make sense for a Sgt of volkite charger squad to take one anyway, so I doubt it'll be confusing.

The biggest issue is the Tartaros serpenta is right-handed, so depending on which mark or armor you go with, you might have to swap fists. Even that shouldn't be too bad given the sheer number of plasma pistols in all the tactical kits.

Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
This is especially bad for support squads. I would like my volkite assault support sarge to have a powerfist, but he’s going to have to settle for a sheathed powersword, so he can keep both hands on his gun.

If you are talking about volkite chargers, you can take the volkite serpenta from the Tartaros kit and use it for the Sgt. Sure, it's technically the pistol version, but the bit is 90% the same as a charger, and it doesn't make sense for a Sgt of volkite charger squad to take one anyway, so I doubt it'll be confusing.

The biggest issue is the Tartaros serpenta is right-handed, so depending on which mark or armor you go with, you might have to swap fists. Even that shouldn't be too bad given the sheer number of plasma pistols in all the tactical kits.

The Tartaros bit is a volkite charger.

 Gert wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
The new kits don’t have all the options though. Sarges with wargear are particularly rough.

Sergeants are missing exactly one option and that's the Combi-Weapon. The older kits only came with a Chainsword, Power Sword, LC, and Powerfist, just like the Mk6 kit.

The MkIV comes with Combi-bolters and the parts to make them flamer, melta, or plasma. MkIII includes a Thunder Hammer. Also, the MkVI does not include a chainsword or unholstered bolt pistol.

The resin tanks are coming back next weekend.

Resin.

yay

Resin.

Classic tanks from the Forge World range return to the Horus Heresy at the Games Workshop webstore, upgraded with new plastic sponson sprues that make it easier than ever to add weapon variety to your armoured companies.

Does that mean they're going to be on the main site, rather than FW?

It says they'll be plastic and resin. I assume they were full resin kits before?

SamusDrake wrote:
It says they'll be plastic and resin. I assume they were full resin kits before?

Yes - they've modified them to use the plastic Sponson sprues.

SamusDrake wrote:
It says they'll be plastic and resin. I assume they were full resin kits before?

Yeah. It’s only the guns that are plastic though, they’ve retooled them to use the new plastic weapon sprue.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Resin.

yay

Resin.

If it is any consolidation to you, they'll probably sneak in a little price increase too

beast_gts wrote:

Classic tanks from the Forge World range return to the Horus Heresy at the Games Workshop webstore, upgraded with new plastic sponson sprues that make it easier than ever to add weapon variety to your armoured companies.

Does that mean they're going to be on the main site, rather than FW?

It sure reads that way - probably they want to consolidate it all under one store label.

SamusDrake wrote:It says they'll be plastic and resin. I assume they were full resin kits before?

They were full resin before, and are now resin bodies with plastic sponsons and accessories - they have been reworked to share the same sponson sprue all plastic heresy ground vehicles have.

And the Command Rhino is now a conversion kit for the plastic Rhino, rather than whatever it was before.

I happen to have a spare Deimos Rhino chassis unbuilt.. If the Damocles command upgrade turns out sensibly prized, I'll bite. I also have a spare set of iconographied Deimos Rhino doors, which might make sense on a command vehicle like that. For some reason, I didn't want to use the fancy doors on a regular Rhino, seemed like a waste..

Ah, cool.

So for those concerned these new releases might be a little easier on the wallet? Not my thing as I'm eyeing up the new Lancer, but its nice to know that others have something to look forward to as well.

I don't see them getting cheaper, but I also don't see them raising the price either, since the plastic sprues will provide more options and better QA for better margins to GW

I was hoping the plastic vindicators would sneak in this weekend as well, but alas.

The vindicators are the last of the officially announced stuff, yes? Before the vague roadmap, anyway.

Vindicators then the Knight Lancers.

beast_gts wrote:
Does that mean they're going to be on the main site, rather than FW?

No, but to make up for it they'll get a nice price rise!

 tauist wrote:
I happen to have a spare Deimos Rhino chassis unbuilt.. If the Damocles command upgrade turns out sensibly prized, I'll bite.

Do we know if they'll sell the parts on their own, or if you have to buy it and the whole Rhino?

Voss wrote:
I was hoping the plastic vindicators would sneak in this weekend as well, but alas.

The vindicators are the last of the officially announced stuff, yes? Before the vague roadmap, anyway.

No Siege Of Cthonia book yet either.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do we know if they'll sell the parts on their own, or if you have to buy it and the whole Rhino?

At the bottom of the article, "Except the Damocles Command Rhino Upgrade Kit, which is all resin."

Not really news-worthy, but the retooled FW vehicle kits are here.