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There's probably a Legends points PDF when the rest of Legends are put out.

Can we not talk about 40k 10th Ed in the Heresy thread please? There are about 20 other threads to chose from.

If someone is interested in Eldar rules for HH2.0 there were posted some few days ago on the internet. Didnt check them myself but if you want here they are.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Looks like my hopes for double dipping in HH2 & 40K 10th edition are still kept on life support

To be fair, if the intent is to do that from the start it could be pretty decently planned out, you'd just have less options. Proxy Mk6 for Intercessors, or helblasters if given all plasma / missile marines with all missile launcher / infernus for all flamers. Mk4s as old school Tac squads. Rhino's as Rhino's and Preds as Preds, just watch the upgrades. Similarly for Landraider / terminators. Leviathan as redemption variants (again watch weapon options).

Not saying it would be optimized, but definitely options out there.

Yeah, I got it all planned out already. These legends datasheets already made a vast majority of my upcoming army compatible with both systems. Caestus Assault Ram is the only sheet missing, and I already decided to use it "counts as" stormraven or something. Just need to magnetize or blu-tac my Indomi termies Crux Terminatus shoulderpads, to swap em out for blanks for HH

 Gert wrote:
Can we not talk about 40k 10th Ed in the Heresy thread please? There are about 20 other threads to chose from.

its actually quite nice running a 30k force, built for 30k, with 30k limitations in 40k

for one thing it occasionally gets a "what? you can actually paint these things!" reaction from some people

agree on the point made though

 morganfreeman wrote:
30k seems legitimately better in every way, unless you absolutely cannot love without seeing your sm gunning down orks or something.

Games are longer, the game itself is more complex, depending on where you live it can be nearly impossible to find a game locally, an army is more expensive you're using anything from FW, and not everyone wants to play SM or SM adjacent faction. The 30k rules are better IMO but it doesn't matter if nobody else in your area plays the game.

Toofast wrote:

Games are longer, the game itself is more complex, depending on where you live it can be nearly impossible to find a game locally, an army is more expensive you're using anything from FW, and not everyone wants to play SM or SM adjacent faction. The 30k rules are better IMO but it doesn't matter if nobody else in your area plays the game.

Very fair. I ignored it for a long time because no xenos. I'd also add that, at least for melee lists, it's almost not feasible unless you have a printer.

I'd like to qualify the "more complex", however. Certainly there's more fiddly equipment rules, but there are no wombo combo gotcha cards. Games are actually battles, where units behave more or less the same, just with an edge in some aspect like Initiative or Weapon Skill, and games are not races on who can fire off 3 abilities concurrently to get 60 attacks with mortal wounds on 4+ or whatever first.

I actually like how the armies, while broadly similar, fight differently. You have far fewer "I have this so I win" things and you have to actually try to fight it out and find the edge you can find to win

the Zone Mortalis version is quite good too

Where I play we can usually do 3k in 2-3 hours even running to last turn , 4k 3-3.5 hours. That’s fast.

Complaining that players don’t want marine armies in Heresy is like buying Age of Sigmar and complaining that most units don’t have guns.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Complaining that players don’t want marine armies in Heresy is like buying Age of Sigmar and complaining that most units don’t have guns.

That's a little unfair. The current discussion stems from us inviting folks disappointed with 40k to play Heresy, and some responding with things like "thanks but I'm not interested in a game where I can't play Orks" for example, which is a perfectly legitimate stance. I don't think anybody just came here to complain about too many Marines unprovoked.

Yeah, most 3k games are completed(5/6 turns) before 40k games are in turn 3(if not Iverson due to tabling)

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Where I play we can usually do 3k in 2-3 hours even running to last turn , 4k 3-3.5 hours. That’s fast.

Complaining that players don’t want marine armies in Heresy is like buying Age of Sigmar and complaining that most units don’t have guns.

It is really surprisingly fast, despite supposedly being full of mechanics that slow down the game like "templates and the inevitable spreading out" or armor value.
You can easily do a 1 k game in 1.5 hours and go for a coffee.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Complaining that players don’t want marine armies in Heresy is like buying Age of Sigmar and complaining that most units don’t have guns.

That's a little unfair. The current discussion stems from us inviting folks disappointed with 40k to play Heresy, and some responding with things like "thanks but I'm not interested in a game where I can't play Orks" for example, which is a perfectly legitimate stance. I don't think anybody just came here to complain about too many Marines unprovoked.

I rekon there will be an exodus of veteran CSM players into 30k, after the joke of a legending. But for xenos i honestly think some will bite through the 10th edition whilest others will leave or find oldhammer groups.

It's a shame though that those have no option for a xeno list. Even if it were just an diy type of list like militia.

You could always take your armybook from the 7 edition to play orks or other xenos.

 skeleton wrote:
You could always take your armybook from the 7 edition to play orks or other xenos.

As has been proposed, but whilest that may work decently well with orks... Eldar or tau would probably get to the point of the break down in the system easily...

The Not Warhammer 40,000 Preview Drops on the 1st of July - WarCom

Includes HH!

beast_gts wrote:
The Not Warhammer 40,000 Preview Drops on the 1st of July - WarCom

Includes HH!

Spoiler:

Probably they will show new plastic Knight.

I don't even know what to expect. I certainly hope they don't show the plastic Cerastus again. We've already seem that.

I'd like to see any of the following...
Plastic Xiphon
Plastic MkII
A build it yourself praetor/centurion a-la the old space marine commander kit.
Plastic Fellblade

My guess is they'll just show us stuff off the roadmap, confirming the Autumn releases:

There's still some missing legion praetors.

 Snrub wrote:
I don't even know what to expect. I certainly hope they don't show the plastic Cerastus again. We've already seem that.

There's a variant as well which had the weapons leaked, IIRC.

I'd like to see any of the following...
Plastic Xiphon
Plastic MkII
A build it yourself praetor/centurion a-la the old space marine commander kit.
Plastic Fellblade

I'd like to see a genuine dedication to a non-Marine faction. Now would be a great time to throw out an Imperial Army kit, given that the Guard still have the Infantry Squad unit entry...which none of the named Regiment boxes can technically build, as they do not include a heavy weapons team.

Also a plastic Rapier would be aces.

Sadly I think the plastic Fellblade ship sailed when they re-tooled the resin one for the modern plastic weapons. I'd be very happy to be wrong however.

I have a feeling it will be the rest of the Cerastus variants, particularly as we have already seen a leaked sprue of another one. They may show the Assault Squad but it looked at such an early stage at Fest there may not be much more to see.

At a guess it will many be the non Lancer Summer stuff and the Autumn road map releases to stick to the current tradition (bar TOW) of showing stuff for 3 odd months in the future. I doubt we will see anything of the mystery army release.

I expect more details on the items indicated for Autumn's roadmap - New Lords of War (Knight variants), plastic Deredeo, New armour mark (that MkII / MkIII we were shown an image of), and one of the Primarchs resculpted.

I'm actually looking forward to the new armour mark the most.. Should also sell off my resin Deredeos I guess, before nobody wants them anymore. I don't mind resin per se, but looking at the recent plastic dreadnought redesigns, the new plastic kit will have superior posability over the resin model no doubt, and IMHO when it comes to dreads, posability is key for not making the models look derp

Ah yes, and some more drip feed regarding Legiones Astartes

It's going to be stuff we already have seen teasers for, nothing else.
Of course I'm sure by the end of the HH segment it'll be a "dead" game again.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
At a guess it will many be the non Lancer Summer stuff and the Autumn road map releases to stick to the current tradition (bar TOW) of showing stuff for 3 odd months in the future. I doubt we will see anything of the mystery army release.

Most likely this. The resin stuff for summer, some more pictures of the Lancer and its weapon options, plus maybe some teases at the Autumn stuff (Primarch?).

The Winter releases - "mystery army" and all that - are way too far off for anything substential already.

 Darnok wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
At a guess it will many be the non Lancer Summer stuff and the Autumn road map releases to stick to the current tradition (bar TOW) of showing stuff for 3 odd months in the future. I doubt we will see anything of the mystery army release.

Most likely this. The resin stuff for summer, some more pictures of the Lancer and its weapon options, plus maybe some teases at the Autumn stuff (Primarch?).

The Winter releases - "mystery army" and all that - are way too far off for anything substential already.

I have a strong feeling that this preview is just the second half of what we could have seen at Warhammerfest in a normal year, which they deliberately held back to have something for the non-40k people immediately after their 8+ weeks of total 40k dominance

 Darnok wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
At a guess it will many be the non Lancer Summer stuff and the Autumn road map releases to stick to the current tradition (bar TOW) of showing stuff for 3 odd months in the future. I doubt we will see anything of the mystery army release.

The Winter releases - "mystery army" and all that - are way too far off for anything substential already.

If Custodes get some nice plastic kits as the "Mystery Army" that would have them ready for when the 40K Custodes Codex comes out in Spring.

Why would it be anything else other than what's on the roadmap, that's why there's a roadmap.

Some reveal of the armour mark update would be nice so 3d sculptors can tweak their copies.

I think we can speculate a lot about upcoming HH reveals with the new Epic models teased:

*command squad may only have four models since it also shows the sword and volkite praetor. There's an apothecary and a standard. Not surprising.

*the melee weapon upgrade has swords, axes, charnable sabres, etc. You can see one of the assault squads armored with them

*the mystery army they'll releasing may be the solar auxillia. They're the other army in the Epic boxset and are based off the FW units, except there's also new walkers

 GaroRobe wrote:
I think we can speculate a lot about upcoming HH reveals with the new Epic models teased:

*command squad may only have four models since it also shows the sword and volkite praetor. There's an apothecary and a standard. Not surprising.

Or it will have parts to make your own Praetor/Consul. Could also be a Champion option.


The Plasma Sicaran is different from the FW resin version. Potentially hint of a plastic kit, or just new upgrade set for the plastic hull?