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have found with some of the stuff I had that you could generally tell the recasts as the quality was higher and less warping

mostly just looked like they hadn't been yanked from the mould too quickly

FW stuff defects I've had are invariably warped parts that have not been supported right as it cured

 Gert wrote:
I feel like people are stuck in the past with FW. There's this enduring idea that FW models are rubbish because they're resin when the resin from FW's early days isn't the same resin being used now.

Funnily enough, as mainline GW models have gotten better in quality so have FW ones.

People only complain about the pricing because they have this idea in their heads that FW models will definitely have defects and I can count on one hand the number of defective FW models my entire gaming group has received over the last decade.

I honestly believe that what people are seeing the most these days aren't genuine FW products but recasts.

I challenge your point about price complaints.

I don't think you have to have any particular opinion on casting quality to take exception to prices like 41€ or 50€ respectively for the latest two Imperial Fist Terminator characters. That's already silly GW prices as a base with Forge World tax on top and made up currency conversion thrown in for good measure. Might be easier to justify if you're in the UK and at least escape one of those things, but for me Forge World resin means 99% of the time I won't give the miniature the time of day before I even start to think about matters like shipping, stock issues or material quality.

 Geifer wrote:

 Gert wrote:
I feel like people are stuck in the past with FW. There's this enduring idea that FW models are rubbish because they're resin when the resin from FW's early days isn't the same resin being used now.

Funnily enough, as mainline GW models have gotten better in quality so have FW ones.

People only complain about the pricing because they have this idea in their heads that FW models will definitely have defects and I can count on one hand the number of defective FW models my entire gaming group has received over the last decade.

I honestly believe that what people are seeing the most these days aren't genuine FW products but recasts.

I challenge your point about price complaints.

I don't think you have to have any particular opinion on casting quality to take exception to prices like 41€ or 50€ respectively for the latest two Imperial Fist Terminator characters. That's already silly GW prices as a base with Forge World tax on top and made up currency conversion thrown in for good measure. Might be easier to justify if you're in the UK and at least escape one of those things, but for me Forge World resin means 99% of the time I won't give the miniature the time of day before I even start to think about matters like shipping, stock issues or material quality.

Nope, can confirm they seem pricey here too, albeit the gap between the FW price and a GW plastic terminator captain might be smaller maybe?

I don’t buy recast, if I want it I buy official even if second hand.

My worst one was direct from forgeworld, so can’t be recast. But I don’t have an issue working with resin minis, and even prefer it as a material.
I more just disappointed when I get a forge world mini and it was $20 more than a competition mini and at no point did they use a $1-2 to check if it was good enough.

Like missing a foot is something I expect to be seen ahead of boxing honestly for a single mini >.< why do mine always miss feet.

Dont know why i would have a arvus lighter transport.

Agreed that a lot of the hate towards FW resin comes from people who have either unknowingly purchased recasts on the second hand market (of which there are many), people who haven't purchased directly from FW in a decade or more (back when their casting could often be a bit iffy), or younger hobbyists who simply aren't used to working with resin.

Then you get the people who simply parrot what they hear other people saying.

These days, Forge World resin is both good quality and usually cast well.

It's hard to defend them on pricing though, especially in recent times.


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 skeleton wrote:
Dont know why i would have a arvus lighter transport.

Because you like the model?

I don't understand people who buy expensive models because of rules.

Edit: RE FW pricing, the Arvus lighter is £85, or approx 2.5 Imperial Fist Praetors. The individual HQ minis are way overpriced

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Agreed that a lot of the hate towards FW resin comes from people who have either unknowingly purchased recasts on the second hand market (of which there are many), people who haven't purchased directly from FW in a decade or more (back when their casting could often be a bit iffy), or younger hobbyists who simply aren't used to working with resin.

Then you get the people who simply parrot what they hear other people saying.

These days, Forge World resin is both good quality and usually cast well.

It's hard to defend them on pricing though, especially in recent times.

Last year i ordered a malcador.

Before that some years , i have ordered both R&H command and stubber teams, aswell as a decimator.

No. For the price they demand and the quality deliverd directly from FW. No, The stubbers to this day are still bent, the command squad and assault upgrade kit had the optional chaos star completly fethed, the autogun on the command squad had a broken muzzle, the malcador main body and i wanna say right side with tracks are horrendously bent, the Sponson also were fubar. Nvm that i still had to saw off the mold block on a 160 $ model, sans tarrifs.

And don't get me started on my decimators shoulder just don't.

Meanwhile i also ordered significantly from Anvil industry and kromlech. No bent parts. Clean for cheaper.

Meanwhile in a distance of 7 years i have not seen any quality increase in FW resin and casting justifying the price, which is one of the main reasons why i don't own lerna terminators for my 30k force despite loving their looks.

The Renegade and Heretics kits are not recent. At all.

RE the Malcador, large resin parts will be more prone to warping than smaller parts are. It's very easy to fix them with the hot water/cold water trick.

You haven't described the Decimator problem in any detail so I can't comment

yes, FW resin improved over time, yes the smaller models are better now than in the past

but also the rest of the market evolved over time and got better
making FW resin models still below average on the market, they have improved but everyone else as well

and what GW sells you for that price is just not acceptable

PS: and for recast, they are easy to spot as the quality is usually better
so it is rather the other way around, if you got good quality FW resin, chance is high you unkowingly purchased a recast

Forge World has gotten tons better in recent years. I have both a Fellblade and a Glaive from the original releases...both came with all kinds of warped parts and tool several hot baths followed by cold showers to sit straight. I have a small host of Vorax and Thallax that are about 90% perfect but had to rework the weapons (every single Photon Thruster was a warped mess).

More recently, the Esoterist Consul and the Vigilator were amazing pieces, with hardly any cleanup needed. The same is true of the new assassins...but damn those are fiddly kits.

I am super happy that the Deredeo is being released in plastic...those old one were just bad. I've got a pair of them, and those missle batteries were ROUGH.

 kodos wrote:
yes, FW resin improved over time, yes the smaller models are better now than in the past

but also the rest of the market evolved over time and got better
making FW resin models still below average on the market, they have improved but everyone else as well

and what GW sells you for that price is just not acceptable

PS: and for recast, they are easy to spot as the quality is usually better
so it is rather the other way around, if you got good quality FW resin, chance is high you unkowingly purchased a recast

LOL, yes, a copy of a copy is "usually" going to be better than the original

Having just bought the lotr diorama, the cast was flawless and the resin was so clean I didn't even bother to wash it. It's built and basecoated waiting in the painting line. Quality was excellent. Price, well that's always up to the individual.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
The Renegade and Heretics kits are not recent. At all.

RE the Malcador, large resin parts will be more prone to warping than smaller parts are. It's very easy to fix them with the hot water/cold water trick.

You haven't described the Decimator problem in any detail so I can't comment

That's my point. Regardless when i bought stuff from FW, the resin quality was always bad. And no a badly cut baseline side you are not fixing up with hot and cold water. Sorry.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
The Renegade and Heretics kits are not recent. At all.

RE the Malcador, large resin parts will be more prone to warping than smaller parts are. It's very easy to fix them with the hot water/cold water trick.

You haven't described the Decimator problem in any detail so I can't comment

That's my point. Regardless when i bought stuff from FW, the resin quality was always bad. And no a badly cut baseline side you are not fixing up with hot and cold water. Sorry.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a dick but I don't understand what you mean by 'a badly cut baseline side'.

A large resin piece that needs to be straightened is not 'bad'...it just needs to be straightened. It's the nature of larger resin components

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
The Renegade and Heretics kits are not recent. At all.

RE the Malcador, large resin parts will be more prone to warping than smaller parts are. It's very easy to fix them with the hot water/cold water trick.

You haven't described the Decimator problem in any detail so I can't comment

That's my point. Regardless when i bought stuff from FW, the resin quality was always bad. And no a badly cut baseline side you are not fixing up with hot and cold water. Sorry.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a dick but I don't understand what you mean by 'a badly cut baseline side'.

A large resin piece that needs to be straightened is not 'bad'...it just needs to be straightened. It's the nature of larger resin components

I think it's in reference to when the mould slips and you get an offset in the product which you either need to partially then resculpt or cut a chunk away to smooth it out?

 Gert wrote:
I honestly believe that what people are seeing the most these days aren't genuine FW products but recasts.

Or we got fed up a decade ago and haven't checked back since. But duly noted that it might now be worth it.

Dudeface wrote:


I think it's in reference to when the mould slips and you get an offset in the product which you either need to partially then resculpt or cut a chunk away to smooth it out?

Oh, okay. Any significant mold slips would need to be returned, sure, but I've not seen one on any of my FW purchases over the (many!) years.

No amount of improvement will have fixed the inherent shortcomings of the material. It's just something one has to accept when committing to a purchase. I won't be getting Fulgrim for this reason alone. That spear will invariably bend out of shape.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I think most people who are going to spend the money on centerpiece resin models are the type to take decent care of them, even while gaming. The ones who just 3D print scanned copies won't really care.

I believe you assume a bit too much.

Plus, with 3d printing you can use a bendable resin.

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 Gert wrote:
I feel like people are stuck in the past with FW. There's this enduring idea that FW models are rubbish because they're resin when the resin from FW's early days isn't the same resin being used now.

Funnily enough, as mainline GW models have gotten better in quality so have FW ones.

People only complain about the pricing because they have this idea in their heads that FW models will definitely have defects and I can count on one hand the number of defective FW models my entire gaming group has received over the last decade.

I honestly believe that what people are seeing the most these days aren't genuine FW products but recasts.

I've had on hand some of the small HH late figures. Other than now having layer lines, I can't say the resin felt any different when handling it.

Plus, the misalingment on the armigers was crazy.

I haven't bought a single FW item that had any serious issues on them. Sure enough, some flash here and there, and perhaps a few air bubbles on some of the details, thin straight pieces that are warped, but those have all been quite easy to correct.

But since I can only speak from my own experiences, YMMV

To me, the biggest issue is, GW owns their IP, and if I can haz a genuine GW product I like the look of, I will never settle for a "clone" or a proxy that is clearly made to represent it but cannot look 100% identical in fear of CND. The prices are absurd for both plastic and resin models by this stage, as long as I feel I can live with the pricetags I will keep on buying. Some people pay silly money for far more boring things (but I'm never buying a 28mil scale FW resinWarlord, thats taking things too far LOL)

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
LOL, yes, a copy of a copy is "usually" going to be better than the original

yeah, this is how bad FW resin actually is
that a 3rd party making a copy if it actually improves the model (mainly because they do all the modelling to correct the issues and than proper casting because a 3rd party cannot sell a bad model)

there is a reason why most HH players by China copies, not just because they are cheaper but also because they are better

Citation needed there big man.

 kodos wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
LOL, yes, a copy of a copy is "usually" going to be better than the original

yeah, this is how bad FW resin actually is
that a 3rd party making a copy if it actually improves the model (mainly because they do all the modelling to correct the issues and than proper casting because a 3rd party cannot sell a bad model)

there is a reason why most HH players by China copies, not just because they are cheaper but also because they are better

Do you actually believe this?

You believe that copies made of copies, usually by Chinese/Russian people working for very low pay, who are doing it purely for money, are better than Forge World originals?

You think that these people "do all the modelling" to make the sculpt better, because (presumably unlike FW), they "cannot sell a bad model"?

You actually believe this?

I remember having this exact same discussion with somebody else on Dakka, they told me that recasters resculpt the models before they cast them "to make the straight parts straighter".

He was just as daft as you

Thanks for giving me a good laugh

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Do you actually believe this?

You believe that copies made of copies, usually by Chinese/Russian people working for very low pay, who are doing it purely for money, are better than Forge World originals?

Doesn't matter who believes what, that is the real life experience of many hobbyists.

As an aside, what do you think the minimum wagers at FW who do the casting work for? just the sheer gratifying joy of imagining how I'm trying to bang the 4 bananas they sent me into a straight Storm Eagle?

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
LOL, yes, a copy of a copy is "usually" going to be better than the original

yeah, this is how bad FW resin actually is
that a 3rd party making a copy if it actually improves the model (mainly because they do all the modelling to correct the issues and than proper casting because a 3rd party cannot sell a bad model)

there is a reason why most HH players by China copies, not just because they are cheaper but also because they are better

Do you actually believe this?

You believe that copies made of copies, usually by Chinese/Russian people working for very low pay, who are doing it purely for money, are better than Forge World originals?

You think that these people "do all the modelling" to make the sculpt better, because (presumably unlike FW), they "cannot sell a bad model"?

You actually believe this?

I remember having this exact same discussion with somebody else on Dakka, they told me that recasters resculpt the models before they cast them "to make the straight parts straighter".

He was just as daft as you

Thanks for giving me a good laugh

I mean I have seen it in person. The worst case was it was just as bad as the FW Original, the average was its better and the best case was it was miles better.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Do you actually believe this?

You believe that copies made of copies, usually by Chinese/Russian people working for very low pay, who are doing it purely for money, are better than Forge World originals?

Doesn't matter who believes what, that is the real life experience of many hobbyists.

As an aside, what do you think the minimum wagers at FW who do the casting work for? just the sheer gratifying joy of imagining how I'm trying to bang the 4 bananas they sent me into a straight Storm Eagle?

The Storm Eagle was the worst kit to produce because of the design, rather than the casting quality. IIRC FW made some improvements to the kit at some point to make it easier to assemble. This isn't really relevant though? If somebody recasting a long, thin part then that same part will still be prone to warping because it's long and thin.

I do believe that someone who works for FW will, most likely, have a stronger attachment to the hobby than the average recaster in China, yeah, although I obviously can't provide any proof of that!

From my FW purchases:
Lotr minis in 28mm are easily on par with the best on the market like ArtelW.

I also got a quite recent DG Contemptor which I'd compare to Kromlech resin. Not perfect, but workable. Little work needs to be done.

I also got a Plague Hulk and Necrosius about... 12 years ago? They're not on that level. Detailing is still far superior to anything plastic can do to this day, but the resin is brittle, there are large mold blocks and there are some miscast areas. Also bending, those resin parts needed a lot of green stuff to fit on the plastic defiler Chassis.

Good to know about the LotR minis, TBH. I hope that newer stuff like that scrumptious bretonnian lady on unicorn is that good.

The price will still most probably make me cough blood, though.

Recaster absolutely can afford to sell bad quality. Their profit comes from cutting all the expenses and selling cheaper than fw ever could without running red.

Price is selling point. Recaster can"t afford to spenm resources resulting inw price increasn.

 Albertorius wrote:
The price will still most probably make me cough blood, though.

I think FW will accept that as payment TBF.